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Jas
03-08-2012, 16:44
OK folks, let's calm down.....
Over and over people who know Russia quite well have said that it's not a gay-lesbian friendly place. I think I definetly tend to agree.
It's kind of ironic therefore that Russia has a disproportinately large footprint in the world of lesbian porn.
See, 99% of lesbian porn in the West is aimed at, well, guys I guess. It's not genuine. It's plastic. And quite alienating. As about as interesting to me as looking at a British rail timetable. But then I'm not meant to be its consumer.
Now the Russian stuff on the other hand is quite different. It's subtle, classy, and touching in an aesthetic sense. There's a lot of attention to detail clothes, style, make-up, hairstyle.
I don't particularly like porn of any description and I'm only opening the thread to discuss the socilogical implications.
Why wud, afterall, a non lesbian-friendly society actually produce this kind of stuff?

IGIT
03-08-2012, 16:47
Money. They know their target audience.

mds45
03-08-2012, 16:48
OK folks, let's calm down.....
Over and over people who know Russia quite well have said that it's not a gay-lesbian friendly place. I think I definetly tend to agree.
It's kind of ironic therefore that Russia has a disproportinately large footprint in the world of lesbian porn.
See, 99% of lesbian porn in the West is aimed at, well, guys I guess. It's not genuine. It's plastic. And quite alienating. As about as interesting to me as looking at a British rail timetable. But then I'm not meant to be its consumer.
Now the Russian stuff on the other hand is quite different. It's subtle, classy, and touching in an aesthetic sense. There's a lot of attention to detail clothes, style, make, hairstyle.
I don't particularly like porn of any description and I'm only opening the thread to discuss the socilogical implications.
Why wud, afterall, a non lesbian-friendly society actually produce this kind of stuff?

Could be the people making it are outside main stream society and therefore don't represent the rest of Russian society,

The hair and clothes and makeup thing are easily explainable , stand on a corner of most cities and you will see glamour everywhere :) and I for one think it's great :)

Inola
03-08-2012, 16:50
Target audience and main consumers are men.. You don't think that if it's less "plastic" and more "classy", men wouldn't watch, right?

Don't see any particular "sociological implications" here...

BabyFirefly
03-08-2012, 16:56
Russian porn is classy? What kind of porn were you previously watching that was so terrible? :D

Eh, anyway, they simply know that lesbian porn is easily successful in the West. However, I haven't seen the lesbian-bisexual obsession here is that is common in Western media. Especially in the US, a a bisexual female character is an easy way to boost ratings just so... think the exception to this is Olivia Wilde's character in House; the show was successful before her, and her bisexuality was, you know, real. Most bisexual TV characters are bisexual as long as it is convenient to the male characters; always very sexy, always willing to kiss other girls and have threesomes, but never actually pursuing a romantic relationship with a woman, only with men, and this bisexuality is usually short lived, more like a phase. I've asked every Russian guy I know what they think of bisexual/lesbians and it's a very different answer than if you ask an American guy; it's not really considered sexy.

Jas
03-08-2012, 16:58
MD, I can see where ure coming from, but the lesbian porn stuff is more appealing aesthetically. There's a difference in make up application and use of lipstick than I just don't see in everyday life. It's odd cos there's exactly the same thing done in Pakistan in terms of use of cosmetics to create a different sort of look.
Well of course not all lesbians wud be interested in Pakistani or Russian cosmetic techniques.... there is no single lesbian ideal. You got people in jeans on one end of the spectrum and our stuff at the other end.
It's just odd that Russians are world class leaders in it.

Money.... that's possible. Cos it doesn't seem to be a cultural thing to me. It if was, why not represented in society?

DavidB
03-08-2012, 17:01
Who said Russia was against lesbians? You can see topless girls making out with each other 3 nights a week in the bars and night clubs of any city.

BabyFirefly
03-08-2012, 17:02
It's not represented in society because society wants women who are willing to do anything to sexually please men, including but not limited to screwing other women and allowing the man to watch or join, but not actual lesbians, because real lesbians will not want them and worst might "take" women from them. Bisexual skanky overly sexual women are fine; lesbians who are in love are a threat.

And lesbian porn is almost never made for lesbians. It's extremely fake, but all porn is, real GOOD sex doesn't look like porn sex. Porn sex looks good on the camera.

FML, I sound like an angry feminist.

mds45
03-08-2012, 17:04
Who said Russia was against lesbians? You can see topless girls making out with each other 3 nights a week in the bars and night clubs of any city.

Actually David makes a very good point here, I've never seen so many girls kissing each other as I have here in the bars and clubs of Moscow , it seems to me to be quite normal..

DavidB
03-08-2012, 17:05
MD, I can see where ure coming from, but the lesbian porn stuff is more appealing aesthetically.

Everything about Russian girls is more appealing aesthetically. They spend a lot of time on that.

BabyFirefly
03-08-2012, 17:06
They do it to attract attention from men. No different than dancing by grinding your rear end on every man available. At the end of the night they'll still leave with a man.

Jas
03-08-2012, 17:08
Babyfirefly,
Well that's just what I mean. I don't consider it sexy either. Men have no place in lesbian porn and the idea that sex is impossible until a man shows up- which is the archetype of western porn- is pretty repulsive to me. I find it demeaning. I think that's why I'm anti porn.
But.... with the Russian stuff, it's a different approach. I agree with your take on bisexuality in the media, it's far too accomodating to male voyeurism and expectations. The Russian porn I have seen is not deferring in that way at all. It's proper lesbian porn.
I agree also about 'phases' of life. See in Pakistan, girls have beautiful styles, clothes, a very cultured look based on finesse- and that is often done to please the eye of another girl. It's lovely in all ways. However, it can't be a life choice cos marriage crashes in on people. This means lesbians who are totally feminine in all ways, but who love other girls, are forced into marriage against their orientation. It appears like a change of life phase.... but it's totally forced.

Jas
03-08-2012, 17:09
Perhaps, but I'm not actually thinking about girls in chaps and cowboy hats in some bar.

BabyFirefly
03-08-2012, 17:10
I'm tempted to ask you to send me some of this proper lesbian porn. I've never seen anything like that.

mds45
03-08-2012, 17:12
Perhaps, but I'm not actually thinking about girls in chaps and cowboy hats in some bar.

jas, this is not girls hired to dance on the bar in Coyote Ugly this is normal girls out for a night out with their friends .. really I see it everry time i go out !!

BabyFirefly
03-08-2012, 17:19
Because most women, especially in cultures like here and Latin America where women's worth is how sexual she is, will do ANYTHING to seem sexier. I'm sure if some celebrity sex symbol stated she got her labia removed a placed there lines of diamonds instead the demand for Swarovski crystals and cubic zirconia would skyrocket and you'd read about the new trendy procedure in the latest Cosmo.

Inola
03-08-2012, 17:23
Because most women, especially in cultures like here and Latin America where women's worth is how sexual she is, will do ANYTHING to seem sexier. I'm sure if some celebrity sex symbol stated she got her labia removed a placed there lines of diamonds instead the demand for Swarovski crystals and cubic zirconia would skyrocket and you'd read about the new trendy procedure in the latest Cosmo.

You think so? Most women really? I don't know all Russian women to judge about what most would do, but none of the Russian girls I know are that "do i look sexy enough' obsessed as in your description, nor fashion-influenced...

yakspeare
03-08-2012, 17:26
Jas I don't know anything about this porn, not that I am a prude, just really looked at much porn here.

So I think you need to start the annual lesbian porn expat night.

Jas
03-08-2012, 17:26
It's not represented in society because society wants women who are willing to do anything to sexually please men, including but not limited to screwing other women and allowing the man to watch or join, but not actual lesbians, because real lesbians will not want them and worst might "take" women from them. Bisexual skanky overly sexual women are fine; lesbians who are in love are a threat.

And lesbian porn is almost never made for lesbians. It's extremely fake, but all porn is, real GOOD sex doesn't look like porn sex. Porn sex looks good on the camera.

FML, I sound like an angry feminist.



Brilliant. That's nailed it. You're right. That's why if you say you love another woman everyone from the neighbors to friends to the church and who knows, maybe even the police- wud come and trash us in one minute.

But girls making out for guys to watch in some club is right on.

For every girl in some club lap dancing with another girl for some guy, or group of guys, there are real women who need the emotional and psychological support of their female partners- yet are too afraid to show any kind of affection in the street.

Like I'm telling you, me partner just ignores me in public. It's so so cold. But she's got no choice. Babyfirefly told the absolute truth, like in Pakistan, but less so here- we're still considered a threat.

Jas
03-08-2012, 17:34
jas, this is not girls hired to dance on the bar in Coyote Ugly this is normal girls out for a night out with their friends .. really I see it everry time i go out !!

That's great that they have that kind of freedom. But in my experience, it's the exact opposite.
See, me partner is quite conservative anyhow, we don't go to nightclubs and we just stay together. Everyone around is straighter than straight, votes for KPRF\ EDINYA RASSIYA, goes to church on sundays, and seem overly focused on work. Social life is relatives and trips to the village. No one knows and stuff that me and partner are like a couple, they just think we're friends from the internet and will make a business.
I don't doubt what ure saying is 100% right..... but it's not my reality or that of me partner who is deadly afraid of all of this.

Jas
03-08-2012, 17:42
[QUOTE=yakspeare;1034125]Jas I don't know anything about this porn, not that I am a prude, just really looked at much porn here.
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Well if you're looking at so much porn, I think definetly you shud stop it.
Like me, I used to drink 20 diet cokes a day. And then I jsut stopped.
This beats porn=:book:

yakspeare
03-08-2012, 18:37
[QUOTE=yakspeare;1034125]Jas I don't know anything about this porn, not that I am a prude, just really looked at much porn here.
QUOTE]
Well if you're looking at so much porn, I think definetly you shud stop it.
Like me, I used to drink 20 diet cokes a day. And then I jsut stopped.
This beats porn=:book:

lol the sentence should have been "i don't know anything about this porn, not that I am a prude, just haven't looked at much porn here".

freudian slip you may think...but I guess it's the whole being in another country thing for me that it loses its appeal, and I certainly wouldn't trust sites here for download. Besides, walking down the street here gives more than enough visual stimulation.

Potty
03-08-2012, 18:38
I know a real lesbian couple. Quite close. One of them looks like Mickey Rourke. She is real. Another one is ok but seems just tired of men.



I used to drink 20 diet cokes a day. :
0,33 L x 20 =6,6 L Really?

yakspeare
03-08-2012, 18:51
As for gays and how they are treated. I have some gay friends here. it is a big secret that they are gay-i only was let on to it when my then gf told me to reassure me about them dancing with her. (wasn't jealous but she thought i was.lol)

These two guys never act even close to being a couple in public and even go to separate gyms etc. only when they leave russia for holidays can they really relax around each other in public. It is simply too dangerous to be gay here(their words.)

Jas
03-08-2012, 22:05
Well Yakes, that's exactly the sort of sad situation I'm talking about.

MikeyP
03-08-2012, 23:45
That's really sad - homosexuality is just accepted as - well - not the norm, but withing the range of behavior considered normal by the majority of people.

I think its a generational thing - if someone said they were gay to a typical 30 something adult...

In grandparents generation: They would have thought is was scandalous - and even those who were liberal would have helped them to keep it secret
In my parents generation: They would have made an effort to show they were OK with it - even if it made them feel uncomfortable
In my generation - most of us would say "So what?"

In fact - even further than that - I think I would be more annoyed that someone defined themselves by their sexuality than the sexuality itself: Tell me what else you do with your life!