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autre
17-06-2005, 12:25
Hi all,

I'm doing some research here at school and I'm pretty sure this would be the right place for me to ask for some help. I've got to get some info on certain services, websites etc that are still missing here in Russia and that are very useful and have found the place in everyday life over there. Say, one of the ideas I came up with was fantasy sports thing - has the greatest number of people involved in the US as an example and is not known over here at all or something like Tivo.. etc, so basically anything in any field that is working good over there and is not known over here just yet. Its hard to come up with the ideas on my own, your help would be greatly appreciated. any ideas?

corp_fin
17-06-2005, 12:45
Import water from Brooklyn - pizza crust here tastes like crap.

Halyavshik
17-06-2005, 12:50
I understood your post to be referring to online/virtual items. If so, then:

How 'bout auction sites like Ebay or online casinos ? Actually, I think you'll find that a lot of what you consider 'missing' actually does exist, but just doesn't have the same household recognition as it does in the West because the percentage of Internet connected households is far lower than in the West.

veejay
17-06-2005, 12:51
[B]Bagels!!!![B]

Green Tea
17-06-2005, 12:52
Bourbon !!! (not JD or JB)

http://ww3.enjoy.ne.jp/~bar-legend/images/bourbon.jpg

chunkyhunkymonkey
17-06-2005, 12:52
how about ...
-actually being able to pay for something online (as opposed to ordering it, and then paying the delivery man)
-a reliable postal service

if i think of any others....

Alex
17-06-2005, 13:00
fast service in restaurants, humus.

DJ Biscuit
17-06-2005, 13:01
Bourbon !!! (not JD or JB)

http://ww3.enjoy.ne.jp/~bar-legend/images/bourbon.jpg

JD is not a bourbon.

Green Tea
17-06-2005, 13:01
JD is not a bourbon.


Sour mash...... pssshhh! Same thing.



Sour mash whiskey:

Bourbon or Tennessee whiskey made using at least 25 per cent backset; soured yeast mash; a fermentation period of at least 72 hours.

Lled
17-06-2005, 13:04
fast service in restaurants, humus.


DJB, your opinon on this comment please.

DJ Biscuit
17-06-2005, 13:06
What really is missing in Russia is yet another foreigner doing some banal survey about 'what is missing in Russia'.

Lled
17-06-2005, 13:07
Just as well she's Russian then

TQ
17-06-2005, 13:09
i am missing the mountains. Boring landscape here.

Halyavshik
17-06-2005, 13:09
Sour mash...... pssshhh! Same thing.

"Is Jack Daniel's a bourbon ?
Jack Daniel's, is not considered a bourbon because it is charcoal-mellowed -- slowly, drop by drop, filtered through sugar-maple charcoal -- prior to aging, which many experts say gives it a different character. The process, called the Lincoln County Process, infuses a sweet and sooty character into the distillate as it removes impurities. But up to and after the charcoal filtering, the Jack Daniel's production is much the same as any other Bourbon. Jack Daniel's and George Dickel are two fine Tennessee Whiskeys though neither can be called bourbon. "

Quoted from www.straightbourbon.com

Green Tea
17-06-2005, 13:10
i am missing the mountains. Boring landscape here.

:suspect:
http://www.studio-international.co.uk/studio-images/russian_landscape/Russian_Landscape_W52_b.jpg

veejay
17-06-2005, 13:12
tamales...!!! ole!!!

Green Tea
17-06-2005, 13:13
"Is Jack Daniel's a bourbon ?
Jack Daniel's, is not considered a bourbon because it is charcoal-mellowed -- slowly, drop by drop, filtered through sugar-maple charcoal -- prior to aging, which many experts say gives it a different character. The process, called the Lincoln County Process, infuses a sweet and sooty character into the distillate as it removes impurities. But up to and after the charcoal filtering, the Jack Daniel's production is much the same as any other Bourbon. Jack Daniel's and George Dickel are two fine Tennessee Whiskeys though neither can be called bourbon. "

Quoted from www.straightbourbon.com


Clever marketing! "It's not Bourbon, it's unique, buy it!"

Same as Bourbon made in Tokyo isn't technically Bourbon, or Champaign made in Tula.... well...

P.I.M.P.
17-06-2005, 13:15
I understood your post to be referring to online/virtual items. If so, then:

How 'bout auction sites like Ebay or online casinos ? Actually, I think you'll find that a lot of what you consider 'missing' actually does exist, but just doesn't have the same household recognition as it does in the West because the percentage of Internet connected households is far lower than in the West.

I was all about starting a new online auction business here a few years ago. I met with the founder and spoke to the folks at molotok.ru (The Russian online auction leader) about their dismal auctions with few bids.

Mix of two downers why the auction business doesn't work here:

1) Russians like selling old stuff with minimal depreciation. Check molotok.ru for old TVs with starting prices at 90% of the value of the same model brand new.

2) Taxation worries. You sell your car or other big ticket item online. You worry that the tax inspection guys will ask molotok for their sales records and hit you up with a tax bill. It's a lot easier to do offline in person with two different contracts - a personal contract, and the one with the lowered sum for tax reasons.

DJ Biscuit
17-06-2005, 13:19
Just as well she's Russian then

Oops!

Have you been attending the Halyavshik school for explaining and disecting humorous or flippant comments?


I don't quite get the landscape thing. This is the largest country in the world, I am pretty sure there are some stunning landscapes out there somewhere.

As to service. A wonderfully moot point that can be addressed on several levels. Politically/socially it may be down to wage strucure. How much training and motivation, or sense of ownership are people going to take on board in exchange for working 12 hour shifts for $200-300 per month?

Alex
17-06-2005, 13:20
DJB, your opinon on this comment please.

what's the problem with the comment?

TQ
17-06-2005, 13:23
:suspect:
http://www.studio-international.co.uk/studio-images/russian_landscape/Russian_Landscape_W52_b.jpg

I suspect it's a not a real picture. It was generated in some studio in Hollywood just like the photos taken by Spirit and Opportunity Mars rovers.

DJ Biscuit
17-06-2005, 13:23
He didn't say there was anything wrong with it. A comment begs an opinion especially from people who may have constructive opinions and experience to base them on, that's the nature of a comment.

Lled
17-06-2005, 13:25
He didn't say there was anything wrong with it. A comment begs an opinion especially from people who may have constructive opinions and experience to base them on, that's the nature of a comment.

I think that's worth a beer. Well presented and with almost no swearing, except a slight slip....

jheisel
17-06-2005, 13:26
i am missing the mountains. Boring landscape here.

http://photos14.flickr.com/16619945_c518daed89.jpg?v=0

edit: Hmm, don't know why that isn't showing the actual photo, but click on the link for some Russian mountains.

Green Tea
17-06-2005, 13:33
http://photos14.flickr.com/16619945_c518daed89.jpg

Alex
17-06-2005, 13:35
He didn't say there was anything wrong with it. A comment begs an opinion especially from people who may have constructive opinions and experience to base them on, that's the nature of a comment.

u're right! :)
by the way i agree with u on the low wages and all that, but it doesn't make it right... if the service is better then tips are higher and sometimes i think waiters just dont get that point...

TQ
17-06-2005, 13:45
http://photos14.flickr.com/16619945_c518daed89.jpg

Great picture and planes, reminds me of my past vacation ....breakfast in Moscow , dinner in NYC, luggage in Brazil. :thumbsup:

Of course there're mountains in Russia, however in Moscow it's too flat in my opinion.

DJ Biscuit
17-06-2005, 13:50
That's absolutely correct about tips. But it is a lot deeper than that too, imagine that a large percentage don't earn a lot so they can't leave tips anyway - that fulfills the eternal circle prophecy.

The fact that there is less choice/competition in many areas leads to poor service and less effort too of course.

Then there is history, cultural, specific country wise, and political which contributes to attitude.

Sobranie
17-06-2005, 13:50
GT where is this photo off. its realy great.

autre
17-06-2005, 13:53
Thank you guys for the prompt responses, I greatly appreciate it. I got some ideas already. Let me just straighten it up a little here - I guess I wasnt quite clear on the nature of the "missing parts" I was talking about - Halyavshik got me absolutly right - I'm actually lookin for some onlin/virtual staff that you guys dont find over here. Sorry, I know it might not be as exciting as talkin about bourbon or bagels or some nice and fresh soft taco shells)) Any other thoughts?

jheisel
17-06-2005, 14:03
GT where is this photo off. its realy great.

Lamont, the photo is from Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky. I have many more at www.flickr.com/photos/jheisel/

Halyavshik
17-06-2005, 14:09
Halyavshik got me absolutly right

I always scored high on my reading comprehension tests.

Halyavshik
17-06-2005, 14:12
Clever marketing! "It's not Bourbon, it's unique, buy it!"

Same as Bourbon made in Tokyo isn't technically Bourbon, or Champaign made in Tula.... well...

Well, no, it's not really, is it ? Bourbon is a more specific type of whiskey so the fact that Jack Daniels can't actually call itself bourbon wouldn't be a marketing advantage. It's a drawback. It's just a whiskey and not bourbon whiskey.

I bet you DIDN'T score well on your reading comprehension tests.

Green Tea
17-06-2005, 14:15
Well, no, it's not really, is it ? Bourbon is a more specific type of Whiskey so the fact that Jack Daniels can't actually call itself Bourbon wouldn't be a marketing advantage. It's a drawback. It's just a whiskey and not Bourbon whiskey.

I bet you DIDN'T score well on your reading comprehension tests.

In any case, look at my original post. No JD or JB. I want more Bourbon in Moscow, not just the big boys on the block.

DJ Biscuit
17-06-2005, 14:28
Have you been to the bar Bourbon Street? They have a few and say they are getting loads more soon, the kind you are on about, not the imitations.

Rusty
17-06-2005, 14:47
Lets see, I have seen goldfish crackers, and JD, add peanut-butter, and stalk celary(sp).

Cut meat, non hacked programes, that can be updated, and upgraded. Computer centers that sell wire, and all computer parts (same for most electronics, and applances).

Not putting Russia down as most is great, and cheaper.

:verycool:

Green Tea
17-06-2005, 14:52
Have you been to the bar Bourbon Street? They have a few and say they are getting loads more soon, the kind you are on about, not the imitations.


Yes, I was there yesterday evening. The whole time I was there, there were NO other customers. So, I imagine it won't be there long.

Being able to get Wild Turkey for 200 roubles a pop isn't such a big deal :) I'd rather get a cheap bottle. :cool:

jheisel
17-06-2005, 15:19
Yes, I was there yesterday evening. The whole time I was there, there were NO other customers. So, I imagine it won't be there long.


It's already been around for the better part of two years, homie.

Green Tea
17-06-2005, 15:24
It's already been around for the better part of two years, homie.

Word up, G-dawg. Propz to yaz!

Jiggy Jiggy!

DJ Biscuit
17-06-2005, 15:27
Yes, I was there yesterday evening. The whole time I was there, there were NO other customers. So, I imagine it won't be there long.

Being able to get Wild Turkey for 200 roubles a pop isn't such a big deal :) I'd rather get a cheap bottle. :cool:

Well it's been there a couple of years, not sure how successfully, I've been there on a Saturday a few times and there's been a few in, around 2am or so.

Four Roses for 120 roubs any good to you? :)

Moscow Wolf
17-06-2005, 15:49
What's missing in Russia? Well besides a few hundred thousand to over a few million souls who knows. Organisation springs to mind though.

Ps - have they found Glen Miller yet?

doogiecb
17-06-2005, 15:49
Of course there're mountains in Russia, however in Moscow it's too flat in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Nah, in Moscow isn't every road a walk uphill? Or does it seem that way to me? :rolleyes:

Alex
17-06-2005, 16:12
Yes, I was there yesterday evening. The whole time I was there, there were NO other customers. So, I imagine it won't be there long.


well actually been there on a friday night once - there was an excelent live band there with a blond singer with the "blackest" voice! ho yes and the place was packed...
an other thing missing in Moscow - proper bars! (i know 2, but in a 13 mil. people city it's not enough!)

JeffK
17-06-2005, 16:46
Well, this isn't exactly missing, but I think it is an excellent business opportunity that additionally would free up some real estate for better uses. I suggest that someone start a chain of shops that have a parikmasterskaya, a coffee shop/cafe that sells sushi and casino/slot machines and mobile phones in the same place. If you included a VIP hall with face control, I am sure that you could the new Russians to love it too. Based on all the sh** that they put on the streets, these are the most desired products/services in Moscow. If someone would do this, perhaps those of us who live in the center wouldn't have to travel to "the devil's biscuits" to get a nail or some paint or stuff like that!

pengwn9
17-06-2005, 18:52
You come to an expat website to ask what's missing in Russia online?? The obvious answer. English!! Yep, that's right. I never use Russian websites even though they usually have the information I'm looking for. Why?? Because I don't read Russian.

Here are several examples of Russian website woes: One of the ticket/travel agencies a lot of people on Expat use, Infinity or Advantage or something, I went to hoping to buy an airplane ticket. *sigh* The Home Page with the destination and arrival choices, the whole thing was in English but as soon as you moved on to the rest of transaction everything was wholly in Russian. Hello?! Hello!! Didn't I click on the 'I speak English' option? Yes, I speak English on every page, not just the home page. :suspect: So what's up with that language bait and switch?

Yesterday I went to Aeroflot's website (in English). I looked everywhere for the place where you go to buy a ticket online. Uhh, nyet. Nope. I could look up their entire aviation history, see photos of plane engines, choose meal options....but actually buy the ticket?? Couldn't find it.

Here's another one. I wanted World Championship Figure Skating tickets a couple of months ago. Found the website easy, beautiful photo and greeting from Mayor Luzhkov "Welcome to Moscow!", everything I wanted to know and then some EXCEPT where to buy tickets in Moscow. Nope, not there. Not anywhere. No kacca information, none. This would be an important detail, yes? Only if you want to actually sell tickets, of course.....

So, does any of that help your survey?? Russian websites *can be* very difficult to navigate.

Jake Day
17-06-2005, 18:54
Hi all,

I'm doing some research here at school and I'm pretty sure this would be the right place for me to ask for some help. I've got to get some info on certain services, websites etc that are still missing here in Russia and that are very useful and have found the place in everyday life over there. Say, one of the ideas I came up with was fantasy sports thing - has the greatest number of people involved in the US as an example and is not known over here at all or something like Tivo.. etc, so basically anything in any field that is working good over there and is not known over here just yet. Its hard to come up with the ideas on my own, your help would be greatly appreciated. any ideas?




Fantasy sports - do they involved whipped cream?

autre
18-06-2005, 10:02
pengwn9,
I cant agree with you more on a small number of "english-speaking" websites over here in Russia. I believe that people who shoot them target basically russian speaking audience. Even though I particulary think that any website should always be universal and have an option of choosing to browse it in english. As for aeroflot - I can tell you they never had booking option online - I have no idea why the biggest flying company in russia would overlook this imortant thing. Well there's definitely a lot of work that needs to be done.

Jake Day,
they involve no wipped cream till the guy who gets all the money goes out in Vegas and gets himself couple chiks for the night :rolleyes:

koba65
18-06-2005, 11:24
You come to an expat website to ask what's missing in Russia online?? The obvious answer. English!! Yep, that's right. I never use Russian websites even though they usually have the information I'm looking for. Why?? Because I don't read Russian.

Here are several examples of Russian website woes: One of the ticket/travel agencies a lot of people on Expat use, Infinity or Advantage or something, I went to hoping to buy an airplane ticket. *sigh* The Home Page with the destination and arrival choices, the whole thing was in English but as soon as you moved on to the rest of transaction everything was wholly in Russian. Hello?! Hello!! Didn't I click on the 'I speak English' option? Yes, I speak English on every page, not just the home page. :suspect: So what's up with that language bait and switch?

Yesterday I went to Aeroflot's website (in English). I looked everywhere for the place where you go to buy a ticket online. Uhh, nyet. Nope. I could look up their entire aviation history, see photos of plane engines, choose meal options....but actually buy the ticket?? Couldn't find it.

Here's another one. I wanted World Championship Figure Skating tickets a couple of months ago. Found the website easy, beautiful photo and greeting from Mayor Luzhkov "Welcome to Moscow!", everything I wanted to know and then some EXCEPT where to buy tickets in Moscow. Nope, not there. Not anywhere. No kacca information, none. This would be an important detail, yes? Only if you want to actually sell tickets, of course.....

So, does any of that help your survey?? Russian websites *can be* very difficult to navigate.


www.kontramarka.ru (ok, it's in Russian) - you can order Davis Cup tickets online there right now. They also had the Figure Skating tickets. They deliver to your location (a little more expensive, but worth it - the tickets are in good areas - they usually have an online schematic of the seats so you can pick which ones you want).

www.parter.ru - another site to buy tickets from.

You can order theater tickets on line as well. www.teatr.ru, etc.

Unfortunately the main reason you can't actually purchases (via credit card, paypal, etc) on most RuNet sites is because of the amount of cc fraud going on here.

Anybody remember when AOL was offered in Moscow? They boogied because they were getting ripped off.

Cherry
20-06-2005, 15:18
i am missing the mountains. Boring landscape here.

i advice you to visit the Caucasus..... :)

Cherry
20-06-2005, 15:26
and another one! :)

Ghost
20-06-2005, 15:32
missing here in Russia ?

Law and Order.

TQ
20-06-2005, 15:35
Cherry,

Of course there're so many wonderful landscapes in Russia, and i was talking about Moscow area. However, after seeing so many mountain pics, i am missing my home a bit less than before....thank you all ! :)

by the way, you're very pretty :) :inlove:

Daria
20-06-2005, 15:36
What about Vorobievi Gori!!!! Gori is translated as the mountains! :devilish:
By the way, you may drink enough Russian vodka and even low hills will seem unpassable mountains to you :drink:

Nicole
20-06-2005, 15:55
Law and Order.
Very good point.

Cherry
20-06-2005, 16:02
Cherry,


by the way, you're very pretty :) :inlove:


:inlove: :inlove: you too :inlove: :inlove:

blonde
20-06-2005, 17:50
where is this picture taken?

TQ
20-06-2005, 17:52
OMG please not again :rolleyes: :p

RDV
20-06-2005, 18:03
where is this picture taken?

On an aeroplane?...

;)

blonde
20-06-2005, 18:06
Yeah, very close to the truth ;) :D

RDV
20-06-2005, 18:09
Priceline is missing! At least for hotels if not for planes.

Most importantly the infrastructre is missing. I mean you've got to have a backbone to be able to build services on it. I am no expert in this but my guess is that it will be another decade before you see e-services develop the way they are developing in the US and in Europe.

RDV
20-06-2005, 18:10
Yeah, very close to the truth ;) :D

Shuttle or Soyuz? :D

doogiecb
20-06-2005, 20:41
I miss re-runs of dumb television shows!!!