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mandelstam13
21-08-2007, 01:29
I know it's been asked lots of times, but what are the exact requirements for getting a Temp Residence Permit if you are married to a Russian?

Thanks

Guest
21-08-2007, 09:15
No special requirements, just make the medical tests and submit the documents to your local OVIR (when you will be registered).
Birth certificate, police certificate, marriage certificate, copy of both passports, medical attestation (got from accredited places, OVIR will tell you), attestation of your wife that she allows you to be registered in her place (Or property documents if YOU owe a property in Russia). Bank statement showing that you have "enough money to live in Russia". For a 5 years permit, about $20k. I noticed that now some local OVIR do not even ask this document, if you are married since a few years and if you or your wife owes a residence.
All non Russian documents must have the apostille, then must be translated into Russian and notarized.
Receiving the residence permit requests 3 to 6 months, it depends of the mood of the clerks, the weather, etc. Agencies that promise it for 1 or 2 months just lie (or supply false documents!)

Clean32
21-08-2007, 10:58
Good post Guest.

Registration, any trussian citz can register not just your wife. the requirements are a permanit address. i had my mother in law do my registration.
some posters in moscow have been saying now you need $47K in a russian bank, i didnt but that was a couple of years ago. all i did was print of the internet a bank statment and gave them that with the coverstion to USD in pen writen on the margin

tgma
23-08-2007, 10:35
The only thing that I'm not clear about is the police certificate, as it varies from country to country.

Can someone please tell me what is required from a UK citizen - I remember a post saying that you could get some sort of letter from the consulate, which would be sufficient, but I've also heard of the need to get some sort of document from the UK.
Is there a UK citizen here who has done this recently, please?

Bels
23-08-2007, 21:11
The only thing that I'm not clear about is the police certificate, as it varies from country to country.

Can someone please tell me what is required from a UK citizen - I remember a post saying that you could get some sort of letter from the consulate, which would be sufficient, but I've also heard of the need to get some sort of document from the UK.
Is there a UK citizen here who has done this recently, please?


Try this:

Metropolitan Police Service - Subject Access Forms (http://www.met.police.uk/dataprotection/forms.htm)


You will definitely need a police check and will need to request whats called Subject Access. When you receive the police check or subject access document you will have to send it back again to be apostiled.

Looks like the pasting is not work I will try this way met.police.uk/dataprotection of course www. before it.

Bels
23-08-2007, 21:35
I have recently completed a Temporary residency application and I am now waiting on an answer. Or should I say my Russian wife did most of the legwork, enquiries, and negotiations. I am afraid nobody spoke English at all. All applications and forms are in Russian. All your documents need to be legally translated and stamped. All I did was go to an office to give signatures, and get medical checkups at various places including the nut house. You will also need a list of all your family , their birth dates, occupation, and places of birth.

Bels
23-08-2007, 21:42
Good post Guest.

Registration, any trussian citz can register not just your wife. the requirements are a permanit address. i had my mother in law do my registration.
some posters in moscow have been saying now you need $47K in a russian bank, i didnt but that was a couple of years ago. all i did was print of the internet a bank statment and gave them that with the coverstion to USD in pen writen on the margin


Very difficult to get if you are not married, only a limited number get through. Ex soviets get priority. I would be very interested to hear if an American or Brit has been successful with application of a temporary Residency recently without being married.

mandelstam13
24-08-2007, 00:02
The nut house?

Clean32
24-08-2007, 00:29
The nut house?

LOL the russians refer to it as the crazy house.
its one of the medical tests, AIDS HIV STD drugs etc and to see if you are a nutter ??

Bels
24-08-2007, 12:36
Correct Clean32. Is nutter or nut-house a British only phrase? How about nutty as a fruit-cake.

Bels
24-08-2007, 12:48
In my emails there was a post here asking me some questions. I can't find it any more and I can only presume he found the answers.

Yes you do need to hand in a police check and it must be apostiled and transated. The British Embassy won't help you, I've tried.

I can't remember the amount required in your bank account but no more than £500 for a married couple. Looking at previous posts I can only assume it's a lot more for expats doing it alone without a wife.

My wife has just gone today to Odentsova to check whether I have my Temporary Residency. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed. But as my wife said. we have every right to have it, as Iam married with two dependant young children.

Maxim
24-08-2007, 13:41
I was in days ago. Right now they do not require any money on your account.

But don't forget that all medical tests should be done before going to FMS (this is not like this for SNG sitizens) in authorized hospitals only.

In Moscow all the tests cost 1275 rubles.

Bels
24-08-2007, 15:12
The benefits of having a temporary Residency of which I am sure you already know and that's why you are applying are

No more getting out of Moscow when you don't want to
The right to work with any choice of company without restriction.

But also the right to be self employed and register as an entrepenuer and pay a reasonable rate of tax, be legal (that's my next step)

Guest
24-08-2007, 15:30
All applications and forms are in Russians.

Well, it seems normal, we are in Russia! How can people ask to be a resident without knowing the language?

Bels
24-08-2007, 15:51
I'm not complaining. But how good should our Russian be at the beginning. Would you say fluent enough to deal with the whole application process. It takes time to learn a language, Especially Russian.

Perhaps Britain is the only internationally friendly country in the world. A lot of government applications are equipped for Indians, Pakisyanis and EU members for Example. They can even ask for a translater if they wish. Not that I am saying our world is perfect but we are all becoming globalised.

As I said I'm not complaining, but I would not have succeeded with any Russian applications without the assistance of my wife. And let's not forget the Russian verbal questions. How did the nut house doctor, who didn't speak English decide I wasn't insane? My wife had to translate for me.

Maxim
25-08-2007, 21:47
I'm not complaining. But how good should our Russian be at the beginning. The fact is that these regulations are mode not for europeans but for people from ex-USSR.

There were a lot of Russians living in some republics. In many cases they are happy to come back. Also a lot of ex-USSR citizens know russian language.

So, its about 99% of russian-speaking and 1% of others. I've been to FMS. Who is getting the residential permit? Ukranians, Russians, Kazakhs... I've seen only one "proper" foreigner - he was from Palestina and his russian was perfect.

So treat it with respect :)

Bels
25-08-2007, 22:21
You are so right,In all the queus I was waiting in I was the only English speaking person. These ex soviots don't need visas like we do, but new legislation recently has forced them to go go through this procoss to ensure they have the right to work in any trade they wish.

And yes like the Indians and Pakistanis in the UK they are probably the ones that will increase the economy in Russia.

On several occasions I was asked through my wife "why on earth is a Brit trying to get in when we are all trying to get out"? They were confused that I simply wanted to live with my family, earn a decent living without being hassled.

And any way what's the problem of using English as a second language in a globalised world. Most countries use it nowadays. No problem for me I've got my unpaid translater, secratary and everything else.

Maxim
25-08-2007, 23:25
They were confused that I simply wanted to live with my family, earn a decent living without being hassled.Many russians have a lot of illusions about the life in western world. They think its like in this song:
http://bharat.ru/BRCM.wma


And any way what's the problem of using English as a second language in a globalised world. Most countries use it nowadays.Heh.
If you travel by train in Europe you pass 3 countries in 5 hours. In a small country Norway you have 100 dialects.

In these conditions the idea of having one universal language is obvious.

Here, in Russia, it is also obvious. And we have this universal language which helps 300 million people to negotiate if needed. Just it is not English.

I lived in english-speaking environment. When many nations meat together the language becomes very primitive. If the language is primitive the thoughts become primitive. I'm not speaking about English language - the language of Blake is great. But the actual English spoken among different groups of foreigners is primitive.

What I want to say the idea of having a universal language have bounds.

Clean32
25-08-2007, 23:51
Many russians have a lot of illusions about the life in western world. They think its like in this song:
http://bharat.ru/BRCM.wma.

So true


Heh.
If you travel by train in Europe you pass 3 countries in 5 hours. In a small country Norway you have 100 dialects.

In these conditions the idea of having one universal language is obvious.

Here, in Russia, it is also obvious. And we have this universal language which helps 300 million people to negotiate if needed. Just it is not English.

I lived in english-speaking environment. When many nations meat together the language becomes very primitive. If the language is primitive the thoughts become primitive. I'm not speaking about English language - the language of Blake is great. But the actual English spoken among different groups of foreigners is primitive.

What I want to say the idea of having a universal language have bounds.

Ok Max doint take this the wrong way, but you are russian so you probably will

"I lived in English-speaking environment. When many nations meat together the language becomes very primitive"
So true
"But the actual English spoken among different groups of foreigners is primitive"
But the thought processes of theses non native English speakers will be in there native language, and that’s not primitive. But even primitive is still communication.

As for Russian its only 180 million not 300 million

As for primitive language, be careful, would you say that Russian is more primitive than English because it only has 1/2 the amount of words? Personally I don’t think so, but your comments could be taken that way.

Just about 1 1/3 of the world’s population speaks English to some point. 1/3 of the worlds population speaks Mandarin. That leaves 1/3 to speak all other languages including Russian

But please expand on the universal bounds ??

Maxim
26-08-2007, 00:19
But the thought processes of theses non native English speakers will be in there native language, and that’s not primitive. But even primitive is still communication.Do you speak any foreign language?


As for Russian its only 180 million not 300 millionRussian is the 4th language in the world after chinese, english and spanish. As far as I remember it was around 280 millions only in USSR, mostly they spoke Russian.
180 millions is Russia+Ukraine only.


As for primitive language, be careful, would you say that Russian is more primitive than English because it only has 1/2 the amount of words? It is not at all a matter of amounts of words.
1st of all there are two things: vocabulary size and lexicon size. Lexicon is what you actually use in daily life. Stupid people (and those who just learned the language) use 300 words, normal - 1000-2000. Well-educated - 3000-5000. For example, Pushkin used around 13000 - I don't know about Shakespeare.

I can speak a lot about difference of our languages - just I'm not sure this is a correct thread.


Just about 1 1/3 of the world’s population speaks English to some point. 1/3 of the worlds population speaks Mandarin. That leaves 1/3 to speak all other languages including RussianAccording to wikipedia English is native for 1.2 billions. Not so much.


But please expand on the universal bounds ??I meant universal language limitations.

ATO1980
11-09-2007, 02:29
Just take a look at this link here: List of languages by number of native speakers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Human_Language_Families_(wikicolors).png" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Human_Language_Families_%28wikicolors%29.png/275px-Human_Language_Families_%28wikicolors%29.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/b/b4/Human_Language_Families_%28wikicolors%29.png/275px-Human_Language_Families_%28wikicolors%29.png

Russian is not even in the top 5 languages spoken in the world: Mandarin Chinese, Spanish, English, Arabic, and Hindi.

This does not mean that Russian is not an important language.

Clean32
11-09-2007, 04:25
Do you speak any foreign language?.

Yes 4 plus english and not counting russian


Russian is the 4th language in the world after chinese, english and spanish. As far as I remember it was around 280 millions only in USSR, mostly they spoke Russian.
180 millions is Russia+Ukraine only..

i think you need to check your numbers again. as for the former USSR countries, i thing russian is dieing, for example in Bakau, no one under the age of 25 could would or wanted to speek russian at all, thay all seem to have returned to there native toung and english.


It is not at all a matter of amounts of words.
1st of all there are two things: vocabulary size and lexicon size. Lexicon is what you actually use in daily life. Stupid people (and those who just learned the language) use 300 words, normal - 1000-2000. Well-educated - 3000-5000. For example, Pushkin used around 13000 - I don't know about Shakespeare.

I can speak a lot about difference of our languages - just I'm not sure this is a correct thread..
correct but this is not incontext of your original argument


According to wikipedia English is native for 1.2 billions. Not so much.

I meant universal language limitations.

1.2 billion is not so much LOL are you jokeing, thats about 9 times the number of russian speakers? how can you justify you comments??