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Namibia
08-06-2005, 23:35
Depressed mother cooked baby on stove
LONDON (Reuters) - A depressed mother who cooked her three-week-old baby son on a stove needs treatment not jail, a judge decided on Wednesday after she pleaded guilty to manslaughter.

Cheryl Green, 40, who had a long history of mental illness, admitted she had burnt baby Mickle to death after becoming confused and claiming she had heard voices telling her to do it.

She admitted manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility after her 'not guilty' plea was accepted by Old Bailey criminal court.

"This is not a case where the public interest requires punishment. What you need is treatment," Judge Christopher Moss said.

Green had suffered from a schizo-affective disorder which caused her to hear voices and become depressed since 1985, the court heard.

She could also suffer outbursts of violence and had been admitted to hospital on seven previous occasions.

The court heard the baby's death occurred on April 22 last year. Green, who was completely naked, woke her neighbour at 3 a.m. by banging on her door, saying she had locked herself out.

As the neighbour drove Green to her mother's house, she blurted out: "I burnt the baby. I burnt the baby."

They returned to Green's home and found Mickle, who was born prematurely and was said to be no bigger than an adult's hand, lying on the floor in front of the oven with the main gas ring turned up on high.

"I put the baby on the fire. I burnt him on the stove. I got confused," Green said.

Despite suffering 90 percent burns to his body, doctors and paramedics managed to keep the boy alive for nine hours. The incident was so horrific that paramedics had to be given counselling for the emotional trauma they suffered.

Green's lawyer David Fisher said a number of agencies who cared for her had visited her in the days before the incident but there had been mixed views about her condition.

Moss called for those responsible for caring for Green to review their procedures to see if they were adequate.

He ordered that she be put into the "guardianship" of Southwark Council in London where she will be supervised in a care home.

Benedikt
13-06-2005, 16:57
...how can you put a header like this on a story that is sad and horrible.
namibia i think YOU also need treatment...

Braders
13-06-2005, 17:15
Has been renamed, Namibia, please think about what you are typing before posting such a disturbing article.

Namibia
13-06-2005, 18:32
Well, I did think and I found the heading to be meant sarcastic.

The sad part of the story is, that such persons will receive "treatment" and will be released after some years. Why not bring bring back the death penalty? But I think this will provoke other comments from members of this forum.

jchidg1
13-06-2005, 18:36
Well, I did think and I found the heading to be meant sarcastic.

The sad part of the story is, that such persons will receive "treatment" and will be released after some years. Why not bring bring back the death penalty? But I think this will provoke other comments from members of this forum.


Do you understand the meaning of the phrase "mentally ill" Namibia?


oh, why bother.

Namibia
13-06-2005, 20:55
Yes - and there is only one cure!

Chubby Hubby
14-06-2005, 07:10
...how can you put a header like this on a story that is sad and horrible.
namibia i think YOU also need treatment...

What a sensitive little flower you are. I guess the dead baby jokes they used to tell in junior high would leave you crying in a corner somewhere.

jchidg1
14-06-2005, 11:31
Yes - and there is only one cure!

Well if you wish to display your breathtaking ignorance on an open forum on the internet, it's your decision I suppose.

Chubby Hubby
14-06-2005, 11:55
Yes - and there is only one cure!


Celebrity Deathmatch?

Polia Ivanova
14-06-2005, 12:15
Children of certain age are very cruel sometimes but when they glow older they learn to care and be more tolerant and understanding.
Some countries are like children. The state of the society is at the level of great immaturity and I think I have just got a proof that Namibia is in the list.

I remember in late 80s when we had the first death from AIDS in Soviet Union I had a discussion, almost a quarrel with one of my acquaintance about how we should protect ourselves from the decease. Her opinion was – death penalty to the infected because they are danger to all of us. I disagreed that all of us can be infected by unscrupulous doctors or nurses who neglect the new hygiene rules or don’t check blood stock. We had some cases in USSR when dozens of children were infected by “economical” use of disposal syringes. But the lady claimed that it never could happen to decent people so all infected deserve to die.

Being the devil’s advocate I should admit that in the UK a lot of mentally unstable people are returned to the communities not because they are safe to live there but because of the government cutting certain health spending. We had so many cases of people being killed or injured by released mental patients; the government must do something about it.
I never voted for Labour, but others did. Don’t blame me.

Namibia
17-06-2005, 22:42
Well if you wish to display your breathtaking ignorance on an open forum on the internet, it's your decision I suppose.

Strange to see that you would condone this. Maybe you are ignorant towards this kind of behaviour. I would not like to openly defend such behaviour, so feel free......

Namibia
17-06-2005, 22:45
Must be british behaviour?

Jake Day
17-06-2005, 22:50
Well if you wish to display your breathtaking ignorance on an open forum on the internet, it's your decision I suppose.

Is English your first language?

ig·no·rant adj.
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

Namibia
17-06-2005, 23:01
Is English your first language?

ig·no·rant adj.
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

Wow, great you own an Oxford dictionary. Congratulations! Or did you find this on the internet..clever, clever! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Jake Day
18-06-2005, 01:08
Wow, great you own an Oxford dictionary. Congratulations! Or did you find this on the internet..clever, clever! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


www.dictionary.com

I just think it's a bit strange how people are accused of ignorance when they're taking the piss. Makin' fun of loonies isn't 'uneducated' as much as it's just impolite to loonies. Making fun of them here is like shouting the N-word at a 50 Cent concert...

Viagra Girl
18-06-2005, 01:44
Well, I did think and I found the heading to be meant sarcastic.

The sad part of the story is, that such persons will receive "treatment" and will be released after some years. Why not bring bring back the death penalty? But I think this will provoke other comments from members of this forum.
According to your description this woman has mental illness that is NOTHING in common with depression. And she is sick. She needs help. To kill her (death penalty) for what she did is the same as to kill a woman because she had a flu with a high temperature and cough.
Moreover, it is vanishing faint border between be "normal" and feel "normal". Look around - it's hardly to find one adequate person. Do you want to kill others, as they are potentially dangerous?

Benedikt
18-06-2005, 12:03
What a sensitive little flower you are. I guess the dead baby jokes they used to tell in junior high would leave you crying in a corner somewhere.
... no i did not cry in a corner somewhere, i never went to junior high, in austria we have a different education system...
BUT I HAVE A KID, a lovely daughter and every day one can read i nthe newspaper that anothe kid was killed ( or 3 or 5 or 5 for that matter) was beaten / choked / burned to death by ignorant parents / mother / father / stepfather.
and i shoud be not upset about namibia's comment, suppose both you and he do not have children?

Jake Day
18-06-2005, 13:32
According to your description this woman has mental illness that is NOTHING in common with depression. And she is sick. She needs help. To kill her (death penalty) for what she did is the same as to kill a woman because she had a flu with a high temperature and cough.
Moreover, it is vanishing faint border between be "normal" and feel "normal". Look around - it's hardly to find one adequate person. Do you want to kill others, as they are potentially dangerous?

It sounds like you're saying that all pedos and the majority of child-murderers are just victims of their own poor mental health and all they need is good shrinks, group hugs, and meds to be on the road to wellville. I don't buy it. I don't necessarily want to kill them off, but unlike Benedikt I don't have children.

Viagra Girl
18-06-2005, 15:50
It sounds like you're saying that all pedos and the majority of child-murderers are just victims of their own poor mental health and all they need is good shrinks, group hugs, and meds to be on the road to wellville. I don't buy it. I don't necessarily want to kill them off, but unlike Benedikt I don't have children.
You don't buy it, but I did not sell it. Mental health people can be extremely dangerous, but not only them. There are hundreds of murderers, extremists, terrorist in Russia (do you remember Beslan school?), violence, and cruelty. 90 % don't know and don't want to drive following the road rules and kill much more ppl including small children. Why won't to start kill them? May be because it is hard to find and to punish them though that mother is always around?

Namibia
19-06-2005, 21:57
... no i did not cry in a corner somewhere, i never went to junior high, in austria we have a different education system...
BUT I HAVE A KID, a lovely daughter and every day one can read i nthe newspaper that anothe kid was killed ( or 3 or 5 or 5 for that matter) was beaten / choked / burned to death by ignorant parents / mother / father / stepfather.
and i shoud be not upset about namibia's comment, suppose both you and he do not have children?

Yes, and I posted this so that everybody is aware of what is out there. Perhaps you remember what happened in Austria (Graz) some time ago. A famliy had buried (kept in their fridge) 5 (or was it more?) babies.

Why does the truth hurt so much, or are we becoming ignorant..?

Any comments to this?

Benedikt
20-06-2005, 10:08
namibia, i do NOT object to post, i just did object to the HEADING(anyone for dinner...) WHICH I THINK WAS IN POOR TASE.

I AM WELL AWARE WHAT HAPPEND IN AUSTRIA, I AM ALSO WELL AWARE THAT MOST SEXUAL OFFENDERS ARE DOING IT AGAIN AS SOON AS THEY ARE LET OUT FROM AN INSTITUTE / JAIL AND DECLARED CURED BY A PANEL OF SO-CALLED EXPERTS.(i'm not 'shouting' just the caps key got stuck)
i have no answer to what to do with sexoffenders, murderers, child molesters.
but i also do not believe that everything should be blamed away on a bad childhood. father raped me/ mother beat me/ father was an alkoholic / mother a hooker. these thing for sure shape a young persons life and can influence it later.
'treat' them with a lobotomie, so they can exist as harmless vegetables and do no harm? castrate them? feed them strong tranquilizers like jack nicholson in 'one flew over the cucoo's nest'?
i have my own thoughts about this, maybe because i have a kid and just hope nothing will ever happen to her!!!!!!!!!!!!

jchidg1
20-06-2005, 14:09
Strange to see that you would condone this. Maybe you are ignorant towards this kind of behaviour. I would not like to openly defend such behaviour, so feel free......

I was trying to ignore this so much, but i just can't resist:

So, let me get this right.....I am saying that it is perfectly alright to burn a baby on an open gas flame if you are mentally ill.

Of course, absolutely, you've sussed me Namibia, well done. I can only prostrate myself in before your heightened sense of perception and searing insight.

jchidg1
20-06-2005, 14:11
Must be british behaviour?

Opinions formed about Namibia courtesy of this post....hmmm... dare I say global - nay universal - as opposed to British.

jchidg1
20-06-2005, 14:13
Is English your first language?

ig·no·rant adj.
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.


And your point is?

equalizer
20-06-2005, 14:26
very poor taste and hopefully the mods will remove it as it is sickly and does not really blend in with the site.
i also could have mentioned the sad case about the Krasnoyarsk youngsters last month but it is unnessasry and they should be respected and not discussesd on some forum

Ghost
20-06-2005, 14:47
I'm sorry, I didn't read the ongoing banter but my opinion, and it is my opinion only, is that this person deserves death for such an act. Murder is murder, and unless you're doing it in self defense (to protect yourself or a loved one, etc) then saying "the voices made me do it" is crap.

If that's soldier's mentality, then so be it.

jchidg1
20-06-2005, 14:59
very poor taste and hopefully the mods will remove it as it is sickly and does not really blend in with the site.
i also could have mentioned the sad case about the Krasnoyarsk youngsters last month but it is unnessasry and they should be respected and not discussesd on some forum

To an extent I agree with you Eq., although it would be a pity if informed, reasonable discussion of controversial, emotive or sensitive issues were precluded due to the fear of offending someone.

However, I think the original poster here has deliberately targeted a tragic incident in order to provoke debate and appear controversial. I think it has backfired on him/her as he/she has completely missed the point of subsequent posts and has failed to take on board the arguments of other posters. I'm sure the vast majority of reasonable, informed people,
( harrumph) who use this site will draw their own conclusions.

....but hey...what would I know?? I'm "British" ( oh most heinous of sins,) and, according to Jake's book of "How to be a pedantic c*ck, lacking in wit, intelligence and grammatical accuracy in three easy steps," (page 5,) English is not my first language.

So there you go.