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RichardB
01-10-2012, 02:38
Say goodbye to half the internet when this becomes law...


http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/working-group-supports-closing-entire-websites/468992.html

Lost in moscow
01-10-2012, 04:20
Will never happen, or VK, facebook, youtube will be first on the list.

antfidel
01-10-2012, 15:37
Thanks a lot rusmeister, you just single handily blocked expat.ru.

martpark
01-10-2012, 15:55
There was a story a while back in the MT about VVP wanting to be more like China. The internet censorship was thought to be one of the goals. Stops them foreigners.

Russian Lad
01-10-2012, 19:47
I will join violent protests if this happens. Never went out into the street to protest, but it will be the time... Meanwhile, Molotov cocktail making procedures are rather handy...

Remington
01-10-2012, 20:02
I guess many torrent and download sites will be blacklisted under this new law.

robertmf
01-10-2012, 21:05
Say goodbye to half the internet when this becomes law...

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/working-group-supports-closing-entire-websites/468992.html

If I am reading the article correctly, the proposed law seems specific towards child porn & associated sites like trafficking in children.

ezik
01-10-2012, 21:24
This is of course a matter of working out the implementation details of a law that is de facto already in place. Blocking a whole site is much easier than muddling through all those individual inflammatory webpages. Also, in order to block certain content, the only way to do it is to block a whole site: most content-driven sites automatically generate webpages, to block each individually generated piece of web-content is simply practically impossible.

It's remarkable, though, that this practical issue is being looked at so late. But then, Facebook's mr Zuckerberg was having a chat with the Prime Minister Medvedev today, maybe some tips were exchanged. ;)

From our side, us all complying to the forum rules should largely work. And we all have some responsibility there.

Apart from that, maybe we'll need some parts, e.g. Bardak, to be really members only, and mark the adult areas more explicitly as being 18+, etc. Common sense and some legal advice will go a long way. :)

ezik
01-10-2012, 21:27
Also "extremist material" is in focus. E.g. "The Innocence Of Muslims" film has been marked as extremist, so that's something that can be risky to have on your site.



If I am reading the article correctly, the proposed law seems specific towards child porn & associated sites like trafficking in children.

robertmf
01-10-2012, 21:48
Also "extremist material" is in focus. E.g. "The Innocence Of Muslims" film has been marked as extremist, so that's something that can be risky to have on your site.

Not risky on "my site" - the servers are in North Carolina and Texas :rofl:

:evilgrin:

TolkoRaz
01-10-2012, 22:09
I will join violent protests if this happens. Never went out into the street to protest, but it will be the time... Meanwhile, Molotov cocktail making procedures are rather handy...

Wow, imagine it, Internet Bride sites closed down! :eek: The ladies would take to the streets in despair and in their thousands - I wouldn't want to mess with them! :D

Russian Lad
01-10-2012, 22:19
Wow, imagine it, Internet Bride sites closed down! The ladies would take to the streets in despair and in their thousands - I wouldn't want to mess with them!

That's exactly what I am saying! Femen and those violent pussies will seem like an innocent interlude then! :)

ezik
01-10-2012, 22:22
You would love to mess with them, Tolko. Just admit it. :D


Wow, imagine it, Internet Bride sites closed down! :eek: The ladies would take to the streets in despair and in their thousands - I wouldn't want to mess with them! :D

Russian Lad
01-10-2012, 22:37
Not risky on "my site" - the servers are in North Carolina and Texas

That's where you are deeply mistaken - they still can be blocked, even false IPs will not help - nothing these days. It is easier than you may think... Peace of cake. Or you think youtube/wiki servers are located in Moscow? Why do you think they are worried?

ezik
01-10-2012, 23:04
We´re hosted by a US Company (not funded, LOL), but when it comes to complying with rules, the physical location of the business and the people running it is far more important.

Sites outside Russia and not run by people residing on Russian territory could be very easily blocked. Just adding an IP address to the blocked list, nothing technical, any clerk can do it.

False IPs? We dealt with false IPs and we block them pretty effectively with a tool that cost just a few dollars. And I can imagine the Russian authorities having a budget that is slightly bigger than ours. ;)

For me, it's all not too shocking and dramatic. Comply with local rules if you want the site to exist, and use and explore the room you have within that framework. But it has been like that for years.

TolkoRaz
01-10-2012, 23:06
You would love to mess with them, Tolko. Just admit it. :D

Could be fun, but only if equipped with Kaska i Bronezhilet! :D

Russian Lad
01-10-2012, 23:21
False IPs? We dealt with false IPs and we block them pretty effectively with a tool that cost just a few dollars. And I can imagine the Russian authorities having a budget that is slightly bigger than ours.

That's exactly what I am saying.:) Some experts with special knowledge will find a way I think, but it will be largely blocked to common users, if such a decision is taken.


Could be fun, but only if equipped with Kaska i Bronezhilet!

How about a Viagra instead?:))

RichardB
02-10-2012, 00:32
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mrzuzzo
02-10-2012, 00:40
Looks like expat.ru will be blacklisted because of the extremist opinions of some people on this site!

TolkoRaz
02-10-2012, 00:56
Surely using the word 'blacklist' is very politically incorrect in today's mad, mad World?

ezik
02-10-2012, 09:50
Looks like expat.ru will be blacklisted because of the extremist opinions of some people on this site!

Care to give an example or two?

PeteD
02-10-2012, 10:29
Care to give an example or two?

I have a very extreme opinion about men in fishnet stockings..... does this count?

mrzuzzo
02-10-2012, 12:14
Care to give an example or two?

Just look around on the forum, anything religious where someone says there is no god, or it's just a fairy tale, or says that islam doesn't fit in with the modern world.

This can be interpreted as inciting religious hatred.

Once again an example of how religion is limiting our freedoms.. and how normal people have to suffer because of the will of a few religious/political/business fanatics at the top.

Shooters
02-10-2012, 14:34
Looks like expat.ru will be blacklisted because of the extremist opinions of some people on this site!

They have been warned... And some progress has been done. Will it be enough? That is the question.

But don't worry, "the other site" will be blocked faster ))))

Remington
02-10-2012, 16:26
But don't worry, "the other site" will be blocked faster ))))

It that some kind of a threat?

ezik
02-10-2012, 16:48
No. It is true that some warnings have come our, or, rather my way a while ago. And, of course, the Mod team is aware of this. Further details are not suitable for sharing publicly.


It that some kind of a threat?

robertmf
02-10-2012, 17:09
No. It is true that some warnings have come our, or, rather my way a while ago. And, of course, the Mod team is aware of this. Further details are not suitable for sharing publicly.

This is The Russia I know and luv :AngelPray:

Shooters
02-10-2012, 18:54
It that some kind of a threat?

hooo what are yu thinking!! Threat? I am just delivering an information :) And it will happen only what must happen, nothing more, don't worry. BTW I am speaking about "the other site", not about expat.ru.

Russian Lad
02-10-2012, 19:42
No. It is true that some warnings have come our, or, rather my way a while ago. And, of course, the Mod team is aware of this. Further details are not suitable for sharing publicly.

Why not? The public are eager to know more.

ezik
02-10-2012, 19:50
Simply because it was a message aimed at my person, with personal details, etc.


Why not? The public are eager to know more.

ezik
02-10-2012, 19:52
By the way, here is an unofficial translation of the law in English, by the European Commission:
http://www.venice.coe.int/docs/2012/CDL-REF(2012)012-e.pdf

RichardB
14-10-2012, 02:26
By the way, here is an unofficial translation of the law in English, by the European Commission:
http://www.venice.coe.int/docs/2012/CDL-REF(2012)012-e.pdf


Bloody hell, we're ALL in trouble. That doesn't make good reading at all.

Quick, ban Me, Jas, scd, Tony P, Tolko, RubyRussia..... hell, it would be quicker to ban us all and save the site! :D :p

robertmf
14-10-2012, 02:53
Quick, ban Me, Jas, scd, Tony P, Tolko, RubyRussia..... hell, it would be quicker to ban us all and save the site! :D :p

In Russia the ban is quick ... and permanent.

RichardB
14-10-2012, 02:55
In Russia the ban is quick ... and permanent.



Robert, I have a challenge for you: Go for 48 hours without posting any pictures in your replies.

Do you accept? :p

robertmf
14-10-2012, 02:59
Robert, I have a challenge for you: Go for 48 hours without posting any pictures in your replies.

Do you accept? :p

What's the matter with pictures :question: A picture is worth 10^3 words :bong:

... for that matter, why not you post more photos. They add to ambiance ;)

RichardB
14-10-2012, 03:03
What's the matter with pictures :question: A picture is worth 10^3 words :bong:



:D :D :D Nothing is wrong with pictures, even if some people won't understand 10^3

robertmf
14-10-2012, 03:13
:D :D :D Nothing is wrong with pictures, even if some people won't understand 10^3

Okay then e^6.908.