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Joe Kilroy
21-09-2011, 22:23
What are you doing to help him?

Will Russians stand up to support this brave Russian hero?

The Mafia is paying people to spam his website and tarnish his name.

They are scared.

The question is, will ordinary Russians stand up to join his battle against


corruption?

Do they have the balls?

I will be back
22-09-2011, 17:22
Do they have the balls?

I did not check his balls :) but if seriously it says he if the fighter

Joe Kilroy
22-09-2011, 22:47
I did not check his balls :) but if seriously it says he if the fighter

but ALL Russians are fighters. It's in their hearts.

They just need a good general who they can believe in and trust.

I think you should treasure him , protect him, support him in any way you can.


If you protect him, you may be saving the soul of Russia, before your present leaders finish the job that Yeltsin started, of selling Russia's soul to the devil.

Judge
22-09-2011, 23:03
but ALL Russians are fighters. It's in their hearts.

They just need a good general who they can believe in and trust.

I think you should treasure him , protect him, support him in any way you can.


If you protect him, you may be saving the soul of Russia, before your present leaders finish the job that Yeltsin started, of selling Russia's soul to the devil.

Nah, the present leaders stepped in and stopped the sale of the Russian soul to the devil.
I do like some of the stuff that Alex Navalny comes up with, I think it's him who wants to put a cap on the price of cars the Duma people can buy..Something like 2m rubles is the limit...And if it's him, there have been a few car orders cancelled..
I'll try and find the article.

Judge
22-09-2011, 23:06
Found the article.


The Communists beat the other political parties on Thursday to a proposal by whistleblower Alexei Navalny, who called to prevent officials from buying cars worth more than 2 million rubles ($65,500).

State agencies and regional governments often open tenders for posh cars that are later used by high-ranking officials, both on- and off-duty.

Navalny posted a draft bill to limit such purchases on his LiveJournal last week, asking any of the four State Duma parties to introduce it in the fall session, the last before the Duma vote in December.

The Communists are the only ones to react so far. "Let's limit that thievery at least a little," party member Sergei Obukhov, a Duma deputy, said in an interview with Business FM radio on Thursday.

The bill does not ban the purchase of costly cars outright, but each such tender would need to be authorized by the federal government.

No date for a hearing was set.

Navalny is not a member of the Communist Party, but shares many leftist views and is known for his critical stance on the ruling United Russia party.

The new bill is well-timed, as two state tenders for expensive vehicles are mulled by the media this week alone.

On Tuesday, President Dmitry Medvedev chided the Moscow-based Russian Customs Academy for its plans to purchase two Mercedes cars priced at about 3 million rubles ($98,330) apiece. An unidentified customs official said later that the vehicles were needed to impress official delegations from the World Trade Organization, which Russia has been trying to join since 1993.

On Wednesday, the traffic police placed a tender for 13 Mercedes cars about 2.5 million rubles each to escort high-ranking state officials, Gazeta.ru reported.

An apparent record holder for this year is Dagestani Finance Minister Abdusamad Gamidov, who announced a tender in March for an Audi sedan worth 8.5 million rubles ($290,000). The tender was withdrawn after Navalny criticized it.

FatAndy
23-09-2011, 09:13
I think it is Kremlin PR project ;)

What are you doing to help him?

Will Russians stand up to support this brave Russian hero?

The Mafia is paying people to spam his website and tarnish his name.

They are scared.

The question is, will ordinary Russians stand up to join his battle against


corruption?

Do they have the balls?

Strider
23-09-2011, 09:32
I think it is Kremlin PR project ;)

They're not that smart to pull off something like that

MashaSashina
23-09-2011, 09:52
I think it is Kremlin PR project ;)
Hm... And how does his activity work for Kremlin PR?

FatAndy
23-09-2011, 11:29
Hm... And how does his activity work for Kremlin PR?

As usual - some noisy actions distract public attention from smth much more important ;)

"Brave hero with steel b@!!$ breaks covers!!!"

Ouch! :rofl:

FatAndy
23-09-2011, 11:30
Underestimation of the counterpart is much worse than overestimation ;)

They're not that smart to pull off something like that

MashaSashina
23-09-2011, 12:32
As usual - some noisy actions distract public attention from smth much more important ;)

"Brave hero with steel b@!!$ breaks covers!!!"

Ouch! :rofl:
Noisy actions? Like posting messages in LiveJournal? Well, this is your opinion and i don't argue. But could you please tell me what are those much more important things which i miss being Navalny's "admirer"?
Cause I support him and got interested in finance law and taxation after reading his posts and listening to his interview on a radio... If I ever become a good professional in finance law I'll have to thank Alex. ;)
Do you think i'm just blind?

FatAndy
23-09-2011, 12:52
Like posting messages in LiveJournal?
No, like making noise in Internet and media about him.


Well, this is your opinion and i don't argue.
Surely, I never was pretending to know Every Big Secret ;)


But could you please tell me what are those much more important things which i miss being Navalny's "admirer"?
To be pretty honest I don't know exactly what are those much more important things, but suspect they exist (just remember VVM - if smbd lights stars - smbd needs this ;)).



I support him and got interested in finance law and taxation after reading his posts and listening to his interview on a radio... If I ever become a good professional in finance law I'll have to thank Alex. ;)
Do you think i'm just blind?
Well, I never said there will be NO positive side effects from the noise around his posts, and knowing finance laws very probably will help you a lot in the future... and therefore you're not blind already... ;)

MashaSashina
23-09-2011, 14:22
To be pretty honest I don't know exactly what are those much more important things, but suspect they exist (just remember VVM - if smbd lights stars - smbd needs this ;)).
I like VVM too (just remembered "Вам!"), and I think the current situation itself needs this star. ))

FatAndy
23-09-2011, 19:19
Maybe.

Strider
23-09-2011, 19:54
Underestimation of the counterpart is much worse than overestimation ;)

if some event in Russia can be explained either by someone's genius plan, or by stupidity/greediness/thievery then it always turns out to be the second one

you can't expect any smart people to be in Kremlin/Duma after decades of negative selection

ezik
23-09-2011, 20:22
It takes a certain kind of smartness to remain in power. A political status quo is not maintained by sheer stupidity. So, like it or not, it takes some skill to be successfully greedy and get away with it.

What I do find both logical (given the current political situation) but also highly irritating, is the fact that the automatic reaction to whistleblowers is to "shoot the messenger". Politically, that is not intelligent at all, unless your only mission is to stay in power.

A self-confident government, in my completely biased view, is better of facing criticism and using it for improvement, rather than killing the noise.

The same way as it is easy to dismiss Kremlin/Duma as stupid, the same way it is easy for them to render any critical person as someone attacking the state. Both sides underestimate each other and that is highly counter-productive, as there are problems enough to solve. Corruption being one of them.


if some event in Russia can be explained either by someone's genius plan, or by stupidity/greediness/thievery then it always turns out to be the second one

you can't expect any smart people to be in Kremlin/Duma after decades of negative selection

Strider
23-09-2011, 20:27
It takes a certain kind of smartness to remain in power.
in this situation it would be criminal smartness

FatAndy
23-09-2011, 20:30
1) Look wider
2) Exactly. But they're still able to hire ones ;)

if some event in Russia can be explained either by someone's genius plan, or by stupidity/greediness/thievery then it always turns out to be the second one

you can't expect any smart people to be in Kremlin/Duma after decades of negative selection

ezik
23-09-2011, 20:43
In that case, it is even more important not to underestimate. After all, they won't play the (political) game on your terms but on theirs.


in this situation it would be criminal smartness