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Jas
27-09-2012, 19:33
Painting or something.... but I can't paint. Or teaching English- but as u know I can't handle that cos I don't have the temperment even. So it's got to be something I (or anyone else) can do.

Gambling on online slot machine sites is the easiest way that I know, but it's somewhat risky, until you win big of course eventually.

It's a dilemma most people face in their lifes: how to make some money quick.
So guys, anyone got any secret formulaes or schemes they can share with us all on how to get fast money? What about online type stuff?

TolkoRaz
27-09-2012, 19:44
I have a secret formula, but it will cost you! :p

MikeyP
27-09-2012, 19:45
Learn a skill which is in demand an get people to pay you to use it. Not quick but definitely the best long term option!!!

Jas
27-09-2012, 19:46
I have a secret formula, but it will cost you! :p

Tolki! I'm serious here. If we share ideas and pool experience, surely we can come up with something!
I just don't want to do anything illegal!

Jas
27-09-2012, 19:48
Learn a skill which is in demand an get people to pay you to use it. Not quick but definitely the best long term option!!!

I just know cooking, restaurant service, and running a market stall.
But what kind of skills do u think people should be learning?

Jas
27-09-2012, 19:50
I was thinking about importing jewelery to Russia, but me partner thinks it's not a very good business.

Remington
27-09-2012, 19:52
Tolki! I'm serious here. If we share ideas and pool experience, surely we can come up with something!
I just don't want to do anything illegal!

Teach beginners English, walk people's dogs, work at restaurants as waitress or work at shops. Of course all paid under the table since you don't have work permit.

I'm not here to stir up problems so you can relax. I had enough after last night. I'll be a good boy... really. :agree:

Jas
27-09-2012, 19:55
I could do fortune telling online. I thought about that.

MashaSashina
27-09-2012, 20:08
Sell something you don't need.

MikeyP
27-09-2012, 20:14
Honestly- Think of a business you can love then ask if it makes money, not the other way around. If you have no passion it will fail.

martpark
27-09-2012, 20:43
Trade up.
Phone to a Porsche

From A Cell Phone to Porsche, The Craigslist Master - YouTube

mrzuzzo
27-09-2012, 20:45
Prostitution

ezik
27-09-2012, 21:03
Funeral business.

I've witnessed quite some funerals, here and elsewhere. It's never a nice event, of course, but I haven't seen them being any more depressive than in Russia.

When in University, I had a part-time job (to pay my way through Uni) on the municipal burial service, that dealt with undertakers, loved-ones, etc, basically to, to put it bluntly, get the deceased buried or cremated ASAP. Taught me a lot about both the sensitivities around the whole proces, AND the gold business undertakers are running.

In Russia, this is not a business yet. In big cities, there is a huge potential for relatively easy-to-perform services and tasks. All aimed at making the mourning process and things afterwards easier for the loved-ones. Start out on middle-class level, improve and work up to upper-class.

This is not a joke. If I'd be without a job and had a few months of hands-free to set it up...

Jas
27-09-2012, 21:04
Sell something you don't need.

That's a good one. But I have very little here with me. Good idea though.

Jas
27-09-2012, 21:06
Funeral business.

I've witnessed quite some funerals, here and elsewhere. It's never a nice event, of course, but I haven't seen them being any more depressive than in Russia.

When in University, I had a part-time job (to pay my way through Uni) on the municipal burial service, that dealt with undertakers, loved-ones, etc, basically to, to put it bluntly, get the deceased buried or cremated ASAP. Taught me a lot about both the sensitivities around the whole proces, AND the gold business undertakers are running.

In Russia, this is not a business yet. In big cities, there is a huge potential for relatively easy-to-perform services and tasks. All aimed at making the mourning process and things afterwards easier for the loved-ones. Start out on middle-class level, improve and work up to upper-class.

This is not a joke. If I'd be without a job and had a few months of hands-free to set it up...


Wow! Ezik, it's sort of macabre though. I cudn't do it. But it's a idea though.

Ezik, in the UK me family used to have a laundry (laundromat) and although it wud cost to set one up here, they're easy to run and maintain. But my partner reckons Russia doesn't need them and people won't use them. Do you think thats true?

Jas
27-09-2012, 21:07
Prostitution

Been there have you? Older guys, when u were young?

scd167
27-09-2012, 21:10
Painting or something.... but I can't paint. Or teaching English- but as u know I can't handle that cos I don't have the temperment even. So it's got to be something I (or anyone else) can do.

Gambling on online slot machine sites is the easiest way that I know, but it's somewhat risky, until you win big of course eventually.

It's a dilemma most people face in their lifes: how to make some money quick.
So guys, anyone got any secret formulaes or schemes they can share with us all on how to get fast money? What about online type stuff?

1. Don't spend all of one's free time surfing the internet, like opening new threads on expat.ru and look for a job.

2. Don't spend what little money one may have at internet cafes surfing the internet.

3. Honestly assess one's skills and abilities, then accept one's lot in life, no matter how depressing it might be.

Not everyone is destined to make lots of money, have fame, or even be happy. One just has to accept their fate. For most, there is no such thing as quick money, there is simply old fashioned hard work and learning to live within one's means.

Jas
27-09-2012, 21:12
Importing gold is a good one if u know who to pass it onto.

ezik
27-09-2012, 21:17
If it's not here, it is business.

A classmate of mine did an internship in the late 90s at Independent Media. Then there was the ruble/dollar crisis and he just hang around for a bit. Noticed that there was no such thing as Call Centers... Long story cut short, you probably have noticed how many call centers are operating in Russia right now. Sold his business 2 or 3 years ago... He is a happy man.

A Russian friend of his, actually, decided to build industrial laundry machines. The big ones. It gold sold a while ago, too, and it was bigger than the call centers!

Laundromat? Great idea! Love it! You'll need an investor to set up the first few, a partner to manage locally and mrZuzzo for the marketing (I'm serious). Russia not needing laundromats? Every country needs laundromats, certainly in big cities.


Wow! Ezik, it's sort of macabre though. I cudn't do it. But it's a idea though.

Ezik, in the UK me family used to have a laundry (laundromat) and although it wud cost to set one up here, they're easy to run and maintain. But my partner reckons Russia doesn't need them and people won't use them. Do you think thats true?

Jas
27-09-2012, 21:17
This stuff turns me on. I love its feel pressed to my face.


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Jas
27-09-2012, 21:22
If it's not here, it is business.

A classmate of mine did an internship in the late 90s at Independent Media. Then there was the ruble/dollar crisis and he just hang around for a bit. Noticed that there was no such thing as Call Centers... Long story cut short, you probably have noticed how many call centers are operating in Russia right now. Sold his business 2 or 3 years ago... He is a happy man.

A Russian friend of his, actually, decided to build industrial laundry machines. The big ones. It gold sold a while ago, too, and it was bigger than the call centers!

Laundromat? Great idea! Love it! You'll need an investor to set up the first few, a partner to manage locally and mrZuzzo for the marketing (I'm serious). Russia not needing laundromats? Every country needs laundromats, certainly in big cities.


Thanks Ezik. My partner is Russian and basically just shuns every business idea I have and doesn't want to risk anything in life. U know call centers is ok and that's something I could easily do cos I can handle clients on a phone for a few minutes. If it was a international center, that would be better for me.

ezik
27-09-2012, 21:30
Call centers are already taken. That market gap has been filled sufficiently, I'd say.

Laundromats, on the other hand...


Thanks Ezik. My partner is Russian and basically just shuns every business idea I have and doesn't want to risk anything in life. U know call centers is ok and that's something I could easily do cos I can handle clients on a phone for a few minutes. If it was a international center, that would be better for me.

Jas
27-09-2012, 21:30
Ezik, here's one and it's worth thinking about.....
Holographic photo booth.
I dunno if u know what I mean. But a couple go into this photo booth and get their photo taken in basically the normal way. But the product is totally different from a normal photo cos what u get is a 3 dimensionals image of the couple inside a crystal cube. It makes a lovely house item and the thing is that it lasts forever. There's a German company that manufactures the booths and photo equipment and you set it up in a shopping mall. The crystals with the holo images are really romantic and each one lasts forever- they never fade- just u and ure loved one preserved forever in this beautiful crystal. Small crystals with holos sell for 60 euro, then 120 euro etc.

C, in every Russian house I was to- people have family photos going back generations. But these hologram images in crystals- it's not here.

Jas
27-09-2012, 21:35
C, Ezik, this is what I mean. It's done with a laser scan then convert to a hologram image inside this lovely crystal.


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ezik
27-09-2012, 21:48
Good one!
Are these holograms produced instantly or delivered later? Delivery is a big issue in Russia, we'll see how eBay is going to tackle this as they enter Russia.
It's high-tec stuff, so you would have to have a few spare cameras and printers and the proper repair service for it. So, in terms of logistics, a bit more risky and potentially complex.
Laundromats can be fixed by many. :) And you don't need to deliver stuff, your customers bring and take their laundry.

robertmf
27-09-2012, 21:50
Call centers are already taken. That market gap has been filled sufficiently, I'd say.

Laundromats, on the other hand...

... are a cash business for tax purposes. Do you know "skim off the top" :question:

Jas
27-09-2012, 21:50
Good one!
Are these holograms produced instantly or delivered later? Delivery is a big issue in Russia, we'll see how eBay is going to tackle this as they enter Russia.
It's high-tec stuff, so you would have to have a few spare cameras and printers and the proper repair service for it. So, in terms of logistics, a bit more risky and potentially complex.
Laundromats can be fixed by many. :) And you don't need to deliver stuff, your customers bring and take their laundry.

It takes 30 minutes to do it. So if u set up ure photo booth in a shopping mall, people do their photo (usually its couples or kids), do their shopping, and voila- their crystal is ready.

Yes, it's 70,000 Euro to set up and I think yes, it's specialist maintenace.
But I feel it wud work in Russia. No one done it yet I don't think.

martpark
27-09-2012, 21:59
Dry cleaning might work but a strict laundromat not likely.

Holograms are popular but they are sold for much cheaper than 60euros but might work in a big city.

TolkoRaz
27-09-2012, 22:02
I would forget trying to market anti-perspirants or deodrants for males in Moscow! ;)

TolkoRaz
27-09-2012, 22:04
On a serious note, getting ahead in the wheel clamping business could be a good start.

Given the crazy parking in Moscow, I see it eventually coming to Moscow along with big fines to secure the release of the clamped vehicle.

Manufacture, supply or fitting could make you loads! :)

TolkoRaz
27-09-2012, 22:09
Opening smoke-free restaurants, cafes, bars or clubs would also be a good money spinner :coffee:

robertmf
27-09-2012, 22:11
On a serious note, getting ahead in the wheel clamping business could be a good start.

Given the crazy parking in Moscow, I see it eventually coming to Moscow along with big fines to secure the release of the clamped vehicle.

Manufacture, supply or fitting could make you loads! :)

Wheel clamp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For a quickie money maker, there is also "the oldest profession" :Loco: This can be expanded into an Interior Designer bizness specializing in bedroom ceilings :mml:

ezik
27-09-2012, 22:25
It would Jas also make "the woman who introduced the wheel clamps". So, body guards should be included on the cost side...


On a serious note, getting ahead in the wheel clamping business could be a good start.

Given the crazy parking in Moscow, I see it eventually coming to Moscow along with big fines to secure the release of the clamped vehicle.

Manufacture, supply or fitting could make you loads! :)

ezik
27-09-2012, 22:27
Pity thing about restaurant business is the enormous competition and roofs, protection, etc.

Not a business to venture in all by yourself...


Opening smoke-free restaurants, cafes, bars or clubs would also be a good money spinner :coffee:

ezik
27-09-2012, 22:34
Would it work where you live, which I believe happens to be Kazan?


It takes 30 minutes to do it. So if u set up ure photo booth in a shopping mall, people do their photo (usually its couples or kids), do their shopping, and voila- their crystal is ready.

Yes, it's 70,000 Euro to set up and I think yes, it's specialist maintenace.
But I feel it wud work in Russia. No one done it yet I don't think.

BabyFirefly
27-09-2012, 22:39
Start a business in something not readily or easily available where you are. And make it as cheap as possible (while still earning enough to live on). Or improve the skills you have and market from them.

I was selling bead-on-a-string type jewelry as a young teen. Sold decently, but cheap. When I got older I took extensive silversmithing and metalsmithing courses and became very successful selling said jewelry (now improved, of course) in my home country. If I had stayed selling the same bead-on-a-string crap, I would've never truly made enough to live on.

TolkoRaz
27-09-2012, 22:51
Pity thing about restaurant business is the enormous competition and roofs, protection, etc.

Not a business to venture in all by yourself...

Its not only restaurants that need 2 types of krisha! ;)

ezik
27-09-2012, 22:58
I think BabyFireFly has given the best advice here, aimed at Jas' situation, practical, down-to-earth and giving a practical example.

mrzuzzo
27-09-2012, 23:27
Actually the title of the thread is misleading.

There is no such thing as easy money, unless you're really lucky or find a sponsor. The best way to earn money is through hard work.

Working hard for your money feels better anyways, or so I like to believe.

TolkoRaz
27-09-2012, 23:39
You are right, I work hard for my money and it works hard for me - mutual respect! :)

But, there are those who can make huge amounts for much less effort! I wish I knew their recipe!

robertmf
27-09-2012, 23:41
You are right, I work hard for my money and it works hard for me - mutual respect! :)

But, there are those who can make huge amounts for much less effort! I wish I knew their recipe!

Delegate (v.) (Just count the money at the end of the day)

Remington
27-09-2012, 23:53
Jas... you said you are very good at cooking, you could create specialized foods that's not sold in Moscow. There are loads of foods that expats are missing here like Mexican Salsa or Chili for example. Most of the foods sold in the local markets are for Russians. I don't find much foreign foods here at the local markets. Stockmann got few but they're not fresh... but no Chili!

You could create something that's fresh, refrigerated and not canned to preserve the taste without using any preservatives. That's something I would like to see rather than going to bar or restaurant spending over 1000 rubles on poorly prepared salsa or sauces.

You can market your food in the Marketplace on this forum and Ezik can vouch for you that your food is safe, very fresh and non-toxic. It's certainly better and safer then opening up your own restaurant.

Don't do the full meal. Just do the salsa, chili, spices, pasta sauce, soup or anything that's not available at local stores for expats. You can fill them in a glass jar and deliver to the customer at their house, metro station or expat gatherings.

Many expats are very busy, lousy cooker, and don't have time prepare and cook their favorite sauce, chili or salsa.

Ezik what do you think?

ezik
27-09-2012, 23:54
A position in which you can properly delegate needs to be built up by yourself first and foremost. You'll still need to coach and lead.

But, yes, if it works, it is a good structure. But hard work is still the basis.


Delegate (v.) (Just count the money at the end of the day)

robertmf
28-09-2012, 00:06
A position in which you can properly delegate needs to be built up by yourself first and foremost. You'll still need to coach and lead.

But, yes, if it works, it is a good structure. But hard work is still the basis.

Best to hire others to do "it", the hard work. That's why capitalization and accounting are so important for a new business|bizness.

Pay others if you:


Don't want to do it
Don't know how to do it
Don't have the time to do it

mrzuzzo
28-09-2012, 00:15
I work in a position where I delegate mostly, and I work longer hours than all my employees.

The CEO of the company works even more.

So delegation of tasks to free up time is more or less a myth in my books.

ezik
28-09-2012, 00:52
To have me voucher for something as the Forum Admin (and not an expert on food, but spending a lot of time in the kitchen) is a bad idea. It wouldn't mean anything. :)

That's why I set up Expat Card: give companies the chance to market their ideas, services and products. Their good quality and a discount in trade for our endorsement. All companies, though, have to voucher for their own quality.

Anyway, the product that Remington describes for Jas would probably fit in the formula of one of our card sponsors. They specialise in fresh and tasty food. They have their vouchering-for-quality system well set-up, a good safeguard, so instead of re-inventing the wheel, they could be the umbrella, in theory, for the set-up that Remington describes. Also, they have a logistics system in place, trucks going into the regions collecting products. Kazan may be within their reach, but I'm not sure.

So, in principle, this is a feasible option.

Jas, I think Remington turns out to be your friend. :)


Jas... you said you are very good at cooking, you could create specialized foods that's not sold in Moscow. There are loads of foods that expats are missing here like Mexican Salsa or Chili for example. Most of the foods sold in the local markets are for Russians. I don't find much foreign foods here at the local markets. Stockmann got few but they're not fresh... but no Chili!

You could create something that's fresh, refrigerated and not canned to preserve the taste without using any preservatives. That's something I would like to see rather than going to bar or restaurant spending over 1000 rubles on poorly prepared salsa or sauces.

You can market your food in the Marketplace on this forum and Ezik can vouch for you that your food is safe, very fresh and non-toxic. It's certainly better and safer then opening up your own restaurant.

Don't do the full meal. Just do the salsa, chili, spices, pasta sauce, soup or anything that's not available at local stores for expats. You can fill them in a glass jar and deliver to the customer at their house, metro station or expat gatherings.

Many expats are very busy, lousy cooker, and don't have time prepare and cook their favorite sauce, chili or salsa.

Ezik what do you think?

Nobbynumbnuts
28-09-2012, 01:58
Call centers are already taken. That market gap has been filled sufficiently, I'd say.

Laundromats, on the other hand...

I noticed that there were no laundromats when i first came to Moscow back in 2000.
I could never understand it, when there are so many students and transient workers, like any big city back home.
Then someone explained to me that Russians would never use public washing machines. They think they're unhygienic.
Cannot say that's true, just what someone, a Russian, told me.
There has to be a good reason for it though.

Of no use to the OP but someone one day will get the franchise for 7 Eleven and clean up in Russia. ;)

Jas
28-09-2012, 10:04
Jas... you said you are very good at cooking, you could create specialized foods that's not sold in Moscow. There are loads of foods that expats are missing here like Mexican Salsa or Chili for example. Most of the foods sold in the local markets are for Russians. I don't find much foreign foods here at the local markets. Stockmann got few but they're not fresh... but no Chili!

You could create something that's fresh, refrigerated and not canned to preserve the taste without using any preservatives. That's something I would like to see rather than going to bar or restaurant spending over 1000 rubles on poorly prepared salsa or sauces.

You can market your food in the Marketplace on this forum and Ezik can vouch for you that your food is safe, very fresh and non-toxic. It's certainly better and safer then opening up your own restaurant.

Don't do the full meal. Just do the salsa, chili, spices, pasta sauce, soup or anything that's not available at local stores for expats. You can fill them in a glass jar and deliver to the customer at their house, metro station or expat gatherings.

Many expats are very busy, lousy cooker, and don't have time prepare and cook their favorite sauce, chili or salsa.

Ezik what do you think?


That's very interesting Rem. I was thinking about preserved Asian food, like Biryani and sold in a pack to be microwaved. That's very popular in the UK. But I never seen Indian food available like that. Canned dhaal is something that wud be really easy for me to do. I cud then sell it to shops where expats go in Moscow. In theory, I know I coud do this sort of stuff even though I wud have to learn canning and preservation techniques- but it wudn't be hard.

Jas
28-09-2012, 10:12
I noticed that there were no laundromats when i first came to Moscow back in 2000.
I could never understand it, when there are so many students and transient workers, like any big city back home.
Then someone explained to me that Russians would never use public washing machines. They think they're unhygienic.
Cannot say that's true, just what someone, a Russian, told me.
There has to be a good reason for it though.

Of no use to the OP but someone one day will get the franchise for 7 Eleven and clean up in Russia. ;)

No it's quite useful Nobby as it explains cultural attitudes to something I feel is quite normal- a laundry.
C, if I cud do dry cleaning, carpets, the whole thing, then it wud be more beneficial. Also, Russians might be ready to spend a few hundred roubles nowadays on laundry services- rather than waste their weekend pressing a suit, or cleaning curtains or carpets. I think many wud always want to do their own washing.. but for others, even that's a chore.
I got no washing machine at home and me partner used to do everything by hand (and hated it). Now I just do the washing, also by hand, but I know how to do it really quickly and get a better result. A laundry is just a follow on idea... which is how I thought of it!

Russians are funny sometimes. Anyone seen how they clean a floor? They just go in with a wet cloth and a bucket. As I keep explaining.... u have to sweep the floor first- then go in with a mop! It drives me nuts the way me partner swabs the floor but then starts moaning there's hair matted in corners of the room. Of course there is.... u got to sweep it first.

Like laundry, I do the flat cleaning as well now.

Nobbynumbnuts
28-09-2012, 10:27
No it's quite useful Nobby as it explains cultural attitudes to something I feel is quite normal- a laundry.
C, if I cud do dry cleaning, carpets, the whole thing, then it wud be more beneficial. Also, Russians might be ready to spend a few hundred roubles nowadays on laundry services- rather than waste their weekend pressing a suit, or cleaning curtains or carpets. I think many wud always want to do their own washing.. but for others, even that's a chore.
I got no washing machine at home and me partner used to do everything by hand (and hated it). Now I just do the washing, also by hand, but I know how to do it really quickly and get a better result. A laundry is just a follow on idea... which is how I thought of it!

Russians are funny sometimes. Anyone seen how they clean a floor? They just go in with a wet cloth and a bucket. As I keep explaining.... u have to sweep the floor first- then go in with a mop! It drives me nuts the way me partner swabs the floor but then starts moaning there's hair matted in corners of the room. Of course there is.... u got to sweep it first.

Like laundry, I do the flat cleaning as well now.

My point was about a public laundromat. You know, where you go in and there are rows and rows of self service, coin operated washing machines. I have never seen one in Russia and was told they would never work because Russians believe it's unhygienic to wash your clothes like that.
Of course, laundry services are all over the place in Russia. I've used them many times.

You're point about Russians never sweeping the floor before moping is spot-on.

sis
28-09-2012, 10:28
I used to think the same, and that the Russians would prefer to wash by hand... but recently near me opened a Laundromat, and it seems to be a very good business.. they have German machines and a woman who puts the stuff in a dryer for you

TolkoRaz
28-09-2012, 10:29
Russians are funny sometimes. Anyone seen how they clean a floor? They just go in with a wet cloth and a bucket. As I keep explaining.... u have to sweep the floor first- then go in with a mop! It drives me nuts the way me partner swabs the floor but then starts moaning there's hair matted in corners of the room. Of course there is.... u got to sweep it first.

And, it helps if they use a clean cloth! ;)

andymackem
28-09-2012, 11:03
I noticed that there were no laundromats when i first came to Moscow back in 2000.
I could never understand it, when there are so many students and transient workers, like any big city back home.
Then someone explained to me that Russians would never use public washing machines. They think they're unhygienic.
Cannot say that's true, just what someone, a Russian, told me.
There has to be a good reason for it though.

Of no use to the OP but someone one day will get the franchise for 7 Eleven and clean up in Russia. ;)

My feeling is that if there was a demand for laundromats, there would be laundromats. It's not like Russia is short of people, or clothes. But for some reason - cultural or otherwise - it hasn't caught on here. So I'd be a bit dubious about making that work.

One other thought, Jas - you're a writer. Can't you get work from any of the English-language (or Russian, if it's strong enough) publications based here? Might be more difficult in Kazan (I don't know that market) but there's plenty in Moscow (including this site, although the pay isn't lavish). Equally, you could try to approach international publications which cover Russia if you have feature ideas for them. It's hard work to start with, of course, and you might find yourself doing some pieces for little tangible reward, but it can snowball into bigger things fairly easily.

Get your name known, and you can start looking at more lucrative translation/ editing work for bigger companies - think airline magazines, international PR / comms, that kind of market. It's highly flexible work - anywhere you have a laptop and a wifi connection, you can get on with it - and writing / editing on demand will probably help with your creative writing as well, since you'll get used to adapting to what other people want / need.

Jas
28-09-2012, 11:23
My feeling is that if there was a demand for laundromats, there would be laundromats. It's not like Russia is short of people, or clothes. But for some reason - cultural or otherwise - it hasn't caught on here. So I'd be a bit dubious about making that work.

One other thought, Jas - you're a writer. Can't you get work from any of the English-language (or Russian, if it's strong enough) publications based here? Might be more difficult in Kazan (I don't know that market) but there's plenty in Moscow (including this site, although the pay isn't lavish). Equally, you could try to approach international publications which cover Russia if you have feature ideas for them. It's hard work to start with, of course, and you might find yourself doing some pieces for little tangible reward, but it can snowball into bigger things fairly easily.

Get your name known, and you can start looking at more lucrative translation/ editing work for bigger companies - think airline magazines, international PR / comms, that kind of market. It's highly flexible work - anywhere you have a laptop and a wifi connection, you can get on with it - and writing / editing on demand will probably help with your creative writing as well, since you'll get used to adapting to what other people want / need.

Andy hi. Some of the guys are telling there are lots of landromats in Russia. Where I am in the provinces, that's not the case. That much I do know.

U mean like a proof reader? It's an interesting idea, but I am really cut out for business.

andymackem
28-09-2012, 11:34
Don't remember seeing a laundromat anywhere in Russia (unless you count laundry services in hotels). Not in the six years I've lived in Moscow (and traveled fairly widely).

Saying that, I've always had a washing machine at home, so I've never really looked for one ... and it's not such an exciting sight that it would stop me in my tracks :)

Setting up a business is a good long-term idea, but I got the impression you needed an income ASAP? I understood that most businesses take a couple of years to reach a break-even level, which might not suit you. But it's not something I've ever looked at seriously: I don't count freelance writing / editing as a business per se, more a sideline to my 'proper job'.

Nobbynumbnuts
28-09-2012, 11:38
I used to think the same, and that the Russians would prefer to wash by hand... but recently near me opened a Laundromat, and it seems to be a very good business.. they have German machines and a woman who puts the stuff in a dryer for you

Interesting, first one i've heard of.
Where is "near me"? :)

Nobbynumbnuts
28-09-2012, 11:56
Jas, can you do Henna tattoo?
I know it's quite artistic and probably takes a while to learn the patterns etc. but i always thought it looked incredible on the hands of Indian women when i was there.
I never really understood why it didn't become more popular in the west along with regular tattoos.

You probably know more about it than me but it can be done on any part of the body, (although in India it's usually the hands and feet) and it's not permanent.
Having someone who's south asian doing it makes it more of an authentic experience.

Come to Thailand sit on the beach and do it and you'll do well! ;)

Businka
28-09-2012, 12:07
Painting or something.... but I can't paint. Or teaching English- but as u know I can't handle that cos I don't have the temperment even. So it's got to be something I (or anyone else) can do.

Gambling on online slot machine sites is the easiest way that I know, but it's somewhat risky, until you win big of course eventually.

It's a dilemma most people face in their lifes: how to make some money quick.
So guys, anyone got any secret formulaes or schemes they can share with us all on how to get fast money? What about online type stuff?

HI Jas! If you're creative, perhaps you could make smth with you hands. There was a post about hand-made jewellery and bijou. I agree - those kind of things sell quite well :)

Jas
28-09-2012, 12:45
Jas, can you do Henna tattoo?
I know it's quite artistic and probably takes a while to learn the patterns etc. but i always thought it looked incredible on the hands of Indian women when i was there.
I never really understood why it didn't become more popular in the west along with regular tattoos.

You probably know more about it than me but it can be done on any part of the body, (although in India it's usually the hands and feet) and it's not permanent.
Having someone who's south asian doing it makes it more of an authentic experience.

Come to Thailand sit on the beach and do it and you'll do well! ;)


Hey, that's brilliant. That's great and in Tatarstan I think people wud go for that. I am just totally impressed by the idea. U know, I cud offer that thru the tanning centers or health clubs. What a brilliant idea. Yes, I can do mehndi and had years of pratice doing it growing up. I can't thank u enough for that idea, really I can't!

Nobbynumbnuts
28-09-2012, 12:49
Hey, that's brilliant. That's great and in Tatarstan I think people wud go for that. I am just totally impressed by the idea. U know, I cud offer that thru the tanning centers or health clubs. What a brilliant idea. Yes, I can do mehndi and had years of pratice doing it growing up. I can't thank u enough for that idea, really I can't!

I wish you the best of luck.
I think girls look great with it on. Much better than regular tattoos.
Do you need special equipment for it, like inks and brushes or will any do? Try and keep it as authentic as possible would be my advice.
Maybe an ad in the local paper or something. You could do home visits. Goos way to make friends too.

MikeyP
28-09-2012, 13:03
Excellent- fits my definition of "a skill which is in demand" perfectly! Good luck.

Inola
28-09-2012, 14:42
Henna tattoo.. Make sure you use pure henna.. Had seen a couple of severe allergies on friends returned from exotic vacations...

Nobbynumbnuts
28-09-2012, 15:43
Henna tattoo.. Make sure you use pure henna.. Had seen a couple of severe allergies on friends returned from exotic vacations...

Yes, just been reading that it's a dye, made from the henna plant.
Apparently there's a powder made from it that's available which is mixed with water to make a the paste. Would be a more convenient way to buy and store it i suppose.

Russian Lad
28-09-2012, 17:02
There are lots of interesting ideas out there, Jas, many will work out if you work hard on them, however, this talk is useless if you don't have a starting capital of at least 50K dollars. Do you have it or just feel like talking?

Nobbynumbnuts
28-09-2012, 17:46
There are lots of interesting ideas out there, Jas, many will work out if you work hard on them, however, this talk is useless if you don't have a starting capital of at least 50K dollars. Do you have it or just feel like talking?

You don't need 50k to start a little business doing henna tattoo. No need for business premises or staff or lots of inventory.
Where's 50k going?
Neither is it a get rich quick scheme.

Russian Lad
28-09-2012, 18:01
You don't need 50k to start a little business doing henna tattoo. No need for business premises or staff or lots of inventory.
Where's 50k going?
Neither is it a get rich quick scheme.

How about finding clients? If you think advertising your product or service doesn't cost big money, think again. Twice. For example, I am in a dating business, one click of a potential client on Google costs me over 1 US dollar. Advertisement is everything these days - you get me enough potential clients, I will be able to sell them ambient air and tap water as life-prolonging must-haves/as soul-saving ingredients, you name it. Literally. Besides, isn't one required to learn certain skills to be able to make quality tattoes, henna or not? One more besides, isn't she asking about get-rich-quick schemes?


What's the Easiest Way to Make Money Fast?

robertmf
28-09-2012, 18:10
... Advertisement is everything these days - you get me enough potential clients, I will be able to sell them air and tap water. Literally.

That's certainly been done before
Big Lie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't know about current Russia, but here tattoo artists, barbers, manicurists, etc., all have to be licensed.


:fridaysign:

Russian Lad
28-09-2012, 18:15
That's certainly been done before

I am not saying I am trying to invent something new here.

robertmf
28-09-2012, 18:33
I am not saying I am trying to invent something new here.

Sure ! Your "I will be able to sell them air and tap water. Literally." reminded me of fizzy drink Snapple and Samuel Adams beer.

Both brands are "marketing creations" in the sense of having no manufacturing ownership. Just advertisement with the product made by "outsourcing" and slapping on a brand label.




:fridaysign:

BabyFirefly
28-09-2012, 18:35
How about finding clients? If you think advertising your product or service doesn't cost big money, think again. Twice. For example, I am in a dating business, one click of a potential client on Google costs me over 1 US dollar. Advertisement is everything these days - you get me enough potential clients, I will be able to sell them ambient air and tap water as life-prolonging must-haves/as soul-saving ingredients, you name it. Literally. Besides, isn't one required to learn certain skills to be able to make quality tattoes, henna or not? One more besides, isn't she asking about get-rich-quick schemes?

I think your costs are much higher than hers because there's already a million Russian brides websites out there so you have to work harder to stand out. Don't think henna tattoos are that common at least in Kazan yet.

Russian Lad
28-09-2012, 18:44
I think your costs are much higher than hers because there's already a million Russian brides websites out there so you have to work harder to stand out. Don't think henna tattoos are that common at least in Kazan yet.

You think, heh? Think again, a little research shows that you are wrong.:)
http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%83%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B8+%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B0+%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C&lr=2

As to dating sites, true, the competition is fierce.:) But so is the demand.:)

Nobbynumbnuts
28-09-2012, 18:54
How about finding clients? If you think advertising your product or service doesn't cost big money, think again. Twice. For example, I am in a dating business, one click of a potential client on Google costs me over 1 US dollar. Advertisement is everything these days - you get me enough potential clients, I will be able to sell them ambient air and tap water as life-prolonging must-haves/as soul-saving ingredients, you name it. Literally. Besides, isn't one required to learn certain skills to be able to make quality tattoes, henna or not? One more besides, isn't she asking about get-rich-quick schemes?

As i said, it's definitely not a get rich quick scheme. It's more a lifestyle scheme. Something that has the potential to be developed over time. Think of all the add-ons it's possible to sell with contacts made through henna tattoos. Yoga, meditation, massage and there are more. Someone was mentioning Indian, homemade food stuffs as well.
Jas is south asian, unique in Kazan. Can't be many people like her there, she should concentrate on that to her advantage and sell associated services and products.

In my view better for her to build a business through contacts and word of mouth. Focus her marketing efforts on areas where there might be an interest for her services.

Nobbynumbnuts
28-09-2012, 18:59
You think, heh? Think again, a little research shows that you are wrong.:)
http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%83%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B8+%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B0+%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C&lr=2............

How many South asian ladies doing henna tattoos?
She has a huge potential advantage.

Russian Lad
28-09-2012, 19:06
In my view better for her to build a business through contacts and word of mouth. Focus her marketing efforts on areas where there might be an interest for her services.

I would not bet a dollar on a success story in a year for that kind of stuff, but I will let her prove me wrong.:) Word of mouth may work for making enough money to live on, rather modestly, but not enough for making a business. In most cases. Unless one is selling arms or heroin, that is.:))


How many South asian ladies doing henna tattoos?
She has a huge potential advantage.

If I wanted myself a tattoo, I would be interested in the quality of it, not in the artist's ethnicity.

Jas
28-09-2012, 19:21
Guys, Nobby's mehndi idea is exactly what I am going to do and I already called me mum to get me sent over 5 pounds of henna paste. The raw materials are really cheap and all I need to do is promote my work. I am going to do some patterns on my partner's hands and feet and do some promo photos. Next? I'm going to advertise is health centers- if they let me- massage parlors and the few spa like places there are here also. Next? I'm going to advertise some Russian ads in the local classified sections. Next? Beauty salons cos it goes not just with Muslim marriage but with muslima fashion and beauty and u wud be surprised- there are lots of Tartar girls in hijabs who look chique and Muslim also!

I am going to charge 900 roubles as a base price and I think that's reasonable. So I cud easy I think earn up to 50,000 roubles a month. Maybe it's not much to people here with big jobs in Moscow... but it wud mean me monthly income jumps to 70,000 rouble and that's tons of cash compared to what I'm used to and enough even to fund visa runs. So Nobbynumbnuts, u basically solved my problem! The rest is up to me and at least this is something I feel really confident with.

Jas
28-09-2012, 19:26
Funny, a few weeks back I posted this song about mehndi and told u all it brought back happy memories. But I just never thought in a zillion years that something from me past was the answer to sorting out the present.

So worth posting again! This time in tribute to nobbynuts- a friend of mehndi users all over the world.

Vibha Sharma - MehndiLagoongi - YouTube

Russian Lad
28-09-2012, 19:26
It is great to see problems solved in such an expedient fashion.:)

Nobbynumbnuts
28-09-2012, 19:29
I would not bet a dollar on a success story in a year for that kind of stuff, but I will let her prove me wrong.:) Word of mouth may work for making enough money to live on, rather modestly, but not enough for making a business. In most cases. Unless one is selling arms or heroine, that is.:))



If I wanted myself a tattoo, I would be interested in the quality of it, not in the artist's ethnicity.

Well, she obviously doesn't have a large budget so has no option really, other than grow a business organically.

The success of any venture depends on the quality of the product, obviously if you can't deliver on the clients expectation you will fail, but this not just a tattoo. You can get a tattoo done anywhere. This is a specialist product (i don't use the term lightly). If you were interested in it, you'd be interested in the story that surrounds it, that's the uniqueness of it. Having an authentic experience with a someone from the region that specializes in it, is a big advantage.

Jas
28-09-2012, 19:32
C, this is how cultures can mix and add stuff to each other. U c it in fashion, cuisine, art, literature, archetecure also and it's the positive side to fusion.

Isn't it better than the talk of war against Muslims that's broken out on the other thread?

Nobbynumbnuts
28-09-2012, 19:33
Funny, a few weeks back I posted this song about mehndi and told u all it brought back happy memories. But I just never thought in a zillion years that something from me past was the answer to sorting out the present.

So worth posting again! This time in tribute to nobbynuts- a friend of mehndi users all over the world.

Vibha Sharma - MehndiLagoongi - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD-K-Ncm1nQ)

I love Bollywood, Jas.
I'm reading a great book right now called, Shantaram by Gregory David Roberts. Read it if you get the chance. Amazing story.

I love Indian culture (don't know too much about the rest of S.Asia though) and i think it has a lot to offer.

Tony P
28-09-2012, 19:35
I wish the venture the success you seek/need.

I noticed several people offering this service on the streets in Crimea sea resorts recently. No 'shop', just a stool and small table on the pavement - therefore minimal investment or cost commitment.

Learn all about the medical aspects and possibilities for adverse reactions - it must be on the Web.
Dealing with people's skin needs care, caution and a disclaimer, just in case you get an asshole of a customer.

Don't undersell yourself.

Good luck.

Nobbynumbnuts
28-09-2012, 19:40
C, this is how cultures can mix and add stuff to each other. U c it in fashion, cuisine, art, literature, archetecure also and it's the positive side to fusion.

Isn't it better than the talk of war against Muslims that's broken out on the other thread?

Was thinking about that very thing earlier.
Perhaps a bit of a romantic notion but what a wonderful chance to educate people you come into contact with in Kazan of the richness of your culture.
Russia needs that.

Jas
28-09-2012, 19:48
Was thinking about that very thing earlier.
Perhaps a bit of a romantic notion but what a wonderful chance to educate people you come into contact with in Kazan of the richness of your culture.
Russia needs that.

And nobby, this forum needs you! I opened a new thread to discuss issues brought up here, so feel free to comment. What we can do, you, me, and others who want to help is replace the negativity with something positive.

BabyFirefly
28-09-2012, 21:34
You think, heh? Think again, a little research shows that you are wrong.:)
http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%83%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B8+%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B0+%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C&lr=2

As to dating sites, true, the competition is fierce.:) But so is the demand.:)

Yeah but her starting costs are pretty low.... a chair and some print-outs of designs and of course the henna paste....

sis
28-09-2012, 23:52
How about finding clients? If you think advertising your product or service doesn't cost big money, think again. Twice. For example, I am in a dating business, one click of a potential client on Google costs me over 1 US dollar. Advertisement is everything these days - you get me enough potential clients, I will be able to sell them ambient air and tap water as life-prolonging must-haves/as soul-saving ingredients, you name it. Literally. Besides, isn't one required to learn certain skills to be able to make quality tattoes, henna or not? One more besides, isn't she asking about get-rich-quick schemes?

SO how did you get into the dating business RussianLad?

robertmf
28-09-2012, 23:57
Yeah but her starting costs are pretty low.... a chair and some print-outs of designs and of course the henna paste....

As a rule of thumb, a low barrier to market entry, such as minimal $capital$ investment, results in increased competition and low profit margins.


Still :tgif: here

Nobbynumbnuts
29-09-2012, 00:37
SO how did you get into the dating business RussianLad?

Perhaps it was out of necessity? :ignore:

singhshakti2020
29-09-2012, 00:49
[QUOTE=Nobbynumbnuts;1065092]
Do you need special equipment for it, like inks and brushes or will any do? Try and keep it as authentic as possible would be my advice.
[QUOTE]


Heena Cone is used for making Tatoo.
I have 6 such with me in Moscow, if someone needs to try. Some of my wife's friends asked me to bring it from India.

22575

Even all of her friend dreamed to have atleast once such design on their hand.

Girls like it & can be in good demand if done professionally.

22576

RichardB
29-09-2012, 01:02
Yeah but her starting costs are pretty low.... a chair and some print-outs of designs and of course the henna paste....

Does this mean we'll see Jas sitting on Arbat alongside the artists and the tattoo guys?



This time in tribute to nobbynuts

Nobby - For a second there I thought she was implying that you'd agreed to marry her!

Nobbynumbnuts
29-09-2012, 01:23
..................Nobby - For a second there I thought she was implying that you'd agreed to marry her!

Gotta say Richard, Jas's avatar is rather nice. If that's her, she'd look good on the back of my scooter! :rasta:

robertmf
29-09-2012, 01:34
Gotta say Richard, Jas's avatar is rather nice. If that's her, she'd look good on the back of my scooter! :rasta:

How do you say, "smashed wet dreams" по-Русски :question: :Loco:

:whisper:
Gabriella Cilmi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

RichardB
29-09-2012, 01:35
Gotta say Richard, Jas's avatar is rather nice. If that's her, she'd look good on the back of my scooter! :rasta:

It's not her though ;-)

You'll have to find another backseat passenger :)

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article804111.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Nude+motorbike+passenger+was+stopped+by+traffic+police+in+Constanta,+Romania

Nobbynumbnuts
29-09-2012, 01:36
[QUOTE=Nobbynumbnuts;1065092]
Do you need special equipment for it, like inks and brushes or will any do? Try and keep it as authentic as possible would be my advice.
[QUOTE]


Heena Cone is used for making Tatoo.
I have 6 such with me in Moscow, if someone needs to try. Some of my wife's friends asked me to bring it from India.

22575

Even all of her friend dreamed to have atleast once such design on their hand.

Girls like it & can be in good demand if done professionally.

22576

There you go, you learn something everyday! I didn't know that it was done with cones. I assumed brushes were used.
I worked in Delhi for a while with an Indian hotel chain and saw a lot of girls at work wearing henna tattoos. I believe it's particularly popular on special occasions, like weddings etc.

I think Jas should contact your wife for a heads up on her experiences.

Nobbynumbnuts
29-09-2012, 01:39
It's not her though ;-)

You'll have to find another backseat passenger :)

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article804111.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Nude+motorbike+passenger+was+stopped+by+traffic+police+in+Constanta,+Romania

Oh, sh*t!!
Is that you and your missus out for a spin??!! :p

robertmf
29-09-2012, 01:43
Oh, sh*t!!
Is that you and your missus out for a spin??!! :p

I posted the image in Bardak without that rude black stripe.

Girl on motorcycle (http://www.expat.ru/forum/showthread.php?p=1065439#post1065439)

:tongue:

Nobbynumbnuts
29-09-2012, 02:25
How do you say, "smashed wet dreams" по-Русски :question: :Loco:

:whisper:
Gabriella Cilmi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriella_Cilmi)

That's the girl in Jas's avatar?
THE WEDDING'S OFF!!! :D

RichardB
29-09-2012, 02:35
That's the girl in Jas's avatar?
THE WEDDING'S OFF!!! :D

:D :D :D

Jas
29-09-2012, 10:04
No sorry guys, the girl in me avatar is taller and more famous than me. Her name is Gabriella Cilmi and I posted all of her songs. So sorry to disappoint u!

Here she is:

Gabriella Cilmi - Hearts Don't Lie - YouTube

Nobbynumbnuts
29-09-2012, 10:52
No sorry guys, the girl in me avatar is taller and more famous than me. Her name is Gabriella Cilmi and I posted all of her songs. So sorry to disappoint u!

Here she is:

Gabriella Cilmi - Hearts Don't Lie - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX7Xa1Vh5Pg)

Yup, she's definitely hot. And that's a great song too!

Lost in moscow
29-09-2012, 14:37
The easiest way is to work for it)

Ibanez
29-09-2012, 15:16
I wish the venture the success you seek/need.

I noticed several people offering this service on the streets in Crimea sea resorts recently. No 'shop', just a stool and small table on the pavement - therefore minimal investment or cost commitment.

Learn all about the medical aspects and possibilities for adverse reactions - it must be on the Web.
Dealing with people's skin needs care, caution and a disclaimer, just in case you get an asshole of a customer.

Don't undersell yourself.

Good luck.

Jas, good luck with this....if you want then it will succeed...

Carl
29-09-2012, 19:22
Russians are funny sometimes. Anyone seen how they clean a floor? They just go in with a wet cloth and a bucket. As I keep explaining.... u have to sweep the floor first- then go in with a mop!

For once, you have my total agreement! :mml:
Also wouldn't be a bad thing if they started adding a cleaning agent to the mop water!!

okiey
02-10-2012, 16:05
Speaking of easy ways to make money, I find this one really original. Its proof that the ideas are all around us.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-24/how-a-teacher-made-1-million-selling-lesson-plans