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scrooge
25-11-2003, 19:30
All

What does everyone think about how Christmas trees and decorations seem to have sprouted exceedingly early in Moscow this year eg Mayakovsky ploshchad, Shokoladnitsa cafes. It's not quite mince pies on sale in August but a big difference from just a few years ago.

This is for a piece I'm doing. Anyone willing to rant on the record /praise the arrival of the November bauble.

Cheers

kevin

oflynn@imedia.ru

DJ Biscuit
26-11-2003, 17:01
All shops, cafes, restaurants etc etc are required by law to have festive decorations in their windows by the 27th November. But you knew that I guess.

Personally I think it's terrible, the law requires the same of commercial premises when it's Easter (posters proclaiming christ has risen), does that mean it is illegal not to believe in god?

Why should shops etc have to celebrate new year? It's not Xmas decorations we are on about here by the way. Don't make that mistake you did in your post. New Year is the excuse for the decorations and trees, they celebrate Christmas in January and the trees etc are for new year not Christmas.

I am not sure if it is commercialisation of some holiday, rather I think it's a cheap way for the Moscow Government to make the city look better!



:)

geofizz56
26-11-2003, 18:37
I liked it in Malaysia, where they celebrate Muslim, Christian, Hindu, and Chinese holidays with (almost) equal fervor. Not to mention the Sultan's birthday and various civic holidays. It seemed pretty cool that the Muslim PM would celebrate Hari Raya. And you're never far from a day off! But decorating certainly wasn't mandated by law - that seems very strange.

DaveUKagain
26-11-2003, 20:58
Just speaking personally - none of my family celebrate Christmas at all, and we don`t bother with birthdays, either. ;-)))))

"Bah humbug" ?

No, we`re (a) not practising Christians and (b) think it`s a bit more important to be nice to each other ALL year, not just on a few token days. ;-))))))

Humphrey Bogart apparently did the same thing. ;-)))))) Honestly ? The one thing I hate at Christmas is when all those "friends" you`ve not heard from all year arrive back in their home town and the phone goes and you`re expected to go out for a drink. ;-)))) Rest of the year they either don`t exist or can`t be bothered, but you ARE expected to "make the numbers up" down the pub..... b*llocks to that. ;-))))))))

"Come on round for some Christmas dinner and a great big slice of hypocrisy"...... ;-))))

sally
27-11-2003, 15:56
what an old grump you are Dave!

presumably these will be the same friends you havent been to visit all year, who take the trouble to see you when they come back to their home town because they know they'll never get to see you otherwise??!

personally I love Christmas.. it's the only time of year when kitsch is cool and you get to be a kid again... and to see friends you never see any other time of the year!

Sally

DJ Biscuit
27-11-2003, 18:50
Dave,

Exactly the same thoughts here. I don't believe in god so no christmas. Plus yeah, hypocrasy. Why do people kiss each other and tell each other they love them on new years and ignore each or worse treat each other badly all year round? They are not even on E!

DaveUKagain
27-11-2003, 20:37
Hehee ! Hi Sally and DJ ! ;-))))

Sally. Distinction between "friends" and "pub mates" ? ;-)))) I got the phone bill yesterday and went through it thinking "The amount of times I rang him..... her...... and did I get called back ? " If they DO, they`re all guilty andd..... "Sorry we haven`t spoken for such a long time".....

..... you bite your tongue and try not to say, "We haven`t spoken ? No no, I ring you up every 2-3 weeks..... what you mean is "sorry I couldn`t be bothered to call but now I need something off you.... " " ;-)))))))))

Grump grump grump. ;-)))))) But - it`s true...... give some people an inch and they take a mile.

Well done DJ, you old heathen. ;-)))))))))) Hehee ! No. I am NOT a practicing Christian, I have nothing against people who quietly practice their own religion, but. Christmas is either a religious holiday (and I`m not religious) or it`s an overcommercialised spending spree, which I`m not bothered with. So HUMBUG to it, heheee ! ;-)))))))

There is nothing worse than seeing your relatives who are misery-gutted old uncharitable skinflints for most of the year suddenly turn into the life and soul of the party for a few days when imbued with "the Christmas spirit". Total hypocrisy. ;-))) I`m the same miserable sod all year round for the sake of equanimity. ;-))))))

Hang on, someone white`s just coming up the drive with a ball and chain..... ;-)))))))

lochnessmonster
27-11-2003, 20:42
DUDE, you don't need to be on E to kiss someone with real love or to tell someone you love them and mean it!!

DJ Biscuit
27-11-2003, 21:31
That was my whole point! People spend all year ignoring each other or treating each other with distain or dissing one another and then at Xmas and new year it's 'hey, love you, haven't seen you for ages let's spend more time together etc etc' b-s if you ask me, and you're not.

If you love someone it should be all yr round. A dog's for life not just Christmas! :D

DaveUKagain
28-11-2003, 01:38
Hole in one there, DJ. ;-))))))

I just can`t stand the hypocrisy which occurs when you get a birthday card from someone who`s not even bothered to ring up all year. You may have rung them 10 times and - oooo, knee jerk reaction - they send you a card.

Lovely, thanks. ;-))))))) Hope that makes `em feel better. ;-))))

Christmas is top o` the list for all those guilty "friends" who are really just "pub mates" to ring and say "Coming out for a pint ? "

Why bother ? Honestly ????

Other bah humbug situations - weddings, christenings, funerals, anything "family". Funerals I find to be the worst, where you get someone reading an eulogy..... what they REALLY should say is, "Well, we didn`t really know `em all that well and to be truthful couldn`t give a b*gger, we`re just grateful it`s not us in the box this time, where`s the free beer and sandwiches ? "

This spoken as someone who - for 20 years - provided the free drinks at the "annual party" for the rest of the family, all of whom lived 30 miles away but`d drive anywhere for a free beer. Yeah RIGHT, so let`s have some REALITY, eh ? -

A friend is a friend all the year around. There`s no dispensation for those who just turn up on Christmas Day with a false smile and a need to "get some people to make the numbers up at the pub." I dislike being "collected" by "pub mates" all out for themselves - if there`s no reciprocity, they`re not a friend but an acquaintance and "peace on Earth. goodwill to all men between December 24th and January 2nd when I`m off work and home drunk on Carling Special Brew, don`t want to watch Chitty Chitty Bang Bang again so I`ll ring Dave up " - can be stuck right up their mince pies, folks. ;-))))))

Humbug ? Me ? Or is CHRISTMAS humbug ? ;-))))))))))))

kniga
28-11-2003, 02:14
Dave, you old fraud!

You'd like to have people be more genuine than they are and you love the pub scene with all its cameraderie, but people just don't match up to your expectations, so you have become the Christmas Grinch. Stop wasting your money on these tossers and enjoy the few friends that you have. I'll bet the crew on the expat site would treat you better year round than the ones you've collected in Jolly Olde England!

DaveUKagain
28-11-2003, 02:39
Hehee ! Kniga, as ever, you wise old gnome, you are QUITE correct. ;-))))

I think the point that DJ and I are trying to make is that the world is indeed full of artificial friends, and they all come out during an artificial season which I`m not really a fully paid up member of. ;-))

One thing I like about Russians - much more open and friendly and genuine people than Brits. ;-))) Not counting my Ex, of course. ;-))) I`ll be having a Christmas celebration with the Russian contingent in Manchester, by the way. ;-))))))

You`re right, I`m an "old fraud" . ;-))))))))))) No no, I`d rather have it with people who actually seem to properly care a little more than usual. ;-)))))

kniga
28-11-2003, 02:49
Dave,

And so you shall as soon as you ditch the hangers-on who ride the holiday season like Sea Biscuit for all it's worth. Go rent a copy of "It's a Wonderful Life" and get refreshed by a new spirit of Christmas that does not depend on Christianity, but rather on the goodness of the human spirit when it is not weighted down by tossers, scroundrels, bolt-heads, ne're-do-wells, varlets and the assorted other scoundrels with whom you have allowed yourself to be associated. :-)

DaveUKagain
28-11-2003, 02:56
Ahh, Kniga, again your wise words of sooth and wisdom, eloquently dripping from a bejewelled tongue , whet with the soporific that pertains from the erudition of a gentleman of sagely advanced years.

I`ll go and kick `em in the festive knackers this year. ;-)))))

kniga
28-11-2003, 03:00
Dave,

You silver tongued devil, you!

cyclby
28-11-2003, 09:52
Originally posted by DaveUKagain
Hehee ! Kniga, as ever, you wise old gnome, you are QUITE correct. ;-))))

I think the point that DJ and I are trying to make is that the world is indeed full of artificial friends, and they all come out during an artificial season which I`m not really a fully paid up member of. ;-))



WHAT!!! You guy's have friends? Where do I get one of those and what are they supposed to do once you get one?

You lucky Bastards!! :D

Luv
C

Sadie
28-11-2003, 10:23
Originally posted by DaveUKagain
Just speaking personally - none of my family celebrate Christmas at all, and we don`t bother with birthdays, either. ;-)))))
Oh, mine Got! That sounds depressive:rolleyes:
I adore holidays, Xmas, birthdays and stuff. Oi-oi-oi, i can't wait for the New Year to come:) :) :)

DaveUKagain
28-11-2003, 13:18
Originally posted by Sadie
Oh, mine Got! That sounds depressive:rolleyes:
I adore holidays, Xmas, birthdays and stuff. Oi-oi-oi, i can't wait for the New Year to come:) :) :)

We don`t celebrate New Year either. ;-)))) Earth goes around the sun one more time, big deal. ;-))))))))))

geofizz56
28-11-2003, 13:50
I'm with Sadie - just a Pollyanna at heart. I can't wait to get home and decorate the tree with enough lights to pop a fuse, start cooking all the holiday goodies, and get out in the crowds. The kids will be home, my sister will be visiting, mom-in-law will drop in, the dog will be going nutso - all good things. We're having a party for an oil-and-water mixture of my husband's friends, my friends, and probably a few total strangers.

DaveUKagain
28-11-2003, 14:50
Ahh, Geofizz, it`s GREAT for the kids. ;-))))) Hehee ! Each to their own....... ;-)))))) Sounds like you`re going to have a good one - so am I. ;-))))) I just prefer the peace and quiet. But if I had kids, I`d spoil them rotten. ;-)))))))))