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Miracle77777
04-11-2007, 00:18
What do you think about cultural level in Russia or as you wish, of russian generation? And what foreigners as expats introduce to our art here?

TGP
07-11-2007, 01:14
No answer is an answer....:)

ezik
07-11-2007, 02:09
What do you think about cultural level in Russia or as you wish, of russian generation? And what foreigners as expats introduce to our art here?

I think that the Russian people I know have a cultural education I wish I had ever had. Many are intellectuals by the only thing that creates an intellectual: reading. Russians read everywhere, always.

I think expats, especially in the 90s introduced a sense of commercial creativity, i.e. not just "l'art pour l'art" but a way of making art something marketable. Someone like Masha Tsigall (like her or not) has picked up on that and is being successful, marketing domestic art. The creativity comes from her, but the strategy is expat-ish, i.e. Western.

Foreigners in general contribute to the Moscow art scene on several festivals and premieres. Last week was the premiere of 'Duska', a Dutch/Ukrainian/Russian production of genius director Jos Stelling, just to name an example. Another example is recent Jazz festivals where international artists hook up with locals.

I think that in general the Russian cultural scene is very creative and very open to foreign influences. This at the same time (given the current political winds) gives the scene a charming -though undeserved- underground feel.

Korotky Gennady
07-11-2007, 03:07
I think that the Russian people I know have a cultural education I wish I had ever had. Many are intellectuals by the only thing that creates an intellectual: reading. Russians read everywhere, always.




Yeah ! Thank you ezik... It all just about me. :bong:

I like when you are writing about the russians. :duhhhh:

And i am not only reading but and i'm doning LOL something else everyrwhere...

ezik
07-11-2007, 03:10
Yeah ! Thank you ezik... It all just about me. :bong:

I like when you are writing about the russians. :duhhhh:

And i am not only reading but and i'm doning LOL something else everyrwhere...

Oops. Maybe I was relying on cliches a bit too much? :)

Korotky Gennady
07-11-2007, 03:12
What do you think about cultural level in Russia or as you wish, of russian generation?


Hey russian miracle 777 what do you think about you a kind of education and a sort of cultural level... yourself ?

Rustralian
07-11-2007, 04:41
The cultural level of Russians

I think that Russians have a very good cultural level and that is one of the things that has always been attractive about the Russian people. From my own personal experience, it seems more obvious in Russian ladies than Russian males (even though most of the cutural icons are male). Meeting Russian females (sorry guys but I met more girls than guys) was always something interesting because talking to them was very fun and interesting. People would know about literature and art and could recite name after name of artistic or literary masters off by heart. I recall going to a small gallery in Yaroslavl with a girl and her walking me around and giving a commentary on every piece in the gallery and knowing each artists different styles and periods in time. She then did the same in Moscow walking around the Tetryakov Gallery - mind blowing stuff. Even the fact that most of the girls you would meet had at least one, if not two, higher education qualifications and they were generally well educated was great (except for some of the stuff to do with world wars and the like, Russians there are like the Americans - the dates only start when you entered the war - I had friends who went to Pearl Harbour to be told by the official Military guide that WWII started with the bombing of Pearl Harbour :duhhhh:). Plus the ever present language skills of Russians. :agree:

I remember passing the afternoon with one girl drinking tea (coffee for me) and playing chess - something I can rarely find any person in Australia knows what it is, let alone how to play it :(

I agree with Ezik and reading seems to be one of the great deliverers of culture (and education generally) to the Russians. I used to love to read - I would buy encyclopedia sets about various subjects read them through and then trade them in for something new. These days reading has become almost an historical activity in many Western countries (mostly because people don't know how to read that well any more). But, you go into any Russian apartment and there are books everywhere.

For me though, things are a little different. I come from a country where our idea of culture is a 200 year old building that is mostly in ruins or a poem written in 1895 about a sheep thief (Waltzing Matilda). For most Australians the concept of even understanding cities that are 1000 years old, is far from within their comprehension levels. We don't have any history or any great culture to learn. We have a few writers and poets, but they are generally limited to an Australian audience as they wrote for Australians and the odd artist and opera singer - Dame Nellie Melba. Our culture is certainly unique, but infantile compared to Europe (including Russia).

Russia of course has the benefit of being part of Europe and the European Royal families and its history and heritage is fantastic and full of the very best of art and drama and theatre and everything that is recognised as being cultural.

The Western contribution

I suppose Ezik is correct there, in that the West has delivered know how on how to profit from culture. Whether that is good or bad could be another topic of conversation by itself, but it has happened. The commercialisation of culture has most probably meant that in a more cynical world, where we do more things because we have to do them and not because of the pleasure of just creating something, the ability to be cultural may rest in the ability of someone to pay you to do that, so commercialisation is most probably largely what is keeping culture alive today.

I don't think the West has delivered a great deal more to Russia than that. Most of the culture from Russia is European culture - not particular to just Russia, but comes from Russia's European background and it is certainly not different or abstract compared to what you find in England or other European cities. Possibly the West has exposed Russia to more of the radical ideas of culture from the West - watching dogs die in glass cubicles etc, but if that is any sort of contribution to culture, then Russia does not want that sort of crap.

Things such as different music genres are an exception and they I am sure have added to the general culture of Russia, not that Russians were not aware of them, but the more open exposure to them now must help them to be developed and integrated within Russia's existing cultural famework.

Anyway, enough for one night.

:bedtime:

Len Ganley Stance
08-11-2007, 17:51
The cultural level of Russians

Things such as different music genres are an exception and they I am sure have added to the general culture of Russia, not that Russians were not aware of them, but the more open exposure to them now must help them to be developed and integrated within Russia's existing cultural famework.


Rustalian,

There's one word I can think of that blows that part of your theory out of the water. That word is.............

Smokie

Miracle77777
09-11-2007, 00:51
Hey russian miracle 777 what do you think about you a kind of education and a sort of cultural level... yourself ?


Well, russian Gennady...thanks for question...I expected for it...
But the first thing - I am not entirely Russian...:reindeer:
The second is - I feel myself educated enough to understand How Much I Need to learn more...A Lot...
So, don't be so sarcastic about my question ^-^
But, to be honest, I am working in art sphere, so this theme is very important for me .. I really think that nowadays, art for people is much more a good business than an art itself...
Of course you could objected me with words from O.Wilde "Art is absolutely useless"....but I will not agree with that...
And I appreciate all posts which I can read here - they are giving me "food for brain" - don't know the english eqaul to this russian idiom *-*

Korotky Gennady
09-11-2007, 01:25
But, to be honest, I am working in art sphere, so this theme is very important for me .. I really think that nowadays, art for people is much more a good business than an art itself...

Of course you could objected me with words from O.Wilde "Art is absolutely useless"....but I will not agree with that...

*-*

I agree with you. And i think that it is the real thing. Actually many people do on the field of art in the way you speak... Though i don't think that some art business is bad only becoz it's art business.

I think that it's the question of how an artist, himself ( herself) thinks about his ( her) responsibility for what he ( she) ;) is doing... ain't ?

Miracle77777
12-11-2007, 01:21
I agree with you. And i think that it is the real thing. Actually many people do on the field of art in the way you speak... Though i don't think that some art business is bad only becoz it's art business.

I think that it's the question of how an artist, himself ( herself) thinks about his ( her) responsibility for what he ( she) ;) is doing... ain't ?


Hi.. Maybe you are right...but then very few of artists really value of our attention....But maybe I am too cruel for our Boheme :sunny:
Anyway, if you can see - it is all around - if you do not have money enough or someone really powerful - you simply can't develop in real all what you have in your mind...Ok, I admit that sometimes it doesn't worth it.. but sometimes really good artists(actors, writers, musicians) simply lost somewhere beneath of history, just because people had been brought up on others very primitive and shallow but high-paid "events"... Just look on TV - nowadays I prefer to watch DVD films and news than absorb all the Mud which is in there..:eh:
And look at our modern literature - it is hard to name even 5 modern writers which are really awesome in comparing with past or some other countries!!
Do you agree with me?

Korotky Gennady
12-11-2007, 10:46
Ok, I admit that sometimes it doesn't worth it.. but sometimes really good artists(actors, writers, musicians) simply lost somewhere beneath of history, just because people had been brought up on others very primitive and shallow but high-paid "events"... Just look on TV - nowadays I prefer to watch DVD films and news than absorb all the Mud which is in there..:eh:
And look at our modern literature - it is hard to name even 5 modern writers which are really awesome in comparing with past or some other countries!!
Do you agree with me?

Hello Miracle !

I agree with you... Yeah there is big problem with contemporery art... I even don't want to read the modern writers... And it seems to me that the movies of pass by times were more good.

Really the modern art lives in the state of crisis but I don't think that it's too tragic though... Maybe this state of contemporary art is becoz the modern artists think more about money and their carrear than about something that is connected with art itself. Yes. Maybe it's the main cause of the crisis of contemporary art. :duhhhh:

But really who knows...

Miracle77777
14-11-2007, 00:01
Hello Miracle !

I agree with you... Yeah there is big problem with contemporery art... I even don't want to read the modern writers... And it seems to me that the movies of pass by times were more good.

Really the modern art lives in the state of crisis but I don't think that it's too tragic though... Maybe this state of contemporary art is becoz the modern artists think more about money and their carrear than about something that is connected with art itself. Yes. Maybe it's the main cause of the crisis of contemporary art. :duhhhh:

But really who knows...

Who knows...this is a main question for nowadays...
But indeed - Country - it is voice of citizens and what people choose for themselves(for life, for education, for birth , art e t.c.) - that they get ...
So, I do think - actually we, residents, build our consciencs, and what do we have now - is a result from us...
Anyway, I may be wrong - on ~40 % :bash:

That's why it is so interesting for me what foreigners bring to our life and in what proportion - now I mean not just culture but politic and mentalitet too....
:bedtime: