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ReallyGreatConcerts
27-10-2010, 21:00
An interesting article relating to a new book on the topic. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2010/oct/26/russian-criminal-tattoos)

MickeyTong
27-10-2010, 21:30
I can't find Part 1.....

YouTube - Russian criminals and their tattoos 2/8
YouTube - Russian criminals and their tattoos 3/8
YouTube - Russian criminals and their tattoos 4/8
YouTube - Russian criminals and their tattoos 5/8
YouTube - Russian criminals and their tattoos 6/8
YouTube - Russian criminals and their tattoos 7/8
YouTube - Russian criminals and their tattoos 8/8

xSnoofovich
27-10-2010, 22:12
so i cheated and didnt watch the clips, but i have to say, i met people like this in my travels throughout rushaaaa, and although they were interesting people and they may or may not have taken me under their wing, those people live in a different world, and a screwed up world at that.

nothing good here. nothing to glorify or even pause and look on at in wonderment.

criminals. a waste of time.

Benedikt
28-10-2010, 01:01
You're as sadly judgemental as the Soviet Justice System that put them there. If not worse.

But I'm not surprised. Go home to your Gated Community and see if putting a bucket over your head helps to blot-out the world around you?

they were called currency speculators, maybe you should watch the film , INTERDEVUSHKA' a most enlightened film. or you had to sell a pair of jeans from the west or god forbid you were watching a playboy or penthouse video or porno film.:eek:

ReallyGreatConcerts
28-10-2010, 02:42
INTERDEVUSHKA' a most enlightened film. or you had to sell a pair of jeans from the west or god forbid you were watching a playboy or penthouse video or porno film.:eek:

There's a theatrical version of it, at the Theatre At Nikitsky Gates, by the way - very well done too.

Of course people were sent to the Gulag for completely fictitious and ideological crimes. Mandelstam was sent for writing poetry. So was Sharlamov. Koroliov (who later headed the Soviet Space Program) was sent similar because his rival scientist wanted him out of the way.

Sadly our witless troll friend Snoof says they were all criminals and deserved to be sent there. "Models" for no-one. Not even Koroliov, apparently - the man whose work put Gagarin into space. And who tacitly subverted Brezhnev's interstellar nuke plans and worked them into a manned spaceflight program instead. I wonder how many space-rockets Snoof has designed? I suspect it might none. I wonder when this vicious bigoted troll will get banned?

Swordfish90293
28-10-2010, 10:52
Stars on the Knees...

YouTube - Eastern promises: Tatoos

YouTube - Olegar Fedoro: Tattoo in "EASTERN PROMISES"

xSnoofovich
28-10-2010, 12:11
It's just pathetic attention seeking.
Mummy didn't let him suck on the nipple enough when he was a sprog or something! :D

I think you really hit the nail on the head there !

http://allthingsjasonday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/attention-whore-demotivational-poster-1201807295.jpg

Ian G
28-10-2010, 12:16
so i cheated and didnt watch the clips, but i have to say, i met people like this in my travels throughout rushaaaa, and although they were interesting people and they may or may not have taken me under their wing, those people live in a different world, and a screwed up world at that.

nothing good here. nothing to glorify or even pause and look on at in wonderment.

criminals. a waste of time.

I haven't watched the clips but I have read the article and looked at the linked website. And it's fascinating but rather horrifying stuff. Artistically it's a kind of folk art, like those old Russian woodcuts.

http://www.fuel-design.com/pix/tattoo3_3.jpg

Danzig Baldayev had no choice. He grew up in a children's home, his family had been killed by the Stalin regime, and he was given the job of a prison warder in the Kresty prison. That was his life. He was there from 1948 to 1981. During that time he made copies of the prisoners' tatoos. It's possible that all the prisoners he met were real villains- murderers, violent outlaws who had declared a war on society, drug dealers etc. But I doubt it. They were people whose psychology had been shaped by their society, had developed a unique, warped but fascinating culture of their own. That's what Baldayev recorded. He gave them a voice. Not glamourizing them, but recording their culture. Cinema, tv shows, and those 30 ruble paperbacks with lurid covers do that. "The Godfather" films do that.


Dostoyevsky was a political prisoner who found himself in a prison camp filled with a lot of real villains. And he spoke to them, listened to them and their stories remained with him for the rest of his life. The psychological depth of his novels comes out of that experience, and that's why they tower above the rest of Russian 19th century literature. Even above Tolstoy. (Of course, you may disagree.)

It's easy to say- "I don't want to know about these people". To assume a) that they were/ are all criminals, and b) that therefore their stories are not worth hearing. But it's possible to be interested in their lives, and their art, without glamourising the choices they made.

Henry Mayhew in the 1850s spoke to the illiterate criminals and street-people of London and recorded their stories, in their own words. He gave them a voice. You can read them now on the Internet. It is spooky. This is the past speaking directly to you, not filtered through the imagination of a novelist like Dickens.

If he hadn't done that then our knowledge of 19th century society would be a lot poorer.

xSnoofovich
28-10-2010, 12:29
It's easy to say- "I don't want to know about these people". To assume a) that they were/ are all criminals, and b) that therefore their stories are not worth hearing. But it's possible to be interested in their lives, and their art, without glamourising the choices they made.

Well said to everything you said !

However, I see a difference in the two posts. I guess the first article, which I have now read, relates mostly to the past, to Soviet times, and recording those periods via photographs of their tatoos. Whereas the second post, with the clips, is mostly about today, and the vory v zakone.

I don't think it is intellectually honest to link the two together, although it would seem on the surface that they do share some similarities.

Just for kicks, here are some other criminals with tatoos. Let's look at them and try to decode some of their hidden meanings, shall we?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/108/268638082_0cc4602e2c.jpg

http://www.lifeinthefastlane.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/gang_tattoos_1sfw.jpg

http://s2.hubimg.com/u/447117_f520.jpg

FatAndy
28-10-2010, 13:11
Gentlemen,

Pls keep your brains chilled and don't turn sharp discussion into scream of babushkas at bazar - or I will act like executor. Not want to, but yellow cards are prepared. From yellow to red and ban - not so big distance.

Thank you for understanding,
Sincerely yours, FatAndy

Swordfish90293
28-10-2010, 13:15
Gentlemen,

Pls keep your brains chilled and don't turn sharp discussion into scream of babushkas at bazar - or I will act like executor. Not want to, but yellow cards are prepared. From yellow to red and ban - not so big distance.

Thank you for understanding,
Sincerely yours, FatAndy

Yeah, guys...like I could give a damn, but you were starting to scare my cats...

Ian G
28-10-2010, 13:25
XSnoofovich
However, I see a difference in the two posts. I guess the first article, which I have now read, relates mostly to the past, to Soviet times, and recording those periods via photographs of their tatoos. Whereas the second post, with the clips, is mostly about today, and the vory v zakone.

Yes- I was referring to the first article. A real work of anthropology - a study of the underside of Soviet life. Whereas a lot of the guys in the videos just look plain terrifying, like the guys in the photos you posted. Maybe this is a subject that looks better in b/w photographs or even better drawings.

sweetfart
28-10-2010, 18:12
I get the impression that tattoos still aren't yet as widespread in Russia as they are in the US, especially not common amongst Russian women. Almost every other American girl I meet has a tattoo of some size somewhere on her body. And not just the working class types either.

xSnoofovich
28-10-2010, 18:14
I get the impression that tattoos still aren't yet as widespread in Russia as they are in the US, especially not common amongst Russian women. Almost every other American girl I meet has a tattoo of some size somewhere on her body. And not just the working class types either.

You would be suprised ! lately I have been counting them in the metro- it is about 3 out of every 5 people have a tatoo !

AstarD
28-10-2010, 19:02
Yeah, Snoof. Do as RGC says. Come back where you are appreciated. You too, Raz. Let him have his forum to himself.

AstarD
28-10-2010, 19:11
Nice coverup.

Nobbynumbnuts
28-10-2010, 21:22
I get the impression that tattoos still aren't yet as widespread in Russia as they are in the US, especially not common amongst Russian women. Almost every other American girl I meet has a tattoo of some size somewhere on her body. And not just the working class types either.

In about 25 years time there's going to be a massive demand to remove old, fading tattoos from wrinkly, sagging torsos. Great business oportunity for someone....................Remember, that you heard it here first and i'll be 'round for my 10% commission! ;)

FatAndy
29-10-2010, 10:53
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Follow topic, please. :D