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dacha_culture
28-04-2005, 19:43
At the end of World War II, the Nazis were soundly defeated, but they were not unemployed. While most of the world was hunting Nazi leaders down, a newly-formed organization of one particular country was busy recruiting them. Among the Nazis that were put back to work were: Hitler’s main intelligence officer Reinhard Gehlen, former SS officers Alfred Six and Emil Augsburg, the mastermind of the Holocaust Otto von Bolschwing, and Colonel Otto Skorzeny, a personal friend of Hitler. Though the Nazis proved less than effective at gathering truthful intelligence, their employment did bring something useful to the table: the Nazi torture manual.

From the next several decades, the organization that employed the Nazis has continued to be a threat to the free world. Numerous terrorist attacks carried out by this organization include bombing an airliner, attacking embassies, and machine-gunning a tourist hotel. On a larger scale, this organization is responsible for destroying freedom in several democratic countries by disposing of elected leaders (and often replacing them with brutal tyrants). The organization is also known to have taught savage torture techniques which were used to torture and kill many innocent lives.

It is almost certain that this organization, the CIA, is by far the most active terrorist organization in the world today. And as the personal terrorist agency of the President of the United States, the CIA is certainly well-protected. The fact that American enlisted soldiers took the fall for the recent CIA-instructed Abu Ghraib prisoner torture shows that in this War of Terror, even our own soldiers are expendable in the plight of torturing innocents for the “interests of national security.” Read another way:
There is no problem with countless thousands of innocent civilians dying, of countries terrorized and denied freedom, not to mention the deaths of a several hundred US/British/coalition soldiers, as long as the wealthy become wealthier and stay in control, and the standard of living is acceptable enough for the US population not to complain.

Though there are definitely many differences with how the Nazis operated versus how the current US government operates, the end result seems quite similar. The difference is that instead of all out war, the US is quietly gaining a stranglehold on other countries through a combination of sabotaging democratic governments, economic warfare, the threat of a large nuclear arsenal (weapons for terrorizing other nations), ever-expanding military bases, and if the newest method: “preemptive warfare.” If looked at from an unbiased point of view, the current actions of the US are definitely comparable to our past wartime enemies. A thorough article discussing this matter can be found here:
Imperial Presidency (http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20041217.htm)

Other references:
History of the CIA (http://home.att.net/~Resurgence/CIAtimeline.html)
US Terror Campaign against Cuba (http://www.chomsky.info/books/hegemony02.htm)

Doc Holiday
28-04-2005, 20:03
Alas, a "let's bash the US" post, this time by callin' 'em Nazis. How very cosmopolitan.

yankee@moscow
28-04-2005, 20:23
What cracks me up is that these types of posts by Americans will magically disappear as soon as a democrat is elected president. I wonder why? :snoring:

koba65
29-04-2005, 00:52
My oh my - none other than Noam Chomsky. Now there's an "unimpeachable" source (sarcasm). What more can you expect from a guy who calls himself an "anarchist-liberterian-socialist"? :rolleyes:

equalizer
29-04-2005, 10:26
to early to even consider a reply to this one

dacha_culture
01-05-2005, 10:03
What cracks me up is that these types of posts by Americans will magically disappear as soon as a democrat is elected president. I wonder why? :snoring:

Your right Yankee, I forgot to mention that the CIA closes its offices when a democrat is president. Thanks for clearing that up.

dacha_culture
01-05-2005, 10:06
My oh my - none other than Noam Chomsky. Now there's an "unimpeachable" source (sarcasm). What more can you expect from a guy who calls himself an "anarchist-liberterian-socialist"? :rolleyes:

So your definition of anarchist-liberterian-socialist is "self-proclaimed liar." Seems you are having trouble with big words. I would suggest consulting a dictionary next time.

It is so sad how quick people are to dismiss commentary or ideas based on a person's religion, color of skin, or political viewpoint. Koba, what you said is no different from saying: I don't trust that Noam character because he's a black man.

dacha_culture
01-05-2005, 10:46
Alas, a "let's bash the US" post

So if I say there are inherent problems with the CIA, it's bashing the US. But if the President of the United States calls certain countries an "Axis of Evil" that is constructive criticism? Think before you type.

yankee@moscow
01-05-2005, 18:15
Your right Yankee, I forgot to mention that the CIA closes its offices when a democrat is president. Thanks for clearing that up.

Double :snoring: :snoring:

Crazyeelboy
02-05-2005, 14:04
Here is an interesting concept for fora such as this... It comes from wikipedia.org.

Godwin's law (also Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies) is an adage in Internet culture that was originated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states that:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress.

J.D.
02-05-2005, 15:14
So your definition of anarchist-liberterian-socialist is "self-proclaimed liar." Seems you are having trouble with big words. I would suggest consulting a dictionary next time.

It is so sad how quick people are to dismiss commentary or ideas based on a person's religion, color of skin, or political viewpoint. Koba, what you said is no different from saying: I don't trust that Noam character because he's a black man.

I don't dismiss people based on the color of their skin but I often do based on their religious or political views. That kind of goes with having your own opinion. Chompsky is like John Lennon. He only has a political audience because of his great work, in a totally unrelated field.

Agrappa
02-05-2005, 16:58
I don't dismiss people based on the color of their skin but I often do based on their religious or political views. That kind of goes with having your own opinion. Chompsky is like John Lennon. He only has a political audience because of his great work, in a totally unrelated field.

I listen to views that are expressed well and cogently - even if they are different to mine. I will quite probably not change my views to theirs, but this often unearths facts I was not aware of, raises questions that are very good questions or looks at things from a perspective that at least makes you think. Chompsky is in this category. The article linked to was not about comparing the US with the Nazis as some claimed - those that did not read it I suppose (theres a good basis for an opinion) - it was worth reading in my view.

Doc Holiday
02-05-2005, 23:23
So if I say there are inherent problems with the CIA, it's bashing the US. But if the President of the United States calls certain countries an "Axis of Evil" that is constructive criticism?

Where on earth did I say that "if the President of the United States calls certain countries an "Axis of Evil" that is constructive criticism?"

Ah yes, I remember. I didn't. That was you.



Think before you type.

Good advice. Why not take it?

dacha_culture
03-05-2005, 06:52
Double :snoring: :snoring:

This is a classic example of the disgusting attitude that the conservative American has when informed that certain actions by the US might actually be harmful to people of other nations. Not that these people don't care about anything: tell them that the rate of their tax bracket will increase and they will start squealing like pigs.

This reminds me of the time a Russian friend of mine attented a lecture in the US a couple years back. When the subject of torturing POWs came up, one lady was quick to comment: "Who cares, they're just foreigners." It's amazing how many Americans think this way.

dacha_culture
03-05-2005, 07:10
Where on earth did I say that "if the President of the United States calls certain countries an "Axis of Evil" that is constructive criticism?"

I'm sorry that you failed to understand. Let me slow down for you. The second part of the sentence which you quoted above was sarcasm (in other words, I wasn't suggesting you said it, but merely exposing the hypocrisy of such a comment.) Are you still with me? Let me break it down:
1) The US president in an address to the nation and the rest of the world (not too long ago) resorted to what was basically name calling, or "bashing" other nations.
2) In such a case that our current president is calling other nations "evil," it is exremely silly that people like yourself should get so offended by comments critical of the CIA, that you should misinterpret the post (or just not even bother to read it) and suggest that I was calling the US "a bunch of Nazis."

Before replying, I would urge that you read or reread the post until you actually understand it.

dacha_culture
03-05-2005, 07:14
Here is an interesting concept for fora such as this... It comes from wikipedia.org.

There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress.

That's amusing. I hadn't heard that before.

Doc Holiday
03-05-2005, 10:03
I'm sorry that you failed to understand. Let me slow down for you.

I understood it jus' fine, mah politically-biased, obsessed-with-conspiracy theory friend. 'Twas you who missed mah point. Neither I, nor anyone else here it would seem, gives a bucket o' piss about your slanted commentarah'. Nor further do we care what Bush gone an' said 'bout Axis o' Evil countries.

Allow me to sum up for further clarity: WE....DON'T...CARE.

Bet yer one of them fellas that believes the US faked the moon landin' too, aren't ya?

sparky
03-05-2005, 10:06
Bet yer one of them fellas that believes the US faked the moon landin' too, aren't ya?

But you have to admit the space program was led by the same guy who invented the German V2 (and others) rockets, now where was he employed during the 1930/40s?

Doc Holiday
03-05-2005, 10:17
Indeed, sir! The connection is beginnin' ta come into focus.

koba65
03-05-2005, 11:55
But you have to admit the space program was led by the same guy who invented the German V2 (and others) rockets, now where was he employed during the 1930/40s?

And Albert Einstein was a big part of developing the nuclear bomb - should we condemn him as well? A lot of modern "conviences" were developed initially for military use (jet aircraft, etc.).

koba65
03-05-2005, 12:01
So your definition of anarchist-liberterian-socialist is "self-proclaimed liar." Seems you are having trouble with big words. I would suggest consulting a dictionary next time.

It is so sad how quick people are to dismiss commentary or ideas based on a person's religion, color of skin, or political viewpoint. Koba, what you said is no different from saying: I don't trust that Noam character because he's a black man.



That's a ridiculous statement. I don't trust Noam Chomsky because what he writes is complete nonsense - could care less whether he's a black man, white man, jew, nativie american, martian. He's an idiot. But it's a nice "liberal" tactic to try to label a conservative a "nazi," or in this case, a "racist." Nice try, but intelluctually dishonest.

Obviously you misunderstood what I meant by "self proclaimed" liar.... Try digging a little deeper...

sparky
03-05-2005, 12:04
And Albert Einstein was a big part of developing the nuclear bomb - should we condemn him as well? A lot of modern "conviences" were developed initially for military use (jet aircraft, etc.).


Who was condemning anybody? I was just pointing out that the basis of the US space program were Nazi scientist which were openly welcomed (after a suitable detention period) to the US after WWII. Something that you, and other posters, seem to be in denial about

koba65
03-05-2005, 12:29
Who was condemning anybody? I was just pointing out that the basis of the US space program were Nazi scientist which were openly welcomed (after a suitable detention period) to the US after WWII. Something that you, and other posters, seem to be in denial about

Who is in denial? It's a fact that our "rocket" builders were Germans who worked in the Nazi government. Just like the Soviets had Nazi scientists working for them, like the Brits, etc. What's the point about bringing this up in a thread that started as trying to infer the US was some sort of Nazi refuge? It's a strange road to go down - after all, we could condemn Bayer aspirin, Sony, Honda, Seimens, etc. etc. etc., for the roles they played in their respective governements' aims at world (and/or regional) domination...

Ghost
03-05-2005, 12:37
This thread seems to be about person A telling person B what person B is saying. The original topic is nothing more than a rerun of overplayed "Down With the USA" politics. I suggest everyone go participate in K-girls spring thread. You'll all feel a lot better.

sparky
03-05-2005, 12:40
I wasn’t defending the thread, which is just pointless, just the outrage expressed that there was any suggestion that the US has any involvement with members of the Nazi regime.

Interestingly, the position that a lot of these people where working under duress in that regime seems to have been missed.

Ghost
03-05-2005, 12:54
I did not say you were defending the thread. I merely pointed ....

Oh forget it. People are going to assume what they want regardless of what I post! :(

Halyavshik
03-05-2005, 12:56
People are going to assume what they want regardless of what I post! :(

Stop slagging Clinton off ! Every single post !

aysihsK
03-05-2005, 14:34
:rolleyes: what do normal ppl think about during this lovely season? - love an shagging, shagging an love ;) planning vacations..:eh:...well maybe bout getting out of the office earlier to enjoy some sun, shagging and love :p


and look at you?? :rolleyes: jesus!

Goose0009
04-05-2005, 02:25
And Albert Einstein was a big part of developing the nuclear bomb - should we condemn him as well? A lot of modern "conviences" were developed initially for military use (jet aircraft, etc.).
I wouldn't say a big part. Enrico Fermi, Robert Oppenheimer, Niels Bohr, Joseph Carter contributed large amount of work to the Manhattan Project.

Chubby Hubby
08-05-2005, 10:12
I'm sorry that you failed to understand. Let me slow down for you. The second part of the sentence which you quoted above was sarcasm (in other words, I wasn't suggesting you said it, but merely exposing the hypocrisy of such a comment.) Are you still with me? Let me break it down:
1) The US president in an address to the nation and the rest of the world (not too long ago) resorted to what was basically name calling, or "bashing" other nations.
2) In such a case that our current president is calling other nations "evil," it is exremely silly that people like yourself should get so offended by comments critical of the CIA, that you should misinterpret the post (or just not even bother to read it) and suggest that I was calling the US "a bunch of Nazis."

Before replying, I would urge that you read or reread the post until you actually understand it.


Such an informative post. I've always thought names like Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and William Kristol sounded a little too German. I'm sure that SS CIA plants have infiltrated the seemingly kosher neo-conervative movement. As soon as they build that wall around Israel, I'm sure they'll put barbed wire on top of it and make it the world's biggest concentration camp...

Big Bugga
08-05-2005, 20:16
All of you but Ghost and K-girl owe me a beer. I spent good Pron surfin time to read this crap! (bonk). In simple answer to this and every (Dang you EVIL NAZI American scum) thread, past and future. Yes we are bad, yes we kill people, yes we like drive throughs. We are awful, we are the devil, ect ect ect..blah blah blah. Only difference between us and what ever Government runs your country, we make CNN. We like to air out our dirtly laundry, the world loves to read about it and gripe, thats all, nothin else. Blood, guts, torture, rape ...polution, misuse of public funds..yea all big countries do it. And in answer to the tool bag bringing up "Nazi" scientist ect workin for the US (and just about every other big country after WW2 that could get their hands on one). Um ..most of those guys hated the freakin' Nazi's! These guys had to work for them, you know one of those (you vil make us a big boomy roket seng, or ve gunna poke you in zee eye ballz wiz zee hot poker!). All comedy aside, after having say your wife and daughter threated with gang rape by a bunch of jack boot wearin' storm troopers and a freee trip to the death camps, I'm sure you'd be happy to make even "dubbyah" a rocket of his own. Sweet lord, get out of the house put down the "who dunnit" books, grab a beer, check out the UBER hot Russian gal's walkin' down the street and get a life. That all being said I'm off to find new and exciting forms of Pron..and probably grab a donut....mmmmm donut glglglgllg

Bugga'

Green Tea
01-06-2005, 12:36
What cracks me up is that these types of posts by Americans will magically disappear as soon as a democrat is elected president. I wonder why? :snoring:

Right, and when a Democrat is in power you only see pervert Republicans trying to make a shameless witch hunt based on sex.

Remember that ? Remember Kenneth Star ???.......Yes, that was a quiet time in US domestic politcs, wasn't it ? Everyone got along so wonderfully.... :vomit:

Judge
01-06-2005, 16:22
To be top dog in this world you have to break a few heads,it's simple as that...
If you don't you will have your own head broken..
It's not a pretty thing but hey shit happens.

Crazyeelboy
04-06-2005, 22:12
Right, and when a Democrat is in power you only see pervert Republicans trying to make a shameless witch hunt based on sex.

Remember that ? Remember Kenneth Star ???.......Yes, that was a quiet time in US domestic politcs, wasn't it ? Everyone got along so wonderfully.... :vomit:

Tea:

If you were paying even a little attention to the impeachment situation, you would know it was about the Commander in Chief lying to a court, it was not about sex. If it were about sex, it would have been about sexual harassment, but the crime was about lying under oath and the concern was whether the laws of the land apply to the President as well as to the rest of us.

Ned Kelly
04-06-2005, 22:29
Tea:

If you were paying even a little attention to the impeachment situation, you would know it was about the Commander in Chief lying to a court, it was not about sex. If it were about sex, it would have been about sexual harassment, but the crime was about lying under oath and the concern was whether the laws of the land apply to the President as well as to the rest of us.

i couldn't stand clinton - though he looks 100-times more impressive in hindsight, given bush - and thought he should have been impeached for lying under oath. but no-one in their right mind though can say he was not the subject of an unbelievable witch-hunt.

trebor
05-06-2005, 19:31
.................but no-one in their right mind though can say he was not the subject of an unbelievable witch-hunt.

Only a knucklehead would consider such a witch-hunt unbelievable! :rolleyes: