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sis
19-06-2011, 08:29
I joined this forum last December, so I donít really know the full story, so please correct me if I am wrong somewhere. From what I can gather this is the story:

There is a forum called redtape.ru, which was started by Len, or Moscow Mail, who at some stage was also working in some way for expat.ru. They stole the email list, and some posters, and went to make their own forum.

From what I can gather the boss of this expat.ru forum is Ezhik. So when competition started up I guess Ezhik was not too happy.

Recently a new bar, Shooters opened in Moscow. One of the owners of the bar is Moscow Mail. Some money has obviously changed hands, Ezhik and Moscow Mail seem to have put their differences aside, and Ezhik is now one of the most enthusiastic supporters of Shooters.

So now to the point. If the big boys have sorted out their difficulties, why dont you join the 2 forums together?

From what I can gather there are a few posters on expat that these redtape people dont like, and vice versa. Maybe it would be best to sacrifice Willy, and join the 2 forums together?

mattology
19-06-2011, 11:55
...but only if the format of the forum is based on expat.ru - to me the forum system/software that is used on redtape is too complicated, too overloaded and just not user-friendly :10168:

However, I strongly believe that this will not happen. Why? What would be the benefit, and secondly, what has the venue "Shooters" have to do with anything that happens on the forum? It's not like that bar is exclusively run for redtape members or expat.ru members... it is "just another bar & grill out there in Moscow", amongst thousands of other good places.

TolkoRaz
19-06-2011, 12:06
Maybe it would be best to sacrifice Willy, and join the 2 forums together?

:D

There is more than enough room for 2 sites, and possibly more. Both are run as separate businesses and entities by different owners, each having had subtsantial funds injected.

Why should the owners dilute their substantial investments? :confused:

Users can flit between both sites, or stick to the one they prefer :coffee:

The main thing is that it is not an 'us and them' issue, both sites 'compliment' one another and should continue to do so - and I mean that in both senses of the word! :)

ezik
19-06-2011, 12:30
I joined the forum crew (after doing content management) of Expat.ru in 2007, so I wasn't an admin at that time.

Len and some others had their reasons to start their own forum, which they did. There's a lot of overlap between the forums, but I think they are different on some points.

Being the forum admin doesn't mean being "the boss". Just, recently, I have decided to do more on Expat.ru's visibility, because I think all of us can benefit from being known as a big and active community. Expat cards are one example.

I've been supporting Shooters as they came with a good proposition, which, in my view, worked out well. I liked the party, it has been a good co-operation. MoscowMail being a partner in Shooters and being one of the founders of Redtape at the same time, for me, was not an objection. Actually, I found it rather irrelevant (which some don't agree with me on, but that's ok). I'm happy with the co-operation with Shooters so far, so there's a good chance we'll do something more.

As for Redtape: I think that both Redtape and Expat doing fine as they are. Redtape is not a competitor for Expat, because the overlap of members is so big. The atmoshpere on both forums is different, though, which makes a fusion in my view neither feasible nor desired.

As for sacrificing members: not an option, and it's not just Willy that is "here" and not "there".

Hope this clarifies things a bit! :)


I joined this forum last December, so I donít really know the full story, so please correct me if I am wrong somewhere. From what I can gather this is the story:

There is a forum called redtape.ru, which was started by Len, or Moscow Mail, who at some stage was also working in some way for expat.ru. They stole the email list, and some posters, and went to make their own forum.

From what I can gather the boss of this expat.ru forum is Ezhik. So when competition started up I guess Ezhik was not too happy.

Recently a new bar, Shooters opened in Moscow. One of the owners of the bar is Moscow Mail. Some money has obviously changed hands, Ezhik and Moscow Mail seem to have put their differences aside, and Ezhik is now one of the most enthusiastic supporters of Shooters.

So now to the point. If the big boys have sorted out their difficulties, why dont you join the 2 forums together?

From what I can gather there are a few posters on expat that these redtape people dont like, and vice versa. Maybe it would be best to sacrifice Willy, and join the 2 forums together?

AndrewUSA
19-06-2011, 14:18
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...yawn.....zzzzz

That's all fine and dandy, but if you want Shooters to really develop into a hotspot, increase our discount there to at least 20% off...25% would be more fair...and better for your biz.

Goodluck.

BrandonL
19-06-2011, 14:21
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...yawn.....zzzzz

That's all fine and dandy, but if you want Shooters to really develop into a hotspot, increase our discount there to at least 20% off...25% would be more fair...and better for your biz.

Goodluck.

I think 10% is more then enough.

I've already told plenty of people, including students and friends about shooters! They all said they will check it out.
The discount means nothing to me. The atmosphere the staff and owners are wonderful that's why they will get my business

franzewich
19-06-2011, 15:34
I do like the idea of sacrificing Willy...

... and I'm sure you find enough people here who will provide you with a cross, a hammer and three nails! :)

ezik
19-06-2011, 16:02
I'm not developing Shooters into a hotspot. I'm not a partner of Shooters. And I don't decide on discounts of Shooters or any other place.

Suggest you have a coffee and re-read my previous post.


Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...yawn.....zzzzz

That's all fine and dandy, but if you want Shooters to really develop into a hotspot, increase our discount there to at least 20% off...25% would be more fair...and better for your biz.

Goodluck.

Willy
19-06-2011, 16:18
I'm not developing Shooters into a hotspot. I'm not a partner of Shooters. And I don't decide on discounts of Shooters or any other place.

Suggest you have a coffee and re-read my previous post.


Don't worry it just kind of sounded like that because you wanted the party to be great for all the expat members.Those who know you will understand that you are first for expat.ru and it's members.

Willy
19-06-2011, 17:31
I just read your other post Ezik,

"Originally Posted by Willy
If you are talking about me Ezik I am not spitting on your party, I was hoping it would be good just for the expat.ru. I will tell the truth about Len, Jean and their bar.

That's your truth. My truth (or, rather, opinion) that the place is OK and that, as with every party, some things could have gone better. Fact is that everyone did their best and slagging off the host is not polite. Certainly not in a thread about an event that you did NOT attend. A good party is also a good feeling afterwards. I had it and it is slowly turning into a hangover this way.

Your problems with Jean, Len and Shooters are yours. Make an own thread to discuss it. Better probably if you guys sort this off-line by having a chat.


Originally Posted by Willy
I told you before about this place and you didn't believe me but what has happened? People said it was too stuffy in there and the sound wasn't good.

You were not at the party you are not in a position to have any verdict about it. People are perfectly able to express themselves.


Originally Posted by Willy
I can see you wanting to defend your choice to have this party there and maybe it was good from the point of veiw that people got together and met. But it was the people of expat that made your party good not Shooters.


Sorry but you will see that I'm right.

I repeat: You were not at the party you are not in a position to have any verdict about it. Of course it is people who make a party a succes. And the place where it is held. And people who put in their effort to contribute to the succes, while not even part of the organisation, like:
- The DJ, Jessvica. She and her friends played for around 6 hours, the last DJ standing till the last guest.
- Someone like Darya.Alexandrovna: helping out on the evening itself, arranging Lera how did the Latin Dance classes.

Finally: I don't feel I need to defend my choice or anything else."







I didn't say anything about your party I said it about Shooters sorry if you confused the two or by me not liking your choice of venue. I think I have a right to decied what places, people and things I can like and where and when I will go.. I did try to meet with Jean and forget that Len is a part of Shooters for you and this site. I know you did your best with what you had to work with and it's great that Darya and DJ, Jessvica.helped out and did a good job but as I wasn't going to go so I did see the need for me to help, sorry I did try and I did tell you about the things people complained about before this party happened.

I also hope that you will look into Len's threats against me and at very lest give him a warning if not a ban.

Shooters
19-06-2011, 17:34
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...yawn.....zzzzz

That's all fine and dandy, but if you want Shooters to really develop into a hotspot, increase our discount there to at least 20% off...25% would be more fair...and better for your biz.

Goodluck.

Well, to show you that I really care of you Expat.ru guys, here is our updated offer:

At Shooters, EXPAT.RU card holders will get:


10% discount on all (food and drinks) menu,
becomes now
20% discount on all (food and drinks) menu


plus

A complimentary champagne glass for ladies, a free "Shooters" beer for men, for all bills from 600 rub net by person.

plus

Reservation of tables without deposit


Of course, as usual, these offers do not come in addition of other offers (happy hours, biz lunches, coupons, other discounts etc)

But do not ask now 25 or 30%, it won't succeed :)

About the second point, the glass will be brought to you after the waitress has registered your order.


Voila! I invite Ezik to update his list of Partners offers :)
(For technical reasons this will be effective tomorrow Monday from noon)

TolkoRaz
19-06-2011, 19:55
sorry I did try and I did tell you about the things people complained about before this party happened.

Isn't it amazing how Willy ALWAYS knows best? :confused:

Anybody would think that with such a talent, he would be a successfully rich and powerful businessman! :confused1:

alouette
19-06-2011, 20:05
Shooters? A very good promotion. Congratulations!

soprty
19-06-2011, 20:56
From what I can gather there are a few posters on expat that these redtape people dont like, and vice versa. Maybe it would be best to sacrifice Willy, and join the 2 forums together?

I cannot believe this is even on someone's mind..sacrifice a poster to unite two forums? For what purpose?? My opinion (and allow me to express it) is that ON ONE should be sacrificed in any way. Disagree if you want but I will never change my mind that this should not happen!

Also, I think it is a great idea to have the party and thank the organizers very much for their work but I wanted to know why events need to take place in basements. There are probably well over 10,000 bars in Moscow and I am sure that something more suitable can be found. Anyway, I still am very much appreciative of the great work so this should not be considered a complaint but simply a suggestion.

Dicorp
19-06-2011, 21:07
Another thread on Shooters, Redtape and Expatru?

Holy crap guys.

Just let it be. Shooter's is a decent place, considering they just opened. Let them work out the bugs and if you like it, support them. Time will tell where it goes.

moscowmail
19-06-2011, 21:13
I would like to clear a point or 2

Willy stated he has known me for years, as usual when he speaks it is crap, he tried out for a band I had some years ago, his drumming was adequate but the rest of the band hated hs arrogant attitude, so he did nit become part f the band, I was not there at the time, so willy don't pretend and lie as you always do

Secondly I haven't threatened you, I dont threaten mentally I'll people, which unfortunately, this is what you are, I think the reason you stay here is if yo went back to the US you would be committed immediately


Finally Willy, you are such a professional at other peoples businesses, but you are a failure, you tried a bar, failed, you can't get a proper jib, you use women for their money,you sponge off people for food, drinks etc and don't even show them any gratitude

Regarding the original thread, Ezik pretty much explained it well, what surprises me here is that Ezik worked his bollocks off to get this party and it takes only a few fools to think they can have a go at me or shooters which spoils the awesome job he did


Ezik, from my heart, well done.


My request, if you want to have a go at me, or shooters, use a different thread instead of implying he has some part in shooters etc, he hasn't except for our gratitude for making our job easier

TolkoRaz
19-06-2011, 21:21
I would like to clear a point or 2

Willy stated he has known me for years, as usual when he speaks it is crap, he tried out for a band I had some years ago, his drumming was adequate but the rest of the band hated hs arrogant attitude, so he did nit become part f the band, I was not there at the time, so willy don't pretend and lie as you always do

Secondly I haven't threatened you, I dont threaten mentally I'll people, which unfortunately, this is what you are, I think the reason you stay here is if yo went back to the US you would be committed immediately


Finally Willy, you are such a professional at other peoples businesses, but you are a failure, you tried a bar, failed, you can't get a proper jib, you use women for their money,you sponge off people for food, drinks etc and don't even show them any gratitude

Regarding the original thread, Ezik pretty much explained it well, what surprises me here is that Ezik worked his bollocks off to get this party and it takes only a few fools to think they can have a go at me or shooters which spoils the awesome job he did


Ezik, from my heart, well done.


My request, if you want to have a go at me, or shooters, use a different thread instead of implying he has some part in shooters etc, he hasn't except for our gratitude for making our job easier

And here endeth the lesson :) As it now seems that we have the story straight, the thread should be closed by those who have the powers to stop Willy typing more lies & hatred and creating a mountain out of a molehill.

Nothing is perfect in life - He should understand that more than most! :bookworm: ;)

Dicorp
19-06-2011, 21:48
Moscowmail and Shooters, i think you guys need to just stop responding to Willy.
Or if you actually know of his whereabouts, meet him or contact him to do so and squash this beef you have going.

I'm relatively new on the forum and i enjoy it alot, but this crap about your former band(s), Redtape, Willy and now Shooters is really getting old. And i'm sure it's also offputing to new members who have absolutely no idea what's the past between you two and Willy and yet that's all they read when they log on.

You're old grown men, sort this out and stop flooding the forum. Seriously.

Thank you.

Willy
20-06-2011, 00:46
I would like to clear a point or 2

Willy stated he has known me for years, as usual when he speaks it is crap, he tried out for a band I had some years ago, his drumming was adequate but the rest of the band hated hs arrogant attitude, so he did nit become part f the band, I was not there at the time, so willy don't pretend and lie as you always do

Secondly I haven't threatened you, I dont threaten mentally I'll people, which unfortunately, this is what you are, I think the reason you stay here is if yo went back to the US you would be committed immediately


Finally Willy, you are such a professional at other peoples businesses, but you are a failure, you tried a bar, failed, you can't get a proper jib, you use women for their money,you sponge off people for food, drinks etc and don't even show them any gratitude

Regarding the original thread, Ezik pretty much explained it well, what surprises me here is that Ezik worked his bollocks off to get this party and it takes only a few fools to think they can have a go at me or shooters which spoils the awesome job he did


Ezik, from my heart, well done.


My request, if you want to have a go at me, or shooters, use a different thread instead of implying he has some part in shooters etc, he hasn't except for our gratitude for making our job easier



See Len this is where you went wrong because people that know you will know that I never played with your band so your lying out your a*s. I also like your slip "mentally I'll" yes you are. You want to make out like your some big guy but if you were you wouldn't play these kiddy games and if you weren't drunk you wouldn't be writing like Bels. I am glad you did just as I knew you would and come on here and make yourself look like the lying cheating a*s you are. You picked the worst place in Moscow to put a bar and I know it will fail 100%



TolkoRaz, it maybe ugly but I get things done.

You see I got nothing to lose and nothing to gain.

Len though?

TolkoRaz
20-06-2011, 00:51
See Len this is where you went wrong because people that know you will know that I never played with your band so your lying out your a*s. I also like your slip "mentally I'll" yes you are. You want to make out like your some big guy but if you were you wouldn't play these kiddy games and if you weren't drunk you wouldn't be writing like Bels. I am glad you did just as I knew you would and come on here and make yourself look like the lying cheating a*s you are. You picked the worst place in Moscow to put a bar and I know it will fail 100%



TolkoRaz, it maybe ugly but I get things done.

You see I got nothing to lose and nothing to gain.

Len though?

:bookworm:

Willy
20-06-2011, 01:26
Yeah I've had enough, I can't believe you people want to keep this going, you win. Your great Tolko Raz and Len is not some drunken slob and everyone should go to Shooters even if they did steal the name and put it in a stuffy basement it's still the greatest place in Moscow.


Yeah you guys finally got to me, nothing that drives me more nuts than idiotic childish behavior. Now I'm going to find a group of the dirtiest nastiest homeless people pull down my pants bend over and yell "Spilly Villy" and if I am still alive after being anally gang raped I will just keep banging my head on the ground until open my skull enough to let my brains fall out.

Or maybe someone can just shoot me? Please? I never begged for food but I'm begging you now, kill me!

Willy
20-06-2011, 01:40
Please watch and I hope you understand.


YouTube - ‪Tooter The Turtle - The Unteachables‬‏

ezik
20-06-2011, 02:23
Again, if your were not at the party, you are not entitled to a verdict.
Again, this is not the thread to ventilate personal frustrations.

Not is "getting done" by you, Willy, by slagging off people like Len. Len, FYI is one of the persons who worked his a$$ off to make this party what it was. I think that many bar staff don't see their boss often participating like this. Same for Jean, he was keeping an eye on everything, trying to make it as good as it could be. And they were both right: if you get this party, you try to make it good.

I'm absolutely tired of people slagging of a party they didn't attend. If you were not there, don't pretend you were or that you know better.

BTW at all times I've been at Shooters, including the night of the party, Len was sober. So was Jean. This includes each and every of the many sessions we had to get this party prepared.

Len told he is mailing from his mobile from the hospital, so it explains the typos. Earlier typos come from his iPad, to which Len fully admitted.

How many times have you dealt with Jean and Len recently, Willy? Once? Only with Jean? I've been going to the place often. Often enough to get to know the personnel too. Do you think I would organise a party at a sh*tty place?

The point is this: you could have your band performing, fully paid, at this night and you declined. Instead, we booked a DJ and a professional latin dance instructor. At half of the price of your band. You were offered a good gig. It's you who declined. I had you in mind as the main gig, and then you said you wouldn't do it, when I already had posted that an expat band would perform. Just because you have something against Len???

Up to you to act like this, but I did offer you a gig, dude. You said NO. Not me.

If you want the best for the forum, which you claim and I don't doubt, you need to be a bit more constructive.

Also, except from my own annoyance, the mod team is getting complaints from people about your behaviour. If you want to help this community, be constructive. Instead of destructive.




See Len this is where you went wrong because people that know you will know that I never played with your band so your lying out your a*s. I also like your slip "mentally I'll" yes you are. You want to make out like your some big guy but if you were you wouldn't play these kiddy games and if you weren't drunk you wouldn't be writing like Bels. I am glad you did just as I knew you would and come on here and make yourself look like the lying cheating a*s you are. You picked the worst place in Moscow to put a bar and I know it will fail 100%



TolkoRaz, it maybe ugly but I get things done.

You see I got nothing to lose and nothing to gain.

Len though?

Willy
20-06-2011, 04:08
Again, if your were not at the party, you are not entitled to a verdict.
Again, this is not the thread to ventilate personal frustrations.

Not is "getting done" by you, Willy, by slagging off people like Len. Len, FYI is one of the persons who worked his a$$ off to make this party what it was. I think that many bar staff don't see their boss often participating like this. Same for Jean, he was keeping an eye on everything, trying to make it as good as it could be. And they were both right: if you get this party, you try to make it good.

I'm absolutely tired of people slagging of a party they didn't attend. If you were not there, don't pretend you were or that you know better.

BTW at all times I've been at Shooters, including the night of the party, Len was sober. So was Jean. This includes each and every of the many sessions we had to get this party prepared.

Len told he is mailing from his mobile from the hospital, so it explains the typos. Earlier typos come from his iPad, to which Len fully admitted.

How many times have you dealt with Jean and Len recently, Willy? Once? Only with Jean? I've been going to the place often. Often enough to get to know the personnel too. Do you think I would organise a party at a sh*tty place?

The point is this: you could have your band performing, fully paid, at this night and you declined. Instead, we booked a DJ and a professional latin dance instructor. At half of the price of your band. You were offered a good gig. It's you who declined. I had you in mind as the main gig, and then you said you wouldn't do it, when I already had posted that an expat band would perform. Just because you have something against Len???

Up to you to act like this, but I did offer you a gig, dude. You said NO. Not me.

If you want the best for the forum, which you claim and I don't doubt, you need to be a bit more constructive.

Also, except from my own annoyance, the mod team is getting from people about your behaviour. If you want to help this community, be constructive. Instead of destructive.



Why do you keep going off about me not going to the party?

You could have a great party in a fu*king bathroom if you have the right people.

I never said the party was bad I'm only saying that Shooters has problems and there is a good reason why the last two places there failed.


I went and talked to Jean and tried to forget how much people like Len bug me. After looking at the place I knew it wouldn't a good place for live music and I'd have to bring too much stuff for a band to do a good job. Then Jean couldn't wait for me to write someting good like I was told and I was going to write something good about the burger, but then I read what he writes and I see he's just like all the rest.

As far as complaints to your mod team, I've also got complaints about AstartD and drtnsnw, I can send you the pm's. Why they don't complaint to the mods I don't know maybe because they're from Russians and they think nothing will be done or maybe they have sent them to the mod team and nothing was done. Yeah I know, no mod bashing right but I am not the only one who thinks that Fatandy and martpark are bais and trying to push their own morals on us. That's just what makes redtape suck and what made this place much better. I told you too get more mods and have them enforce the rules for everybody equally, not let some get away with thinks because you don't like what someone else thinks or believes. Get more mods and stop all the little nasty comments and the sumgness and condescending post, leave it for redtape, because if you let that little stuff go it just builds up and just gets more and more until people start threatening to kill each other. This place has been going that way for some time now and if you don't show people or yell your fu*cking head off nothing gets done.

You people think I'm nasty?

You want to tell me this drtnsnw, AstarD and Gypsy and others like them are good people?

No they're the same as I have been I just brought it to the extreme.

Now you people fix it and I'm not talking about just the mods here, I'm talking about all the members, when you see this stuff starting pm the person and ask them nicely to stop before it goes too far. This site is for helping people, not bashing Russia. Gypsy found out the hard way. The fu*cker got his family harassed and then he himself was mugged and no matter how tough you think you are they will get you when you can't even see it coming and there will be nothing you can do about a group of people wanting to hurt you.


I'm taking some time off, go ahead show me how wonderful you all are while I'm gone.

Ezik I don't need money and power to feel good about myself, I don't need to put people down either that's a redtape thing and why they keep saying that's what I'm doing. So missing out on some money because I didn't play your party means nothing to me. They want to sacrifice me for this forum, well I've been sacrificing myself for this forum and I think I did a good fu*king job too.

Wish you all well, and please try to get along.

sis
20-06-2011, 04:25
gets more and more until people start threatening to kill each other. This site is for helping people, not bashing Russia....

Gypsy found out the hard way. The fu*cker got his family harassed and then he himself was mugged

Willy old boy, I was joking. Nobody wants to sacrifice you.... You people take these forums too seriously.

bob
20-06-2011, 07:23
Well, to show you that I really care of you Expat.ru guys, here is our updated offer:

At Shooters, EXPAT.RU card holders will get:


10% discount on all (food and drinks) menu,
becomes now
20% discount on all (food and drinks) menu


plus

A complimentary champagne glass for ladies, a free "Shooters" beer for men, for all bills from 600 rub net by person.

plus

Reservation of tables without deposit


Of course, as usual, these offers do not come in addition of other offers (happy hours, biz lunches, coupons, other discounts etc)

But do not ask now 25 or 30%, it won't succeed :)

About the second point, the glass will be brought to you after the waitress has registered your order.


Voila! I invite Ezik to update his list of Partners offers :)
(For technical reasons this will be effective tomorrow Monday from noon)

When will the next window of opportunity open to get an expat.ru card ?

TolkoRaz
20-06-2011, 10:28
Yeah I've had enough, I can't believe you people want to keep this going, you win. Your great Tolko Raz and Len is not some drunken slob and everyone should go to Shooters even if they did steal the name and put it in a stuffy basement it's still the greatest place in Moscow.


Yeah you guys finally got to me, nothing that drives me more nuts than idiotic childish behavior. Now I'm going to find a group of the dirtiest nastiest homeless people pull down my pants bend over and yell "Spilly Villy" and if I am still alive after being anally gang raped I will just keep banging my head on the ground until open my skull enough to let my brains fall out.

Or maybe someone can just shoot me? Please? I never begged for food but I'm begging you now, kill me!

Will it be on YouTube? ;)

ferns1john
20-06-2011, 11:00
According to me both Expat $ Red Tape are good forums. I got a lot of useful information. The members on both forums are good. People share views, experiences, help each other with information etc thatís very help full.
But small requests from me donít make it commercialized; advertisements, promotions, different groups with in the forum etc avoid such things.

Thank you.

franzewich
20-06-2011, 13:01
... You people take these forums too seriously.

Fully agree with you! :iagree:

In a world which becomes increasingly virtual seems to me that Forums like this one are strangely substituting "real" social groups. Expectations for personal or moral support are set too high when people are in distress. And it is easy to come down on others, vent personal frustration when hiding behind the anonymity of an avatar. Maybe some people also set their expectations too high in this Forum, expect answers on personal issues for which they get bashed rather than supported? :(

Maybe some also expected too much from the Expat party and the events surrounding it? Unfortunately, I could not attend, either, so I can't really comment. But now I wonder whether it was actually an event where newcomers could be introduced and integrated, to turn this "virtual" community into a "real" one :question:

Willy
21-06-2011, 18:44
You are so full of garbage. You get on this forum and call people fat, ugly, stupid, etc. You try and portray yourself as the saviour of Russia and accuse everyone else of hating this country just because we like post things on here that sometimes make us scratch our heads and say "WTF?"
You talk about making it for yourself, yet when you were given an opportunity to EARN money, you declined. Easier just to mooch, right?
You get on these crazy rants of yours where the only right opinion is yours. You try to cozy up to people whom you have previously disagreed with and form little alliances a la "Survivor" to gang up on people who currently disagree with you. Safety in numbers, right?
You constantly trash your homeland, yet I don't see you going to the US consulate and renouncing your citizenship. Cooler to be a homeless American in Moscow than just an average bum, right? (Here or in the US)
Jean and Len at Shooters fed you. When they wouldn't feed you a second time, you turned on them. I helped you once and when I wouldn't help you a second time, you turned on me. Interesting pattern, no?
You constantly blast others for posting negative things on here, yet all one has to do is look through your posts and would be hard pressed to find a positive contribution.
Think about it.


let's check some of your threads shall we, nothing negitive here?


http://www.expat.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=327641

http://www.expat.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=325996

http://www.expat.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=323669


http://www.expat.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=312833


Do you really dream of planting bombs?

http://www.expat.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=315346

Your hate and obessions,

http://www.expat.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=314868

http://www.expat.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=309052


This one I like because it's a big lie, the bartender was you,

http://www.expat.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=229257


There's more for anyone to look and see.


I am alone here I don't see anyone helping me. You on the other hand have made friends with the people you claim to hate. mrzuzzo? I never watched Survivor" so I don't know what your talking about. TV rots your brain.

Why don't you go back and find the post about Jean and I so you will know the truth, Jean tried to trick me and use me just like you did with your "help".



Like I posted in the other thread, I gave up my U.S. citizenship long ago, like about 7 years ago. Glad I did too.


You just love to fight and argue don't you.

I know you won't stop. You will have to keep on posting in this thread.

You shpould just drop it. You look just as bad as I do.

AstarD
21-06-2011, 18:52
Stalkers will often denigrate their victims which reduces the victims to objects. This allows stalkers to feel angry at victims without experiencing empathy, or they may feel that they are entitled to behave as they please toward the victims. Viewing victims as "lesser," "weak" or otherwise seriously flawed can support delusions that the victims needs to be rescued, or punished, by the stalkers. Stalkers may slander or defame the character of their victims which may isolate the victims and give the stalkers more control or a feeling of power.

Willy
21-06-2011, 18:59
Stalkers will often denigrate their victims which reduces the victims to objects. This allows stalkers to feel angry at victims without experiencing empathy, or they may feel that they are entitled to behave as they please toward the victims. Viewing victims as "lesser," "weak" or otherwise seriously flawed can support delusions that the victims needs to be rescued, or punished, by the stalkers. Stalkers may slander or defame the character of their victims which may isolate the victims and give the stalkers more control or a feeling of power.


You just described drtnsnw to the T.

No more answers to this thread sorry.


Thread closed.

moscowmail
21-06-2011, 19:04
You just described drtnsnw to the T.

No more answers to this thread sorry.


Thread closed.

Denial, hmm I think probably other mental illness symptoms, willy, really, see a Dr, you are going to become a danger to yourself and others soon


Guys, don't feed him, no matter what he says, he does actually believe it, I thought maybe he was just winding people up, but nope, my suggestion, ignore him

Willy
21-06-2011, 19:18
He amuses me.


Ok one more since you have so much fun.

He's the pm's between Jean and I.

Re: jean :)


Well Willy I am not here to listen at war messages between X and Y, so if you wanna have a drink with me, you are welcome. But no war at all in the bar, LOL ))) And I will be happy too, to offer you to test our wonderful burger

Re: jean :)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I know your not. I have heard only good things about you.

Jean you must know something about me. I'm now homeless and live on the street. I have no money (well 7 rubles is not having money) I haven't eaten for two days, I can't call you because there is very little money left of my phone and how would I get to Shooters? I could walk but I'm in the south of Moscow now it would take a few hours, but I have done it before. Tonight a friend wants me to play drums with him and tomorrow I have a gig at an open jam so maybe this weekend I coud stop by. No beer though you'll have to buy me a burger I only drink if I have a place to sleep.

I do wish you well, I just like to give Len shit, too bad too because I could help you with bands and maybe more.


Here's my number because I won't be calling but your welcome to call me. 8 903 *** ****








Originally Posted by Shooters
Just to have a beer And maybe to show you that I am not an awful redtaper )))


Originally Posted by Willy
Originally Posted by Shooters
Hi Willy,

I am Jean from Shooters, my phone is 8-964-705-**-15

Will be happy to meet with you, just call me whenever you want


Hi Jean,


Why would you want to do that?

AstarD
21-06-2011, 19:36
Dastardly deeds!

ezik
21-06-2011, 20:50
PMs are to remain private. It's not allowed to share messages that were shared to you privately on the forum, in public.

Now, as the numbers are blanked out and Jean is not being slandered, I'm leaving it to a warning.

But I really, really, fail to see the point why this should be shared.

And, before you making that point, I think that picking on people, getting ad hominem, trying to "expose" people (with over 36000 members you would have some work to do) is not the way to contribute to the forum, as you told me you want to.

We're onboarding more mods, so the point you made there is followed up upon. Shooters? Well, actually I found them fair and honest to deal with, and that includes MoscowMail. OK, he banned you. So what? You're still here. He's got a forum that is a direct competitor of this forum. So what?

More constructive, for everyone involved, is to direct your energy at something positive. It's far more satisfying.

What gets shielded by all the quarrelling is the fact that you are an experienced drummer, a music fan (we all enjoyed the Youtube posts you did when French Dvorik was still alive), probably a good promoter.

Picking on AstarD or Drtnsnw is not going to make you a living. Other stuff does.


Ok one more since you have so much fun.

He's the pm's between Jean and I.

BrandonL
21-06-2011, 22:22
Pie is better then cake!

Willy
21-06-2011, 22:45
PMs are to remain private. It's not allowed to share messages that were shared to you privately on the forum, in public.

Now, as the numbers are blanked out and Jean is not being slandered, I'm leaving it to a warning.

But I really, really, fail to see the point why this should be shared.

And, before you making that point, I think that picking on people, getting ad hominem, trying to "expose" people (with over 36000 members you would have some work to do) is not the way to contribute to the forum, as you told me you want to.

We're onboarding more mods, so the point you made there is followed up upon. Shooters? Well, actually I found them fair and honest to deal with, and that includes MoscowMail. OK, he banned you. So what? You're still here. He's got a forum that is a direct competitor of this forum. So what?

More constructive, for everyone involved, is to direct your energy at something positive. It's far more satisfying.

What gets shielded by all the quarrelling is the fact that you are an experienced drummer, a music fan (we all enjoyed the Youtube posts you did when French Dvorik was still alive), probably a good promoter.

Picking on AstarD or Drtnsnw is not going to make you a living. Other stuff does.



Yes you are right. I only followed them around here they never followed me and they never picked on me. My bad.

And you are right about Jean
I should have known nothing is free and that I would have to make a post here to pay for it, he is in biusness and needs to make money, I guess I help cost him 20% on all expat.ru bills, that's good enough for me.I did something any way.


Sorry if I got too pissed about drtnsnw's lying too, nothing I can do about it and it really doesn't matter. He can say what he wants I know the truth. He will show his true self over time.


And it wasn't youtube post that I used, it was the guess the song thread. The youtube was just my style, I think in trems of songs because I have so much music in my head. I know the memory fades as we get older.



You know when you have a problem with someone always look at yourself first and see if it 's you and not them.

And,

Your best defence in any fight is to avoid fighting.

moscowmail
21-06-2011, 23:55
I can't resist, you really are stupid, you can't even read properly

Willy, you are one f the saddest, pitiful idiots I have ever seen

Do you really think anyone believes the tripe that you spout....

Wow, you have chased some good people off this site, why? Because you are stupid and do not read what people say

I do mean this as an insult and I know you will not read this pat properly

I am dyslexic, you are just plain dumb



Yes you are right. I only followed them around here they never followed me and they never picked on me. My bad.

And you are right about Jean
I should have known nothing is free and that I would have to make a post here to pay for it, he is in biusness and needs to make money, I guess I help cost him 20% on all expat.ru bills, that's good enough for me.I did something any way.


Sorry if I got too pissed about drtnsnw's lying too, nothing I can do about it and it really doesn't matter. He can say what he wants I know the truth. He will show his true self over time.


And it wasn't youtube post that I used, it was the guess the song thread. The youtube was just my style, I think in trems of songs because I have so much music in my head. I know the memory fades as we get older.



You know when you have a problem with someone always look at yourself first and see if it 's you and not them.

And,

Your best defence in any fight is to avoid fighting.

FatAndy
22-06-2011, 00:25
Well, it depends on dimensions of both! ;)

Pie is better then cake!

BrandonL
22-06-2011, 00:30
Well, it depends on dimensions of both! ;)

nope! The Pie is better then the cake!))

FatAndy
22-06-2011, 00:47
NO!!! Big cake = big pie!
:D

BrandonL
22-06-2011, 00:53
NO!!! Big cake = big pie!
:D

I'm Sorry Andy, big pie > big cake! Small pie > big cake!)))

Bels
22-06-2011, 00:53
Briefly looking at the number of posts here I have no idea what on earth SHOTERS IS. And to be honest I don't want to know. There are loads of expat sites on the website, and this new Shooters must simply be another one I guess. I just don't want to know, and it is simple as that.

But I am aware of Redtape. And I do do remember the history of a split-up between Expat.ru and Redtape. Now let us be fair about this, expat.ru is much stronger than Redtape. So why not let us get back together bonded as one, ans let Expat.ru continue having the stongest position in Russia as the number one forum. It already is, so give up and join together in expat.ru as one.

ezik
22-06-2011, 01:19
Bels, Shooters may be "another one", but it at least it is one that gave a fair deal. Before booking Shooters, I had several propositions. All gave a fixed price and little information about what we would get for it, especially as it was a Friday night involved. Shooters offered transparency in their offer, something which I found a relief. Shooters was picked with care.

Redtape, in terms of traffic, is not a competitor. Expat is in the top 100.000 of over 200.000.000 websites, which means we belong to the 0.1 percent of the world most busiest sites. Redtape, in terms of traffic, gets only 10% of what Expat gets. Expat is the stronger brand and finally we're doing something with this fact, hence our card and more frequent events.

Looking at the reasons behind Redtape evolving and what the site is now, a merger (if anyone would want something like that anyway) is not appropriate. Redtape serves a specific part of the online Expat community. The fact that Expat is bigger doesn't mean they should give up. On the contrary: it is healthy to have some competition!

Any Redtape member is welcome here, but it is clear that some prefer a specific community that best fits their moods and opinion. As there is no need to merge, I think we should be happy with the diversity. It's a different community, with different policies. Some people feel more happy with Redtape and it obviously gives them enough traffic to move one. I'm happy with that and have nothing against it.


Briefly looking at the number of posts here I have no idea what on earth SHOTERS IS. And to be honest I don't want to know. There are loads of expat sites on the website, and this new Shooters must simply be another one I guess. I just don't want to know, and it is simple as that.

But I am aware of Redtape. And I do do remember the history of a split-up between Expat.ru and Redtape. Now let us be fair about this, expat.ru is much stronger than Redtape. So why not let us get back together bonded as one, ans let Expat.ru continue having the stongest position in Russia as the number one forum. It already is, so give up and join together in expat.ru as one.

Willy
22-06-2011, 01:50
I can't resist, you really are stupid, you can't even read properly

Willy, you are one f the saddest, pitiful idiots I have ever seen

Do you really think anyone believes the tripe that you spout....

Wow, you have chased some good people off this site, why? Because you are stupid and do not read what people say

I do mean this as an insult and I know you will not read this pat properly

I am dyslexic, you are just plain dumb


Well Len if you could spell properly I might be able to make heads or tails of what you say, but since you have an excuse "dyslexic" I won't take this as an insult I'll just have to assume that since you are "dysiexic" you are not able to read what I write so there for are exsqueezed from me being insulted by your post.


I'm so glad that's cleared up!

I always thought he knew what he was doing.

ezik
22-06-2011, 02:06
exsqueezed

I fail here as a non-native speaker.

Anyway, if the skies have cleared now, let's move on to something positive.

Oh, and I am serious.

Any beef between Willy and MoscowMail are to be taken care off somewhere, but not on this forum. Bury the axe, gentlemen. You two should have a coffee together. All the intrigues are entertaining to some, maybe, but in the end it's really degrading.

It's up to you to stop this before I do.

Willy
22-06-2011, 15:13
I fail here as a non-native speaker.

Anyway, if the skies have cleared now, let's move on to something positive.

Oh, and I am serious.

Any beef between Willy and MoscowMail are to be taken care off somewhere, but not on this forum. Bury the axe, gentlemen. You two should have a coffee together. All the intrigues are entertaining to some, maybe, but in the end it's really degrading.

It's up to you to stop this before I do.


Ah, so now you my see my point that FatAndy couldn't understand all a native speaker would say. I know if I was speaking to an American friend we could talk in such a way that he and maybe you wouldn't understand us, yet he is very quick with deleting post or finding offense where a native speaker may not. I know FatAndy is a nice guy, I thought it was good he became a mod when he was first picked and he has helped a lot here and I think Russians can help us get along in Russia more so than expats, but now I see that he wants to push his morals on us, same goes for martpark who can be very opinoinated which I think helps his decision to delete post or give infractions, he can be very one sided. Letting those he likes or those against who he doesn't like get away with more. This is not good for the forum and he'll have to deal with those members at a later date when their use to him is no longer needed. Think of it as buddying up with Osama bin Ladin. This is what I like about you, you have a much better sense of fairness and even if you don't agree with someone you still stand for their right to say it you leave your feeling out of it and your not a prude. This is what you need when you have the judge, jury and executioner all rolled into one.

There should be an instigator rule here too, like when Tolko Raz called Russian Lad a chicken. What did you want Russian Lad to do say, thanks for the complement? Where I come from them's fightin' words and an insult to any man. What happened to Tolko Raz? I don't think anything. Russian Lad was wrong to fall for it but Tolko Raz was was wrong for name calling. Maybe we could have a list of names people can call each other that's ok? Or maybe any name calling no matter how slight will get you a warning? Toko Raz should have been banned along with Russian Lad. We have instigators on here now that are free to follow people they don't like and make snide comments all over the threads they are not even involved in, I thought that was called "trolling" so why does he still do it?

moscowmail doesn't bother me so much, I just think it's funny that he can start foaming at the mouth so easily and he can't be man enough to be the first to let things go but makes himself out to be a good man. I'm the scummy low life musician remember. I stopped replying to his theartening pm's and I can not reply to him on the boards too. I bet you he can't, he'll have to reply to this post but yeah for the forum I can stop. I don't care who wins we both look like losers.

So exsqueeze me is just a funny pronunciation of excuse me.


Here's a song for ya Ezik,


YouTube - ‪Squeeze - Cool for Cats - TOTP (with the dancing girls)‬‏

xSnoofovich
22-06-2011, 15:28
So exsqueeze me..............



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne's_World_(film)

Wayne Campbell: Ex-squeeze me? Baking powder?

-----------


Garth Algar: Hey Phil, if you're gonna spew, spew into this.


----------

Stacy: Happy anniversary, Wayne.
Wayne Campbell: Stacy, we broke up two months ago.
Stacy: Well, that doesn't mean we can't still go out, does it?
Wayne Campbell: Well, it does actually, that's what breaking up is.


-----------

Stacy: Well, don't you want to open your present?
Wayne Campbell: If it's a severed head I'm going to be very upset
Stacy: Open it.
Wayne Campbell: What is it?
Stacy: It's a gun rack.
Wayne Campbell: A gun rack... a gun rack. I don't even own *a* gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate an entire rack. What am I gonna do... with a gun rack?
Stacy: You don't like it? Fine. You know Wayne, if you're not careful, you're going to lose me.
Wayne Campbell: I lost you 2 months ago. We broke up. Are you mental? Get the net!

Willy
22-06-2011, 16:01
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne's_World_(film)

Wayne Campbell: Ex-squeeze me? Baking powder?

-----------


Garth Algar: Hey Phil, if you're gonna spew, spew into this.


----------

Stacy: Happy anniversary, Wayne.
Wayne Campbell: Stacy, we broke up two months ago.
Stacy: Well, that doesn't mean we can't still go out, does it?
Wayne Campbell: Well, it does actually, that's what breaking up is.


-----------

Stacy: Well, don't you want to open your present?
Wayne Campbell: If it's a severed head I'm going to be very upset
Stacy: Open it.
Wayne Campbell: What is it?
Stacy: It's a gun rack.
Wayne Campbell: A gun rack... a gun rack. I don't even own *a* gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate an entire rack. What am I gonna do... with a gun rack?
Stacy: You don't like it? Fine. You know Wayne, if you're not careful, you're going to lose me.
Wayne Campbell: I lost you 2 months ago. We broke up. Are you mental? Get the net!


Where you from?

Canada or the states?


Sorry I have an ear inf*cktion and I c*nt hear you.




YouTube - ‪Movie Scene - Wayne's World - Bohemian Rhapsody‬‏

BrandonL
22-06-2011, 16:21
Ok, Seriously...


Let's just drop this crap, it's been going on for over a week, and people are way to stubborn to let this just die.

So let's end it now, Stop with this childish nonsense and behavior, Let's all act our age, and drop it.

Thanks

Willy
22-06-2011, 16:44
From Willy-
"There should be an instigator rule here too, like when Tolko Raz called Russian Lad a chicken. What did you want Russian Lad to do say, thanks for the complement? Where I come from them's fightin' words and an insult to any man. What happened to Tolko Raz? I don't think anything. Russian Lad was wrong to fall for it but Tolko Raz was was wrong for name calling. Maybe we could have a list of names people can call each other that's ok? Or maybe any name calling no matter how slight will get you a warning? Toko Raz should have been banned along with Russian Lad. We have instigators on here now that are free to follow people they don't like and make snide comments all over the threads they are not even involved in, I thought that was called "trolling" so why does he still do it?"

Or like when you call TolkoRaz a babykiller? Or when you call AstarD fat and ugly? Or Moscowmail a drunk?
Pot, kettle... you know the rest...



"Crazy says what?"

"I know you are but what am I?"

You know it's so easy to make you act like a child.


Just because I say it does that make it ok for anyone else?

And if you must know I only called Tolko Raz a baby killer because of what he did to Russian Lad.

How should I discribed someone who is fat?

Maybe over weight and not too pleasing to the eye?

weight challenged?

extra large?

Jumbo sized?

It's her problem if she doesn't like me and what I do, I really think she tries to bother me because deep down she wants me to f*ck the sh*t out of her but she thinks she has no chance.

Why can't you be a man and stop all this?

Why must it be left up to the scummy homeless guy?

I mean you all know better right?

Yeah ok, Itried to say I would leave but you got scrared you'd have nobody to play with.

Sorry game over.

YouTube - ‪The Hayes Boys - She's Too Fat For Me Polka‬‏

Willy
22-06-2011, 16:46
Ok, Seriously...


Let's just drop this crap, it's been going on for over a week, and people are way to stubborn to let this just die.

So let's end it now, Stop with this childish nonsense and behavior, Let's all act our age, and drop it.

Thanks



Brandon love your sig man!

Willy
22-06-2011, 17:17
or maybe you don't like her because she wouldn't give you a place to stay more likely.



Ah ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,

Can't stop can you?

Yeah that's it.

Happy?

AstarD
22-06-2011, 17:19
How should I discribed someone who is fat?

Maybe over weight and not too pleasing to the eye?

weight challenged?

extra large?

Jumbo sized?

It's her problem if she doesn't like me and what I do, I really think she tries to bother me because deep down she wants me to f*ck the sh*t out of her but she thinks she has no chance.

:rofl:Willy, I keep telling you that I'm not going to send you my picture. :redcard:Give it up!

FatAndy
22-06-2011, 17:26
http://1000plastinok.net/covers/crop/661.jpg

mrzuzzo
22-06-2011, 17:51
I still just want to know what prevents you from getting a job. Since you renounced your US citizenship and became a Russian national, why not just get a job?

Because work is the result of American capitalistic greed and having a job would mean supporting that consipracy, didn't you know?

Willy
22-06-2011, 17:55
:rofl:Willy, I keep telling you that I'm not going to send you my picture. :redcard:Give it up!




I've seen your photo on your linkedin page Jen, no need to post it.

I want you to post it for others to see.

You've seen mine. Isn't this what cause a big deal over on redtape?

You know why I posted it there?

Because after posting it here on expat one of your female members just had to meet me and another member got all hot about it and wanted me to post it there too. I got a lot of pm's for posting this on expat.ru

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/drumphotodump/067.jpg


Let the fun begin

franzewich
22-06-2011, 18:08
... I got a lot of pm's for posting this on expat.ru
... Let the fun begin

Wow! I'm sure you will get a lot more PMs now from the ladies on this forum! ;)

Btw: women below 30 admire clean shaven bodies! Like those guys on the deodorant commercials! We call them "Deodeppen" in Germany. Hope your razor won't clog up! :)

franzewich
22-06-2011, 18:10
... double posted - stupid slow PC! Sorry!

franzewich
22-06-2011, 18:13
... and if there are more ladies than you can handle - give them my number!

Willy
22-06-2011, 18:18
Wow! I'm sure you will get a lot more PMs now from the ladies on this forum! ;)

Btw: women below 30 admire clean shaven bodies! Like those guys on the deodorant commercials! We call them "Deodeppen" in Germany. Hope your razor won't clog up! :)



I only shave my balls is that ok?

Tony P
22-06-2011, 18:23
like those guys on the deodorant commercials!

I went to get some deodorant the other day.

The girl asked what type I wanted - spray or ball type.

I said just for under my arms.


Have I missed out on something in life?

franzewich
22-06-2011, 18:27
I only shave my balls is that ok?

You can shave whatever you want. :) Ask the ladies - I don't fancy you; and don't cut yourself! ;)

franzewich
22-06-2011, 18:31
I went to get some deodorant the other day.

The girl asked what type I wanted - spray or ball type.

I said just for under my arms.


Have I missed out on something in life?

You should have asked her to demonstrate it on you - but with the full promise! ;)

mrzuzzo
22-06-2011, 18:43
I've seen your photo on your linkedin page Jen, no need to post it.

LinkedIn??? Isn't that that website where people search for a job? What were you doing on that horrible and naughty site?

AstarD
22-06-2011, 18:50
And the best part is that I don't even have a LinkedIn page!

Willy
22-06-2011, 18:51
Because work is the result of American capitalistic greed and having a job would mean supporting that consipracy, didn't you know?


I'm sorry but you still don't think of drumming as a job?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7518888.stm


I had a job from Nov to Feb where I worked everyday from 09:30 to 24:00 or later 7 days a week at a cafe. I ended up not getting paid for the last three months of that work. That's not working?

Willy
22-06-2011, 18:58
And the best part is that I don't even have a LinkedIn page!






How many editors do they have at S&P?

And by what you said in your Hot Seat it sure seems like you.

It was one of your "friends" who sent me the link anyway.

Your jchoward on redtape.

So you don't mind if I put up the link?

franzewich
22-06-2011, 19:05
...What CURRENTLY prevents you from getting a job?

Probably you! You keep him too busy defending himself! ;)

AstarD
22-06-2011, 19:09
So you don't mind if I put up the link?

Can anyone stop The Willy?20089

Willy
22-06-2011, 19:10
Probably you! You keep him too busy defending himself! ;)

Not any more he don't!

I wonder how long it will take him to get a clue?

Willy
22-06-2011, 19:12
Can anyone stop The Willy?20089




No you can, but all you have to say "yes it's okay if you post the link".

martpark
22-06-2011, 20:33
No you can, but all you have to say "yes it's okay if you post the link".

Willy, you know personal information is not allowed on the forum, so why press it?

TolkoRaz
22-06-2011, 22:27
I had a job from Nov to Feb where I worked everyday from 09:30 to 24:00 or later 7 days a week at a cafe. I ended up not getting paid for the last three months of that work. That's not working?

I assume that it had something to do with 'performance related pay'?

Willy
22-06-2011, 22:35
I assume that it had something to do with 'performance related pay'?



No it had to do with my friends father dying and the cafe running out of money.

franzewich
22-06-2011, 22:38
He can choose to ignore me and focus his efforts on getting a job and not being a sponge.

Look, I think everybody has the right to choose his/her lifestyle freely. Right?

I'm surprised that you as an American, from "The Land of The Free", seem to have trouble with this concept! Are you afraid that Willy is taking anything away from you, here in Russia :question: Bad enough that some of you guys came here to teach the "tumb" Russians how to understand the bible correctly, now you want to impose your conservativist views on life style, family, etc., too! :( Too many of you seem to believe that you won the cold war and "own" Russia now.

He is a free spirit, so let him be free! Do you envy him for that, no? I do! I wouldn't have the guts; neither would you or the rest who keep bashing him!

So why are you so concerned about him having a job or not? Do you have to pay his bills, feed his child? I guess not! Has he asked you to take on his responsibilities? I guess not! So WTF?

Btw., everybody can get screwed by his employer, even loose his job. Just happened to me. I lost more than just money, I lost part of my future. So I understand the situation he is in; at least I try.

He is simply having a hard time. I don't agree with or applaud to everything he writes, either. So take it easy, you have a job, you are in the stronger and better position anyway. Why keep poking the fingers in his wounds?

I never look down on anybody, unless I'm helping them up.

Willy
22-06-2011, 22:57
Look, I think everybody has the right to choose his/her lifestyle freely. Right?

I'm surprised that you as an American, from "The Land of The Free", seem to have trouble with this concept! Are you afraid that Willy is taking anything away from you, here in Russia :question: Bad enough that some of you guys came here to teach the "tumb" Russians how to understand the bible correctly, now you want to impose your conservativist views on life style, family, etc., too! :( Too many of you seem to believe that you won the cold war and "own" Russia now.

He is a free spirit, so let him be free! Do you envy him for that, no? I do! I wouldn't have the guts; neither would you or the rest who keep bashing him!

So why are you so concerned about him having a job or not? Do you have to pay his bills, feed his child? I guess not! Has he asked you to take on his responsibilities? I guess not! So WTF?

Btw., everybody can get screwed by his employer, even loose his job. Just happened to me. I lost more than just money, I lost part of my future. So I understand the situation he is in; at least I try.

He is simply having a hard time. I don't agree with or applaud to everything he writes, either. So take it easy, you have a job, you are in the stronger and better position anyway. Why keep poking the fingers in his wounds?

I never look down on anybody, unless I'm helping them up.



Wow, I'm touched. Very true words, the teaching part is just what I don't like about Americans here.

Sorry the thanks button only works once.

And you did it all with only two smiles!


Live free or die!

ezik
22-06-2011, 23:00
So no merger between Expat and Redtape, I guess.

BrandonL
22-06-2011, 23:12
I've seen your photo on your linkedin page Jen, no need to post it.

I want you to post it for others to see.

You've seen mine. Isn't this what cause a big deal over on redtape?

You know why I posted it there?

Because after posting it here on expat one of your female members just had to meet me and another member got all hot about it and wanted me to post it there too. I got a lot of pm's for posting this on expat.ru

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/drumphotodump/067.jpg


Let the fun begin

oh we posting sexy pictures now?)))


Oh, I'll post one!

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/466/z8109ae4d.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/z8109ae4d.jpg/)

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Here's a picture we did for a calendar for woman's day)

Willy
22-06-2011, 23:47
oh we posting sexy pictures now?)))


Oh, I'll post one!

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/466/z8109ae4d.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/z8109ae4d.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

Here's a picture we did for a calendar for woman's day)





Great who's next?

Bels
22-06-2011, 23:52
Is this a fantasy site. As I have never heard of it before, and as a member of expat.
ru I don't want to know.


Well, to show you that I really care of you Expat.ru guys, here is our updated offer:

At Shooters, EXPAT.RU card holders will get:


10% discount on all (food and drinks) menu,
becomes now
20% discount on all (food and drinks) menu


plus

A complimentary champagne glass for ladies, a free "Shooters" beer for men, for all bills from 600 rub net by person.

plus

Reservation of tables without deposit


Of course, as usual, these offers do not come in addition of other offers (happy hours, biz lunches, coupons, other discounts etc)

But do not ask now 25 or 30%, it won't succeed :)

About the second point, the glass will be brought to you after the waitress has registered your order.


Voila! I invite Ezik to update his list of Partners offers :)
(For technical reasons this will be effective tomorrow Monday from noon)

ezik
22-06-2011, 23:53
Great who's next?

Not me. You'll all have to do with the RT footage. Oh and the movie I'm in that's showing in autumn.

Willy
22-06-2011, 23:59
Not me. You'll all have to do with the RT footage. Oh and the movie I'm in that's showing in autumn.



Wow a real movie star!


Any love seans?

Bels
23-06-2011, 00:00
Most certainl all redtape members are welcome to join or return to expat.ru as the the strongest most recognised site for expats and Russians in Russia. But that is their choice I guess. As you said , the facts are there for all to accept.

All I can say is join our forum, and be warmly welcomed. In tour present current times , there is no nastiness or unpleasantness here, from any of our members. I hope :)


Bels, Shooters may be "another one", but it at least it is one that gave a fair deal. Before booking Shooters, I had several propositions. All gave a fixed price and little information about what we would get for it, especially as it was a Friday night involved. Shooters offered transparency in their offer, something which I found a relief. Shooters was picked with care.

Redtape, in terms of traffic, is not a competitor. Expat is in the top 100.000 of over 200.000.000 websites, which means we belong to the 0.1 percent of the world most busiest sites. Redtape, in terms of traffic, gets only 10% of what Expat gets. Expat is the stronger brand and finally we're doing something with this fact, hence our card and more frequent events.

Looking at the reasons behind Redtape evolving and what the site is now, a merger (if anyone would want something like that anyway) is not appropriate. Redtape serves a specific part of the online Expat community. The fact that Expat is bigger doesn't mean they should give up. On the contrary: it is healthy to have some competition!

Any Redtape member is welcome here, but it is clear that some prefer a specific community that best fits their moods and opinion. As there is no need to merge, I think we should be happy with the diversity. It's a different community, with different policies. Some people feel more happy with Redtape and it obviously gives them enough traffic to move one. I'm happy with that and have nothing against it.

ezik
23-06-2011, 00:02
Wow a real movie star!


Any love seans?

No, I'm playing a boring scientist. They tricked me into it. I expected James Bond stuff, but alas...

franzewich
23-06-2011, 02:45
... And you did it all with only two smiles!

Live free or die!

There is not much more to smile about, sorry! ;)

franzewich
23-06-2011, 02:54
Close, but no cigar. I do live as a "free spirit" here, but I do so and still manage to put a roof over my head.
And yes, Willy does hit up people for money, food, a place to stay, etc.
I guess it is easy for you to defend him being so far removed from all his garbage. You only have to deal with here...

Fine, so smoke the cigar youself. Hope you get a good cough from it! :(

And, yes, I have also paid Willy some beers and some dinners. He never came back to me for seconds. So don't tell everyone he would be a free ride! I'm sure he is not happy about his situation, either.

Agreed, I'm not in Moscow at the moment; belive me, it is very hard on me not to be there for various reasons! But I don't think I would behave any different if I were.

You are in a better situation than he is. Good for you, I'm happy with you. Be also happy about it, but don't kick people who are already on the floor! Straighten things out like gentlemen without pelting garbage at each other! I'm not just referring to you! :)

ferns1john
23-06-2011, 11:17
Useless fighting, remembering, arguing, explaining, reasoning, helping each other etc about the past. Move on guys. Life is short. You’ll only thinking about negative/bad things. Did you’ll ever think about the good times you’ll had when you’ll were together. Think about it. Let go the past and move on. You help each other not to get something, you help people because you are friends and on humanity basis. When you help people you have not to bring it up every time now and then at any point of time. You know and God knows what is right and wrong. No need to criticize one another. Hope this will help you guys to find peace. . Help people and god will help you. We are no one to judge any one.

It sometimes better to keep quiet even if you are wrong as it makes no sense arguing/criticizing with people. It makes no sense at all. You know you are right it’s your inner conscious you don’t need to prove your right to people. If you are wrong you will realize one day and it will be too late.

moscowmail
23-06-2011, 12:40
Useless fighting, remembering, arguing, explaining, reasoning, helping each other etc about the past. Move on guys. Life is short. Youíll only thinking about negative/bad things. Did youíll ever think about the good times youíll had when youíll were together. Think about it. Let go the past and move on. You help each other not to get something, you help people because you are friends and on humanity basis. When you help people you have not to bring it up every time now and then at any point of time. You know and God knows what is right and wrong. No need to criticize one another. Hope this will help you guys to find peace. . Help people and god will help you. We are no one to judge any one.

It sometimes better to keep quiet even if you are wrong as it makes no sense arguing/criticizing with people. It makes no sense at all. You know you are right itís your inner conscious you donít need to prove your right to people. If you are wrong you will realize one day and it will be too late.

HAhahahahahaa, brilliant.. says the man who falsely accused my bar of something, and when proven wrong STILL carried on... classic, absolute classic, should take up the comedy profession, this is the funniest thing I have ever seen.. kettle.. pot... hahahaha

franzewich
23-06-2011, 12:54
HAhahahahahaa, brilliant.. says the man who falsely accused my bar of something, and when proven wrong STILL carried on... classic, absolute classic, should take up the comedy profession, this is the funniest thing I have ever seen.. kettle.. pot... hahahaha

Great, just great! Are we getting into Phase II of the quarrel? Let's just end it here, please!

Actually, the subject "Shooters" has now become like an endless bar room fight in itself - does anybody know how it actually started?

No point to continue: "П́осле драки кулаками не машут." Don't swing your fists when the fighting is over.

mrzuzzo
23-06-2011, 13:32
Seems like half this forum helped homeless Willy with something... Kinda strange for him to be so ungrateful.

AstarD
23-06-2011, 13:49
Mania is the signature characteristic of bipolar disorder and, depending on its severity, is how the disorder is classified. Mania is generally characterized by a distinct period of an elevated mood, which can take the form of euphoria. People commonly experience an increase in energy and a decreased need for sleep, with many often getting as little as 3 or 4 hours of sleep per night, while others can go days without sleeping.[11] A person may exhibit pressured speech, with thoughts experienced as racing.[12] Attention span is low, and a person in a manic state may be easily distracted. Judgment may become impaired, and sufferers may go on spending sprees or engage in behavior that is quite abnormal for them. They may indulge in substance abuse, particularly alcohol or other depressants, cocaine or other stimulants, or sleeping pills. Their behavior may become aggressive, intolerant, or intrusive. People may feel out of control or unstoppable, or as if they have been "chosen" and are "on a special mission" or have other grandiose or delusional ideas. Sexual drive may increase. At more extreme phases of bipolar I, a person in a manic state can begin to experience psychosis, or a break with reality, where thinking is affected along with mood.[13] Some people in a manic state experience severe anxiety and are very irritable (to the point of rage), while others are euphoric and grandiose.
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TolkoRaz
23-06-2011, 13:52
HAhahahahahaa, brilliant.. says the man who falsely accused my bar of something, and when proven wrong STILL carried on... classic, absolute classic, should take up the comedy profession, this is the funniest thing I have ever seen.. kettle.. pot... hahahaha

Perhaps the CCTV imagery should be downloaded and embedded into a YouTube clip and posted here so that we can all see what really happened. :coffee:

And then the thread can be closed! :tv:

BrandonL
23-06-2011, 15:36
Seriously, let's just end this pissing contest.

AstarD
23-06-2011, 16:16
I agree, of course, as long as The Willy does too.

Tony P
23-06-2011, 16:35
Seriously, let's just end this pissing contest.

NO - keep it going, but keep it here.

Then other threads can be free of it!
(and pigs can ... )

ezik
23-06-2011, 18:24
NO - keep it going, but keep it here.

Then other threads can be free of it!
(and pigs can ... )

Yeah, well that may be a reason to keep it going, but nothing new is being written.

Those who want to continue the mud throwing (no offense, Mud), please do it in Bardak. You can curse, use f-words there, post pics of boobies, go on- and off-topic at random, rant, scream, shout, throw your drink at your laptop, all of which may add to the fun.