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jimmyb78
23-01-2011, 06:06
Straight and simple. I need to learn how to handle myself, get over confrontation fear and do some damage quickly and effectively to much bigger poeple.

Anyone know if there's a place that teaches this? Street smarts only. Got my ass handed to me by a 240 pound guy tonight. No provocation and no fun.

Apart from picking up a knife I'd like to learn how to deal with these cnuts.

MickeyTong
23-01-2011, 06:34
Straight and simple. I need to learn how to handle myself, get over confrontation fear and do some damage quickly and effectively to much bigger poeple.

Anyone know if there's a place that teaches this? Street smarts only. Got my ass handed to me by a 240 pound guy tonight. No provocation and no fun.

Apart from picking up a knife I'd like to learn how to deal with these cnuts.

Eyeballs. Even the biggest, baddest, most vicious batsrad loves his eyeballs.
If someone like Mike Tyson wants to smear your face over the kerb and use your asrehole to tickle his bellend - how can you stop him? He's bigger than you, stronger than you, has more fight experience than you, has a higher pain threshold than you and more testosterone-driven aggression than you.

Your only hope is in making it very clear to him that his victory will cost him at least one eye.

Desert Addict
23-01-2011, 12:25
You are asking for something which does not exist. I have 28 years of all sorts of martial arts and self defence behind me. And if I get in a fight (which happens maybe once every 3-4 years) I still can loose. There are no easy tricks which work 100% of the time. Just go to a club and become a regular member. Maybe thai boxing, brazilian jiu jitsu, Wing Tsun or Krav Maga. Evening regular boxing. Start training and your confidence will go up...and maybe you still loose but at least you will have put up some resistance. Nothing wrong with loosing a good fight.

One thing however: all the fights I got in I choose to be in. The was always a possibility to walk away. There normally always is. Just go over it againwhy this guy was after you. I guess you played a role in that.

xSnoofovich
23-01-2011, 13:14
I'd like to learn how to deal with these cnuts.

Quit drinking or being around drunk people late at night.

franzewich
23-01-2011, 13:55
Quit drinking or being around drunk people late at night.

...or get yourself some good running shoes! ;)

Remington
23-01-2011, 14:13
Straight and simple. I need to learn how to handle myself, get over confrontation fear and do some damage quickly and effectively to much bigger poeple.

Anyone know if there's a place that teaches this? Street smarts only. Got my ass handed to me by a 240 pound guy tonight. No provocation and no fun.

Apart from picking up a knife I'd like to learn how to deal with these cnuts.

Maybe it's time to start running. Big guys are definitely slow and won't be able to catch up.

Willy
23-01-2011, 22:05
Kick'em in the balls!

YouTube - Compilation - Hit in the nuts !

robertmf
23-01-2011, 22:11
Straight and simple. I need to learn how to handle myself, get over confrontation fear and do some damage quickly and effectively to much bigger poeple.

Anyone know if there's a place that teaches this? Street smarts only. Got my ass handed to me by a 240 pound guy tonight. No provocation and no fun.

Apart from picking up a knife I'd like to learn how to deal with these cnuts.

Find an akido instructor. This is the system Steven Seagal uses. Other than that, carry :11513: a bigger gun.

Russian peasant saying, "Never bring a knife to a gunfight"

(Have you considered a better class of bar ?)

Swordfish90293
23-01-2011, 23:05
The danger in carrying a weapon is that you run the risk of being disarmed and having it used against you. Jiujitsu may be effective with a single opponent if they're unfamiliar with ground fighting, but you're toast if there's more than one assailant. Taekwondo kicks I believe are most effective at keeping your opponent at a distance, and can be lethal. I especially like the impersonal touch.

However, the best defense is to avoid the fight, try to not get hit, and to remember that there's a lot of serious badasses out there...and a better bar will likely not only find you in a safer environment, but the chicks will likely be of a higher calibur...

Willy
23-01-2011, 23:11
Yeah like this guy!



YouTube - Michael Jackson-I'm bad Video

yakspeare
24-01-2011, 07:32
What most of them said- run.

really it works. Thingis, even if the guy is half your side, you do not know if he is armed, half stoned on drugs(and therefore may not feel pain so acutely) or has experience.

If you MUST fight:

Eye gouge
Punch to the nose
Open hand strike to the throat
open hand to sternum
kick to the groin
kick to just under(kicking up) to the knee.

You can do these in any order, I normally wok my way down the body from the head. You don't have to punch to the nose if you eye gouge. One or the other. Punch to the nose is to add water to their eyes, reducing vision and maybe for them to freak at seeing blood. Otherwise don't punch them at all.
That will be all you need, never need to box him or do anything else. Your aim is to stun your opponent so you can get away. I box, but that is for the ring and not on the street.

If they push you, cross your hands on your chest, over their hands which are there, trapping them. Then lean forward slightly, whilst holding their arms and keeping firm pressure so that their wrist remain bent. Then lift you kness up so you drop to the ground very quickly, leaning forward as you do. It has to be fast. You will break both of their wrists. I have never seen a fighter with two broken wrists perform anything dazzling.

Desert Addict
24-01-2011, 09:44
What most of them said- run.



If they push you, cross your hands on your chest, over their hands which are there, trapping them. Then lean forward slightly, whilst holding their arms and keeping firm pressure so that their wrist remain bent. Then lift you kness up so you drop to the ground very quickly, leaning forward as you do. It has to be fast. You will break both of their wrists. I have never seen a fighter with two broken wrists perform anything dazzling.

And I have never seen this working except in the movies. Just like Steven Segall: He is an actor!!! There are no easy to learn tricks...that is why the guy's in the UFC have all been training 8-10 years at least... and why in military this stuff is practiced several times a week... when you are in a fight adrenaline pumps up and 99% of this stuff which works in the gym does not work on the street (just like in a ring when you do competition). If you are a one trick pony you will end up on the ground. Just go to a regular martial arts school and start learning the basics. Probably they will also teach you to stay away from guy's double your size...

Swordfish90293
24-01-2011, 10:33
Just like Steven Segall: He is an actor!!!

Steven Segal, like Jason Statham and Chuck Norris, is the genuine article. Nothing fake about him...

Matt24
24-01-2011, 11:07
Straight and simple. I need to learn how to handle myself, get over confrontation fear and do some damage quickly and effectively to much bigger poeple.

Anyone know if there's a place that teaches this? Street smarts only. Got my ass handed to me by a 240 pound guy tonight. No provocation and no fun.

Apart from picking up a knife I'd like to learn how to deal with these cnuts.

As a foreigner in this town doing 'damage' isn't the best idea, whether you're armed or otherwise - the law is stacked against you, even if you get that far, (the beat cop will see you as a much more profitable opportunity than a random drunk), don't hurt the locals, unlike the films people get permanently damaged and amazingly easily killed in fights, if you think your life sucks today imagine the unremitting horror of Russian prison.

As to fighting, if you assess the situation as dangerous and conflict inevitable, ie the run like hell option is closed, be pre emptive, pick something heavy up and smash it into face of angriest looking dude, your face bleeds a lot, angry people's noses bleed 'explosively', that will generally put people off joining in and blind the angry dude - if you get in too close don't be ashamed of biting, hurts like hell / makes you appear like a complete nutter and more frightening than your frame suggests - smaller people starting fights is always very confusing...

yakspeare
24-01-2011, 11:36
And I have never seen this working except in the movies. Just like Steven Segall: He is an actor!!! There are no easy to learn tricks...that is why the guy's in the UFC have all been training 8-10 years at least... and why in military this stuff is practiced several times a week... when you are in a fight adrenaline pumps up and 99% of this stuff which works in the gym does not work on the street (just like in a ring when you do competition). If you are a one trick pony you will end up on the ground. Just go to a regular martial arts school and start learning the basics. Probably they will also teach you to stay away from guy's double your size...

for most people Martal arts are about confidence and sometimes a little confidence can actually be a negative thing. There are a LOT of easy to learn tricks. First thing is you DO not fight. Fighting is dangerous. You stop the opponent dead in their tracks if you MUST come to blows..

What Matt says is true too. You don't have to be gentlemanly about it, pick up something. Make a lot of noise. Glare and frankly act ike an animal. I have known several , highly experienced, martial art guys cop an absolute flogging. Even one black belt. But usually a highly skilled martial art guy can handle himself....but that takes years.

Smacking someone in the throat, makes the biggest man unable to breathe. Kicking them in the groin, has them topple over. It ain't rocket science. Stop their progress then get the hell away yourself. Adpting some martial arts stance or putting your hands up to fight isn't really going to work. I have known a lot of thugs in my time and a great deal actually know some form of martial arts themselves(though they may not be good).

Point is, the exchange has to be as quick as possible. If you hadn't seen these things "except in movies" then you are fortunate enogh to not grow up in western Sydney. I am not suggesting Karate chopping as I reckon you think I am referring to. Just hitting some weak points of the body.

Kangaroo495
24-01-2011, 16:13
Straight and simple. I need to learn how to handle myself, get over confrontation fear and do some damage quickly and effectively to much bigger poeple.

Anyone know if there's a place that teaches this? Street smarts only. Got my ass handed to me by a 240 pound guy tonight. No provocation and no fun.

Apart from picking up a knife I'd like to learn how to deal with these cnuts.

Were you the dude I saved from trouble in the toilets at Real McCoy on Friday?

rosieredwood
24-01-2011, 16:39
Were you the dude I saved from trouble in the toilets at Real McCoy on Friday?


:boxing::mooooh::asskiss::bird::11513::545:

Desert Addict
24-01-2011, 16:49
Were you the dude I saved from trouble in the toilets at Real McCoy on Friday?

If you were the one explaining that the girl (with the BIG GUY) just needed some watter. Then that was me:))) But I was right anyway. She did just cut the line, and Big Guy with her or not that's not correct. But that indeed could have been fun.

As I said before. When getting in trouble you are mostly looking for it yourself. Anyway. Nothing happened there. Was surprised he spoke English by the way. But he seemed not to mind me calling him a big idiot.

Kangaroo495
24-01-2011, 17:01
If you were the one explaining that the girl (with the BIG GUY) just needed some watter. Then that was me:))) But I was right anyway. She did just cut the line, and Big Guy with her or not that's not correct. But that indeed could have been fun.

As I said before. When getting in trouble you are mostly looking for it yourself. Anyway. Nothing happened there. Was surprised he spoke English by the way. But he seemed not to mind me calling him a big idiot.

Ha ha! Nah, it must've been a different incident! Those toilets are always the source of conflicts.

In this case, I came out of the cubicle, and there were 3 Russian guys screaming obscenities in the face of some poor English guy. All I did was step in and cover the Englishman. Got him into the cubicle and shut the door. Then everyone calmed down.

Personally, I am not very big, nor am I scary, nor can I fight, but sometimes I get the feeling that my tattoos mean that people don't mess with me. Maybe you should invest in some ink..?

Swordfish90293
24-01-2011, 19:32
Fighting in the toilets...real nice...what would your mothers say?

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Desert Addict
24-01-2011, 20:06
Ha ha! Nah, it must've been a different incident! Those toilets are always the source of conflicts.

In this case, I came out of the cubicle, and there were 3 Russian guys screaming obscenities in the face of some poor English guy. All I did was step in and cover the Englishman. Got him into the cubicle and shut the door. Then everyone calmed down.

Personally, I am not very big, nor am I scary, nor can I fight, but sometimes I get the feeling that my tattoos mean that people don't mess with me. Maybe you should invest in some ink..?


Than I would have a fight with my wife. I rather take the BIG Russian guy on than:)

I will be back there on Friday. Will look out for the tattoos:)))

Swordfish90293
25-01-2011, 00:59
You don't have to punch to the nose if you eye gouge. One or the other. Punch to the nose is to add water to their eyes, reducing vision and maybe for them to freak at seeing blood. Otherwise don't punch them at all.

That will be all you need, never need to box him or do anything else. Your aim is to stun your opponent so you can get away. I box, but that is for the ring and not on the street.

My brother was a Golden Gloves fighter at 145 lbs. He was lightening fast. I've seen him KNOCK OUT 3 guys considerably larger than him in one fight so quick I almost didn't see what happened. He wouldn't go looking for it like my Dad, but he wouldn't back down. He was constantly testing himself.

Recently in Odessa an American ex-fighter (boxer)@ 165lbs. came back to the hotel without a scratch after knocking out 2 guys who were about to rob him outside a casino. He said it all happened in the space of about 2 seconds.

Granted boxing and fighting are two different things. But a knockout artist is, I think, the most impressive of all.

YouTube - Top 10 Greatest Knockouts Ever

Kraven Morehead
25-01-2011, 01:20
Law of the jungle is that the person who seriously hurt even in a win will eventually lose to another.

Fighting is all about technique, positioning, place, time, and instinct. Washroom are great place to go after someone, because help is not there, out of sight of security, and planned ambush can be easily done.

MickeyTong
25-01-2011, 02:48
I will be back there on Friday. Will look out for the tattoos:)))

Yeah....tattoos, string vest, really tight jeans, eye-liner and lip gloss....hangs around in the toilet at Real McCoy and has a cute smile for everyone who walks in......

yakspeare
25-01-2011, 08:01
My brother was a Golden Gloves fighter at 145 lbs. He was lightening fast. I've seen him KNOCK OUT 3 guys considerably larger than him in one fight so quick I almost didn't see what happened. He wouldn't go looking for it like my Dad, but he wouldn't back down. He was constantly testing himself.

Recently in Odessa an American ex-fighter (boxer)@ 165lbs. came back to the hotel without a scratch after knocking out 2 guys who were about to rob him outside a casino. He said it all happened in the space of about 2 seconds.

Granted boxing and fighting are two different things. But a knockout artist is, I think, the most impressive of all.

YouTube - Top 10 Greatest Knockouts Ever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsRD3ch5qLw)


Absolutely agree 100%. When I say "Box" I mean don't settle down for a long and polite fight between gentleman. Whatever you do, do it quick and get the hell away.

Most effective way to knock someone out is rotation of the chin, but you need pratice to hit it right(And assuming they aren't protecting it but many do).

I am a big guy these days (125 kilograms) and I don't fear other big guys. Generally we know we would both hurt each other so there is no problem. It is the small guys you often have to worry about. Big guys( though certainly not all) are lazy fighters, using their size and weight. Smaller guys compensate by martial arts, boxing and carrying weapons. Plenty of bigger guys know how to fight, don't get me wrong- but this is something you can recognize. I once hit a man so hard(this was before I knew how to box) that the effect really terrified me. You can go from a big guy to an in-jail guy quite easily.

I still won't ever forget a situation once at my school. Absolute poetry in motion. We had this guy, Troy, who was 55kg and an Aborigine. He played half- back on the rugby team. A guy , who was the same size as me at the time(about 80kgs), and a known streetfighter, took offence to him over something. This bigger guy swung at him but the punch never landed. Troy sent about 15 jabs into the guys face(remembering the other guy had surprise on his side and started to throw his punch first). The guy dropped like a stone, out cold. It was only after this, we found out that Troy was a boxer, and his brother represents Australia in boxing. This tiny kid had already had 16 competitive fights under his belt. After this my attitude to smaller guys changed. That is why, regardless of size(and how easy you think it will be), just get away fast as he can. Even if you flog him, he can have friends or weapons etc. Don't stick around.

Desert Addict
25-01-2011, 08:17
Yeah....tattoos, string vest, really tight jeans, eye-liner and lip gloss....hangs around in the toilet at Real McCoy and has a cute smile for everyone who walks in......

I think a comment like this tells a lot about you. Maybe you need some more specialized help than an expat site.

Matt24
25-01-2011, 08:41
I think a comment like this tells a lot about you. Maybe you need some more specialized help than an expat site.

Yeah well spotted! And he's a chubby chirper, get some help dude, your punctuation's all over the place.

Swordfish90293
25-01-2011, 09:42
Yeah well spotted! And he's a chubby chirper, get some help dude, your punctuation's all over the place.

If Mickey needs help we're all doomed...

MickeyTong
25-01-2011, 20:57
I think a comment like this tells a lot about you. Maybe you need some more specialized help than an expat site.

YouTube - Gnarls Barkley - Crazy

Swordfish90293
25-01-2011, 22:23
YouTube - Ozzy Osbourne - Crazy Train

Swordfish90293
25-01-2011, 22:28
I once hit a man so hard(this was before I knew how to box) that the effect really terrified me.

I frighten myself every morning...

Kraven Morehead
25-01-2011, 22:44
YouTube - Gnarls Barkley - Crazy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w&ob=av2el)

Desert, maybe you can avoid the bathrooms and wear Adult disposable undergarments. You can avoid the bathrooms and if you get scared, you can drop one and not worry about staining your pants.

jimmyb78
29-01-2011, 07:00
Thread hijacked my morons and pussies of course. I write this from a hotel room in Saransk with my left eye sweelling shut. I filmed the arrest and neglect of my poor ~Sudanese friend, a doctor in training by the way, as he was beaten and abused on the way to the hospital.

Seriously, I love Russia, but 'protect and serve' just doesn't exist here. Maybe ''neglect and then come toddling along when someone's half dead then beat up anyone in sight, including the 01 caller...

**** this.

Anyone who knows 1-1 self defence, where I can incapacitate someone painfully ~(but not permanently of course for legal reasons) and quickly, more importantly, let me know.

Swordfish90293
29-01-2011, 10:59
Sorry to hear this.

I think your problem doesn't lie in your inability to defend yourself, but your attitude in wanting to be able to when confronted. Although self defense does wonders for mind and body, I think the correct mindset to develop is how not to get into a confrontation, how to avoid one, how to not even give a protagonist the thought of approaching you.

If you're talking about defending a friend, this is a different story. You must first think of how to extricate yourself and them as quickly as possible while suffering the least amount of damage. But in this case sometimes there's no way out because it's not about just you.

If you put yourself in the hands of a professional, the time required to develop the skills to deal with 1 on 1 combat is not great.You can learn quite a bit and develop a set of skills and confidence in a few months of intensive training, say, 3 times a week. Find the dojo of several different disciplines, Taekwondo, Akido, Judo, Karate, and talk to the instructors. Get a feel for each art. Tell them what happened. They'll lead you the correct way.

However, keep in mind that if you're approached by more than 1 assailant, the odds are severely stacked against you no matter how good you are. In an interview with Black Belt magazine, Jiujitsu master Rickson Gracie was asked when in a situation with 2 assailants, what his best move was, he replied "to my Sig Sauer .40cal". This illustrates that even the best understand the dangers of street fighting.

If only 1 guy did all this to 2 of you, you can see how dangerous all this is. All the more reason to stay clear.

The first and most life saving lesson training does is teach you temperance.

Maybe you're finding yourself in the wrong situation too often and it's time to evaluate why and what to do about it.

Verdana
29-01-2011, 11:14
probably a pepper spray is what you need. first you may spray and then it is up to you if you will run away or enjoy the moment...
anyway you need to calm down first a bit...

yakspeare
29-01-2011, 11:35
Thread hijacked my morons and pussies of course. I write this from a hotel room in Saransk with my left eye sweelling shut. I filmed the arrest and neglect of my poor ~Sudanese friend, a doctor in training by the way, as he was beaten and abused on the way to the hospital.

Seriously, I love Russia, but 'protect and serve' just doesn't exist here. Maybe ''neglect and then come toddling along when someone's half dead then beat up anyone in sight, including the 01 caller...

**** this.

Anyone who knows 1-1 self defence, where I can incapacitate someone painfully ~(but not permanently of course for legal reasons) and quickly, more importantly, let me know.

We have given you some advice on some simple moves which are effective. Iа you really want to know how to inflict pain, by all means come to Krasnodar for a weekend, and I will certainly show you what hurts. Understand this, streets are dangerous. The law is not especially sympathetic. Get yourself out of situations(like swordfish said) and not into them. Do not try to be soft, you may have to maim and do serious injury to your opponent to stop them(like Matt said). Don't dancу with them, showing off some cool kung fu moves. Escalate force from simple kicks to the groin and so forth to actually breaking limbs. Be prepared you can kill someone out there and the more training you have the less sympathetic most courts are.

How badly do you want to really know and how far do you really want to go?

Swordfish90293
29-01-2011, 12:06
probably a pepper spray is what you need. first you may spray and then it is up to you if you will run away or enjoy the moment...
anyway you need to calm down first a bit...

Hey! I forgot about MACE! That may be your best short, or even long term solution! MACE! Kick Ass In A Bottle! Cheaper than lessons and less time consuming. They come in cannisters that look like pens with @ 3 shots each. My favorite is the one used by NYPD...a combination of pepper and tear gas in liquid form...there's also "Bear Spray" which is 18% active ingredient...spray a stream on the street and watch the asphalt dissolve!

Then, after Macing the guy, you can kick him, stab him, spit on him then run him over...

But seriously, calm down...

If you were in the States, this baby's designed not to snag on the way out, or you can fire from inside your jacket pocket without catching your clothes, just be aware of your clothing catching fire...

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