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TolkoRaz
15-10-2012, 19:12
its 34 degrees! :p

robertmf
15-10-2012, 19:24
its 34 degrees! :p

You're talking C in the Saud ? You have to clarify for us Yanks who still use F and measure in inches & ounces :) For some unknown reason, there is a ..umm.. cultural bias against the metric system in America.

How was the trip ? Did you sneak a bottle of schnapps past customs :question:

Is :drink::drink: available in the hotel :question:

mds45
15-10-2012, 19:25
you in Dubai Tolki?

TolkoRaz
15-10-2012, 19:43
Nope, Riyadh for a week and then off to The Kingdom's Eastern Province, up on the Iranian Border - won't be any beer there either, but I could do with loosing a few Kg! ;)

TolkoRaz
15-10-2012, 19:44
You're talking C in the Saud ? You have to clarify for us Yanks who still use F and measure in inches & ounces :) For some unknown reason, there is a ..umm.. cultural bias against the metric system in America.

How was the trip ? Did you sneak a bottle of schnapps past customs :question:

Is :drink::drink: available in the hotel :question:


Nope, its Haram and not worth the risk of spending a few days(?) in a place I would rather not go! ;)

robertmf
15-10-2012, 19:56
Nope, Riyadh for a week and then off to The Kingdom's Eastern Province, up on the Iranian Border - won't be any beer there either, but I could do with loosing losing a few Kg! ;)

The place sounds uncivilized :devil:

I hope you have doubled your $fee$ :)

Do you have bodyguard(s) and big :ak::ak::ak: and maybe :ak: :question:

Potty
15-10-2012, 20:36
:iloveyou:

TolkoRaz
15-10-2012, 21:02
There'll be no baby elephants either, but I am planning a trip to Tanzania next year (holiday) and shall be taking a safari and then 6 days to climb Kilimanjiro - not bad for an old man! :)

Tony P
15-10-2012, 21:30
I am planning a trip to Tanzania next year (holiday) and shall be taking a safari and then 6 days to climb Kilimanjiro - not bad for an old man! :)
As a young fart I could occasionally, on exceedingly clear days, see both Kilimanjaro and Mt Kenya at the same time from my garden outside Nairobi. I went back there 6 or 7 years ago and was told air pollution has prevented that sight for a number of years.

TolkoRaz
15-10-2012, 21:41
Last time I was in Nairobi, I could not see it! :(

But I saw plenty of other amazing sights! ;)

Ibanez
16-10-2012, 03:03
Nope, Riyadh for a week and then off to The Kingdom's Eastern Province, up on the Iranian Border - won't be any beer there either, but I could do with loosing a few Kg! ;)

Sounds hot!!!

BTW, no direct border between the Kingdom and Iran...gotta go through Kuwait and Iraq first...

robertmf
16-10-2012, 03:14
Sounds hot!!!

BTW, no direct border between the Kingdom and Iran...gotta go through Kuwait and Iraq first...

Borders do not exist for our intrepid TolkoRaz ;)

Ibanez
16-10-2012, 03:20
Aha!! That explains it...

Or a quick swim across the gulf ...
:ak:

robertmf
16-10-2012, 03:35
Last time I was in Nairobi, I could not see it! :(

But I saw plenty of other amazing sights! ;)

Would you care to name 2 amazing sights :question: **challenge**



:)

TolkoRaz
16-10-2012, 08:59
Sounds hot!!!

BTW, no direct border between the Kingdom and Iran...gotta go through Kuwait and Iraq first...

Thanks for that, but the Persian Gulf is viewed as a 'border' - The Eastern Province is predominantly Shia and influenced by Iran which can be easily seen from the Saudi side.

It will be 37 today! :eek: Mind you, I have been in Iraq and Dubai when its been over 50 degrees, so 37 should be a walk in the park! ;)

TolkoRaz
16-10-2012, 08:59
Would you care to name 2 amazing sights :question: **challenge**



:)

Not here, only in Bardakl :p

mds45
16-10-2012, 09:02
Nope, Riyadh for a week and then off to The Kingdom's Eastern Province, up on the Iranian Border - won't be any beer there either, but I could do with loosing a few Kg! ;)

You're a brave man - I so hate Riyadh, it has to be the dullest place on earth unless your staying in one of the 5000 or so princes palaces in which case I understand so much fun can be had.

TolkoRaz
16-10-2012, 09:08
Dubai in February of next year, so I can look forward to what Dubai has to offer - mind you, having lived there, I soon became bored of the lifestyle, but its good for the occasional week or two :)

Potty
25-10-2012, 11:45
Tolik, have you ever been to Uganda?

Jas
25-10-2012, 11:49
Tolik, have you ever been to Uganda?

Yes, he installed Idi Amin and then advised him to kick us Asians all out. That's the fun stuff Tolki done during his youth.

TolkoRaz
25-10-2012, 11:49
Nope, Tanzania and Kenya are the nearest I have been.

Was thinking of going to watch the Gorillas next year in Uganda, but have opted instead for climbing Kilimanjiro from the Tanzanian side :)

I can't wait, but I hope there is wheelchair access! :D

TolkoRaz
25-10-2012, 11:51
Yes, he installed Idi Amin and then advised him to kick us Asians all out.

Idi Amin was trained by the pesky British at their officer's college!

An interesting character - he survived approx 27 known assassination attempts - the last being when a hand grenade bounced off his head and failed to explode! :10310:

Potty
25-10-2012, 11:56
Tolko, when you travel do you deal with people sometimes, or just animals? ))

Potty
25-10-2012, 12:01
By the way how do you manage to travel so much if you are always here? :plane:

TolkoRaz
25-10-2012, 12:05
Tolko, when you travel do you deal with people sometimes, or just animals? ))

Mainly people, but some behave like animals! :(

TolkoRaz
25-10-2012, 12:07
By the way how do you manage to travel so much if you are always here? :plane:

Here on the site? When not on the ground, I work from hotels or from BlackBerry; both of which have internet! ;) Well, in most places - Libya was the last place I went to early this year which did not have internet, but that was to be expected! ;)

Jas
25-10-2012, 12:10
Idi Amin was trained by the pesky British at their officer's college!

An interesting character - he survived approx 27 known assassination attempts - the last being when a hand grenade bounced off his head and failed to explode! :10310:

He ended up in Jeddah on the taxis.

FatAndy
25-10-2012, 12:13
Nope, Tanzania and Kenya are the nearest I have been.

Was thinking of going to watch the Gorillas next year in Uganda, but have opted instead for climbing Kilimanjiro from the Tanzanian side :)

I can't wait, but I hope there is wheelchair access! :D
Tolik, be careful - there are sometimes Ebola fever cases in Uganda... it's a very non-pleasant thing, I should say as military parasitologist/epidemiologist.

TolkoRaz
25-10-2012, 13:17
Tolik, be careful - there are sometimes Ebola fever cases in Uganda... it's a very non-pleasant thing, I should say as military parasitologist/epidemiologist.

Thanks FatAndy - so you were a military parasite? :D

TolkoRaz
25-10-2012, 13:18
He ended up in Jeddah on the taxis.

He lived in a very nice walled villa in Jeddah; I have passed it many times! :)

FatAndy
25-10-2012, 13:18
I will be, by order of Motherland (if any) ;)

Sachinsk
25-10-2012, 13:38
its 34 degrees! :p
You should try and find some Arak. The temperature wouldn't really matter after a few shots ;)

Nobbynumbnuts
25-10-2012, 13:44
Thanks for that, but the Persian Gulf is viewed as a 'border' - The Eastern Province is predominantly Shia and influenced by Iran which can be easily seen from the Saudi side.

It will be 37 today! :eek: Mind you, I have been in Iraq and Dubai when its been over 50 degrees, so 37 should be a walk in the park! ;)

I was at head office in Al Khobar and Ras Tanura-the oil refinery.
Eastern province is doable for a while. Prefer it to Riyadh anyway.

Nobbynumbnuts
25-10-2012, 13:46
You should try and find some Arak. The temperature wouldn't really matter after a few shots ;)

Siddeki (sp) is the local moonshine. Or just Sid as it's known sometimes.
You don't want to get caught with it.

Nobbynumbnuts
25-10-2012, 13:50
He lived in a very nice walled villa in Jeddah; I have passed it many times! :)

I saw it too. Apparently he used to be seen regularly in the restaurants nearby up until his death.

Jas
25-10-2012, 13:51
I was at head office in Al Khobar and Ras Tanura-the oil refinery.
Eastern province is doable for a while. Prefer it to Riyadh anyway.

I went to school in Khobar from age 11 to 18 at the Pakistani International School otherwise knows as the pis. I used to get ferried there in a beat up old orange school bus with blacked out windows stuck wearing a niqab when it was +50. Once inside the school though it was just a fcking riot. We had so much pent up energy from living in the camp- we were pretty much uncontrollable.

Jas
25-10-2012, 13:54
You know guys, 99% of the stuff I do is cos of me background and stuff. If u been to where I went to school and saw up close what that means- then u get it I think. For me- Russia is freedom.

Nobbynumbnuts
25-10-2012, 14:04
I went to school in Khobar from age 11 to 18 at the Pakistani International School otherwise knows as the pis. I used to get ferried there in a beat up old orange school bus with blacked out windows stuck wearing a niqab when it was +50. Once inside the school though it was just a fcking riot. We had so much pent up energy from living in the camp- we were pretty much uncontrollable.

I think i know the PIS. It's in the center a few streets back from the corniche on a small street. I was working for Nimran Hotel back then on Pepsi Street. Just near the Shuttle. The PIS was nearby, i think.
Small world

Jas
25-10-2012, 14:14
I think i know the PIS. It's in the center a few streets back from the corniche on a small street. I was working for Nimran Hotel back then on Pepsi Street. Just near the Shuttle. The PIS was nearby, i think.
Small world

YES YES YES. Dear God, how come u know that? Shuttle was by Silver Tower! Wow. Pepsi street was where we used to buy our abayas- it's all ladies clothes shops and the PIS is 3 streets back moving towards King Fahad Street. It had these sort of sad miserable walls and there was this big sweet shop called Pak Sweet House on the corner. Amazing. So that was me, just one of those veiled small people u wud have seen. Now it was just in the side streets that I got attacked- but a sri lanki house driver came and saved me and the saudi drove off.
Did u go to Rashed Mall by old Dhahran airport? Do u remember Al Shula Mall also 10 mins walk from PIS- but it burned down in 1999- just a few weeks before I left Saudi for good! Nimran also I know cos it's a Pakistani hotel and its on this pokey little street- but if u go down a few mins- turn right, and u come to PIS girls section!

Jas
25-10-2012, 14:39
Quite interesting that the one guy who knows where I grew up and went to school, also got me a job in Kazan! It's cos Nobby gets me background.
Anyhow, PIS just looks like a prison- cos that's just what it is. There are no windows, just ac box units and inside, like in a jail, all u got is the quad, which is where u can at least see the sky.
The place was a madhouse, crowded, dingy, and full of screaming. No one learned much- except if u was in IGCSE class- which I was- though I was lucky cos I got kicked out 3 times cos of me behavior.
When me and Parveen got caught snogging we got sent to the school doctor who swept the whole thing under the carpet on the basis that she herself was queer. She kept us both amply supplied with happy pills so that we were stoned most of the time.

Nobbynumbnuts
25-10-2012, 14:40
YES YES YES. Dear God, how come u know that? Shuttle was by Silver Tower! Wow. Pepsi street was where we used to buy our abayas- it's all ladies clothes shops and the PIS is 3 streets back moving towards King Fahad Street. It had these sort of sad miserable walls and there was this big sweet shop called Pak Sweet House on the corner. Amazing. So that was me, just one of those veiled small people u wud have seen. Now it was just in the side streets that I got attacked- but a sri lanki house driver came and saved me and the saudi drove off.
Did u go to Rashed Mall by old Dhahran airport? Do u remember Al Shula Mall also 10 mins walk from PIS- but it burned down in 1999- just a few weeks before I left Saudi for good! Nimran also I know cos it's a Pakistani hotel and its on this pokey little street- but if u go down a few mins- turn right, and u come to PIS girls section!

I thought that was it. I actually walked past it again when i was in Khobar last Feb. There's a stationary shop nearby. I used to buy paper, pens etc there. I know all those malls and Tammi-Safeway on the cornish.
I was in Khobar when the bomb went off in '96. Killed all those Americans I went to the site of the blast shortly after it happened.

You wouldn't recognize large parts of Khobar now. So much development.

mds45
25-10-2012, 14:42
Quite interesting that the one guy who knows where I grew up and went to school, also got me a job in Kazan! It's cos Nobby gets me background.
Anyhow, PIS just looks like a prison- cos that's just what it is. There are no windows, just ac box units and inside, like in a jail, all u got is the quad, which is where u can at least see the sky.
The place was a madhouse, crowded, dingy, and full of screaming. No one learned much- except if u was in IGCSE class- which I was- though I was lucky cos I got kicked out 3 times cos of me behavior.
When me and Parveen got caught snogging we got sent to the school doctor who swept the whole thing under the carpet on the basis that she herself was queer. She kept us both amply supplied with happy pills so that we were stoned most of the time.

It sounds like you met your partner there and she is aroud 11 years older, was she a teacher?

Jas
25-10-2012, 14:48
I thought that was it. I actually walked past it again when i was in Khobar last Feb. There's a stationary shop nearby. I used to buy paper, pens etc there. I know all those malls and Tammi-Safeway on the cornish.
I was in Khobar when the bomb went off in '96. Killed all those Americans I went to the site of the blast shortly after it happened.

You wouldn't recognize large parts of Khobar now. So much development.

I was there also! I heard the thing go off. U know where it was... u know Subiakhar where the Bengalis live, behind that, there's the road to the Bahrain bridge-but before u get to the bridge there' was like a big municipal housing complex and the place what the Jihadis blew up was right in the middle of that.
Mmm, Tamimi was by Jarir bookshop cos that where I used to get stuff like on Shakespeare for me IGCSE English lit etc. But u know, I never actually went into Tamimi.

TolkoRaz
25-10-2012, 14:48
Siddeki (sp) is the local moonshine. Or just Sid as it's known sometimes.
You don't want to get caught with it.

And Siddek or Saddik is friend in Arabic! ;)

TolkoRaz
25-10-2012, 14:50
I saw it too. Apparently he used to be seen regularly in the restaurants nearby up until his death.

Yes, despite being under 'villa arrest', he was often out and about, and he certainly enjoyed special 'privileges'.

Jas
25-10-2012, 14:50
It sounds like you met your partner there and she is aroud 11 years older, was she a teacher?

No Md. Me first partner was two years older than me, that's Parveen and we was in Saudi Arab together and then the UK- but she got sent to Pakistan in 2004.
Me Russian partner is totally another MD and the only place she's been apart from Kazan is Syftikar.
I will never ever ever however forget Parveen.

TolkoRaz
25-10-2012, 14:55
I thought that was it. I actually walked past it again when i was in Khobar last Feb. There's a stationary shop nearby. I used to buy paper, pens etc there. I know all those malls and Tammi-Safeway on the cornish.
I was in Khobar when the bomb went off in '96. Killed all those Americans I went to the site of the blast shortly after it happened.

You wouldn't recognize large parts of Khobar now. So much development.

19 US Air Force personnel killed, nearly 400 injured on 25 June - a very black day. Many more would have been killed if the lorry had not been seen by a vigilant guard; this triggered an evacuation - unfortunately the explosion occurred mid-way through the Evac!

mds45
25-10-2012, 14:56
No Md. Me first partner was two years older than me, that's Parveen and we was in Saudi Arab together and then the UK- but she got sent to Pakistan in 2004.
Me Russian partner is totally another MD and the only place she's been apart from Kazan is Syftikar.
I will never ever ever however forget Parveen.

Ahhh all is clear, damn sounded like the start of a good book :) you should forget fiction and write a book based on the facts of your life, of course if you need to add some "hollywood" do but forget Byzantine femenists the market is to small - surprisingly :P but your story might be quite interesting to many!! just sayin :)

Ps give yourself a happy ending and you never know what might happen.

And when they want to make it into a film who should play you?

TolkoRaz
25-10-2012, 14:58
I like 'Happy Endings'! ;)

mds45
25-10-2012, 14:59
I like 'Happy Endings'! ;)

I didn't mean in the porno sense :) or maybe :)

FatAndy
25-10-2012, 15:04
Now it is not ****** but hard erotic ;)

Jas
25-10-2012, 15:08
And when they want to make it into a film who should play you?

Alizee cud play me when I was younger. This is me 10 years ago.... Now I feel more like Alizee's mum- see the video to see what I mean......

Alizee - Moi Lolita - YouTube

Nobbynumbnuts
25-10-2012, 15:10
19 US Air Force personnel killed, nearly 400 injured on 25 June - a very black day. Many more would have been killed if the lorry had not been seen by a vigilant guard; this triggered an evacuation - unfortunately the explosion occurred mid-way through the Evac!

That's right. Happened in the evening. I was just having my dinner in my room in the hotel. Huge explosion only a mile or so away. The building shook. I looked out the window and people were starting to come out on to the streets. I went up onto the roof and could see the smoke rising up. At first we thought it was the airport. The airport used to be in Dharan, now of course it's out past Damam.
I got in the car and drove over in the direction it went off. I got out and followed the crowd. The Saudi police were whipping the Asians with sticks to keep them back. Somehow they just let me through! It was dark and i could see the huge crater where the tanker exploded. I could also make out the front of the building having been ripped off. I had no idea the scale of the deaths though.
The windows in many buildings downtown Khobar we blown out and remained so for quite awhile.

Jas
25-10-2012, 15:15
There's a couple of things about this video...

1) Why is a nightclub open in the afternoon?

2) Why does the guy at 3.17 look like Putin?

3) How old is Lolita's mum- cos that's what I DREAD becoming one day?

Jas
25-10-2012, 15:21
That's right. Happened in the evening. I was just having my dinner in my room in the hotel. Huge explosion only a mile or so away. The building shook. I looked out the window and people were starting to come out on to the streets. I went up onto the roof and could see the smoke rising up. At first we thought it was the airport. The airport used to be in Dharan, now of course it's out past Damam.
I got in the car and drove over in the direction it went off. I got out and followed the crowd. The Saudi police were whipping the Asians with sticks to keep them back. Somehow they just let me through! It was dark and i could see the huge crater where the tanker exploded. I could also make out the front of the building having been ripped off. I had no idea the scale of the deaths though.
The windows in many buildings downtown Khobar we blown out and remained so for quite awhile.

Wow. I remember I was doing me school homework and there was this percussion sound that whistled over the house but I had no idea what it was. But I jumped. First I knew it was something there was shouting in the street below in Urdu and guys was running about all excited- some telling a plane had crashed in Aziziziyyah, some telling it was the water purification plant in Aziziyah had exploded. Then people was going to the roofs to see the smoke. Next there was sirens and a helicopter also. But it was hours until people really knew what had happened cos it wasn't even obvious it was against Americans even at the start.

Nobbynumbnuts
25-10-2012, 15:23
I was there also! I heard the thing go off. U know where it was... u know Subiakhar where the Bengalis live, behind that, there's the road to the Bahrain bridge-but before u get to the bridge there' was like a big municipal housing complex and the place what the Jihadis blew up was right in the middle of that.
Mmm, Tamimi was by Jarir bookshop cos that where I used to get stuff like on Shakespeare for me IGCSE English lit etc. But u know, I never actually went into Tamimi.

The building the bomb went off in front of is part of Khobar Towers. A series of large government apartment buildings. All the cities in Saudi had them. They were originally built as government housing for Saudis. The Saudis wouldn't live in them though so they remained empty for years. All of them, right across the Kingdom!!
When the American military increased it's presence in Saudi in the 90's they put their people in their as they were standing empty.

Jas
25-10-2012, 15:29
The building the bomb went off in front of is part of Khobar Towers. A series of large government apartment buildings. All the cities in Saudi had them. They were originally built as government housing for Saudis. The Saudis wouldn't live in them though so they remained empty for years. All of them, right across the Kingdom!!
When the American military increased it's presence in Saudi in the 90's they put their people in their as they were standing empty.


Ok, but it just looks like housing blocks, like it was sort of a dump- but good in the sense that Saudi didn't really have that sort of accomodation. U know why Saudis wudn't live in them I reckon? Cos the possibility neighbors wud look in thru windows. As Pakistanis even, I know how hyper dad used to be about making sure we was living in total purdah- we had carpets nailed to the windows cos if u didn't- u cud easy get a bad rep as a family. Sick.

Nobbynumbnuts
25-10-2012, 15:40
Ok, but it just looks like housing blocks, like it was sort of a dump- but good in the sense that Saudi didn't really have that sort of accomodation. U know why Saudis wudn't live in them I reckon? Cos the possibility neighbors wud look in thru windows. As Pakistanis even, I know how hyper dad used to be about making sure we was living in total purdah- we had carpets nailed to the windows cos if u didn't- u cud easy get a bad rep as a family. Sick.

I think you're right about that. Most saudis are bedou. They used to have a nomadic life in the dessert. An apartment block must look like a prison to them.
There were rumors that those building were put up just to line the pockets of influential Saudis. Not a lot of people realize but Saudi Arabia is one of the most corrupt countries around.

mds45
25-10-2012, 15:43
I think you're right about that. Most saudis are bedou. They used to have a nomadic life in the dessert. An apartment block must look like a prison to them.
There were rumors that those building were put up just to line the pockets of influential Saudis. Not a lot of people realize but Saudi Arabia is one of the most corrupt countries around.

Muslims are corrupt - I'm shocked - what would Allah say?

Nobbynumbnuts
25-10-2012, 15:48
Muslims are corrupt - I'm shocked - what would Allah say?

Actually, that's not what i'm saying.
Just saying i know Saudi Arabia is corrupt and i believe it's because there's so much money to be made there. Comes down to greed-people never have enough

mds45
25-10-2012, 16:01
Actually, that's not what i'm saying.
Just saying i know Saudi Arabia is corrupt and i believe it's because there's so much money to be made there. Comes down to greed-people never have enough

OK so it's the pesky foreigners and the poor Saudies are being ripped off :) Nobby you've worked there - you know the truth !

The rulesr indulge in everything fun and illegal and the general population are fed the wahabi diet as a form of population control - just my opinion.

TolkoRaz
25-10-2012, 16:17
Not a lot of people realize but Saudi Arabia is one of the most corrupt countries around.

http://www.transparency.org/country#SAU

TolkoRaz
25-10-2012, 16:19
Labbaik Allahumma Labbaik is all I can hear at the moment!

Nobbynumbnuts
25-10-2012, 16:26
OK so it's the pesky foreigners and the poor Saudies are being ripped off :) Nobby you've worked there - you know the truth !

The rulesr indulge in everything fun and illegal and the general population are fed the wahabi diet as a form of population control - just my opinion.

I agree with everything you have said there. Especially because you didn't generalise.......all Muslims!

They say the old King, King Fahd was a drug addict. Wouldn't surprise me.
They also say plane loads of hookers were constantly flying in to Riyadh from around the world. They arrive at the Royal Terminal, separate from the main airport and for the sole use of the royals and taken directly to the palaces.

What do you reckon? ;)

Tony P
25-10-2012, 16:38
They say the old King, King Fahd was a drug addict. Wouldn't surprise me.
They also say plane loads of hookers were constantly flying in to Riyadh from around the world.
And by the limo load from The Churchill, Portman Square to Kenstead Hall, his London pad in The Bishops Avenue, Hampstead.

We originally supplied the carpets back in the 70/80s and were regularly called to get them cleaned following visits.
Our contractors thought the stains were mostly various bodily fluids and discharges.

mds45
25-10-2012, 16:43
I agree with everything you have said there. Especially because you didn't generalise.......all Muslims!

They say the old King, King Fahd was a drug addict. Wouldn't surprise me.
They also say plane loads of hookers were constantly flying in to Riyadh from around the world. They arrive at the Royal Terminal, separate from the main airport and for the sole use of the royals and taken directly to the palaces.

What do you reckon? ;)

I've heard so many worse stories than that and seen it too. Just last year or maybe 2010 a Saudi ( prince I think ) was arrested in London for beating his male slave to death in a sado masachistic sex game, another one was the story of how two girls vanished in Saudi followig a "meeting "with some princes - happens more than you think apparently, and I haven't even got to drugs yet.