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Birusa
25-09-2003, 12:21
I work in the male environement. Have of my tead are men from the States, UK, etc. I always thought that all these talks about the glass ceiling for women is true for Russian companies only and now I get exactly the same thing in a foreign company. I'm so tired of fighting this battle, of proving to everyone that I'm smart and a good specialist.

I'm just curious to know if it's only my problem?

jules
25-09-2003, 13:51
No, unfortunately the glass ceiling reaches far beyond the borders of the former iron curtain. Things are improving slowly, though certain sectors remain essentially bastions of male influence. I don't know what sector you work in, so I can't theorise if it'll always be like it is for you now...

I'd say the gender disparity situation in employment is worse here - at least in order to get a job in the West you don't have to attach your photo to your resume, give your age and describe your appearance. I'm still shocked at that here.

We could get into a whole philosophical discussion about it, but I'm not in the mood. Instead, here's some pithy quotes on the topic:

Whatever women must do they must do twice as well as men to be thought half as good. Luckily, this is not difficult. (Charlotte Whitton)

A man's got to do what a man's got to do. A woman must do what he can't. (Rhonda Hansome)

A woman whose goal is to be equal to a man has no ambition! (Anita Ryan)

;)

Beautiful people
25-09-2003, 13:52
Hi,
I have sent a PM to you,maybe we can discuss it in PM?, if you need it to be in here also its okay with me!

twaj
25-09-2003, 16:00
I've never felt any camraderie with any woman I've ever worked with. Women already get to say when we get to have sex and want us to buy them dinner and presents - why give them more societal carrots? If I had a professional job and a woman that was younger than me became my boss, I'd start to apply for other jobs even if I enjoyed my work. In fact, whenever I had to work for a woman that was my age, I'd sabotage everything she did. Women are only enjoyable company when they are emotionally needy.

Birusa
25-09-2003, 16:02
I feel sorry for you - you deprive yourself of so much!

allice
25-09-2003, 16:04
Originally posted by twaj
I've never felt any camraderie with any woman I've ever worked with. Women already get to say when we get to have sex and want us to buy them dinner and presents - why give them more societal carrots? If I had a professional job and a woman that was younger than me became my boss, I'd start to apply for other jobs even if I enjoyed my work. In fact, whenever I had to work for a woman that was my age, I'd sabotage everything she did. Women are only enjoyable company when they are emotionally needy.

nice... nice...
:rolleyes:

twaj
25-09-2003, 16:05
It comes from the fact that my mother and I have always hated each other. Then again, I get along with my little sisters. I've never been terribly unhappy working for women that were at least 10 years older than me.

Beautiful people
25-09-2003, 16:06
Birusa!
I see from you statements that you are not lonely, you just need to consult a Psychiartist thats all!

Birusa
25-09-2003, 16:06
Originally posted by twaj
It comes from the fact that my mother and I have always hated each other. Then again, I get along with my little sisters. I've never been terribly unhappy working for women that were at least 10 years older than me.

That explains it. You are looking for a mother in your relations with women and just dispose those who do not meet this criteria.

Birusa
25-09-2003, 16:08
Originally posted by Beautiful people
Birusa!
I see from you statements that you are not lonely, you just need to consult a Psychiartist thats all!


You MUST be an AMERICAN. Only in the US people turn to psychiatrists on every minor problem. We Russian turn to our friends for help.

Beautiful people
25-09-2003, 16:22
U Russians have so many friends who are Psychiatric doctors????:p

Birusa
25-09-2003, 16:22
EXACTLY!!! You got it!!!

Beautiful people
25-09-2003, 16:24
I get things fast into my head you know why?because I am not a Russian:p

Birusa
25-09-2003, 16:25
So I was right about you? You are American?

Beautiful people
25-09-2003, 16:27
Also I can see from your statements and acceptance that are a lot of Physic women in Russia! you really have to accept this fact!

just joking! :p

Beautiful people
25-09-2003, 16:28
Do u feel my english is so good for an American, anyways I cannot date you!:p

Birusa
25-09-2003, 16:29
Originally posted by Beautiful people
Also I can see from your statements and acceptance that are a lot of Physic women in Russia! you really have to accept this fact!

just joking! :p


Risking to admit my stupidity, I still have to say that I did not get it. What do you mean by "Physic women"?

Birusa
25-09-2003, 16:31
Originally posted by Beautiful people
Do u feel my english is so good for an American, anyways I cannot date you!:p

Such a relief to know. Sorry.

Beautiful people
25-09-2003, 16:34
almost all the russian women are very strong and filled with energy! they really dont know how to spend this energy! hence I called them so!

You just need a long session which will make you tired upto your nails thats all!:p

twaj
25-09-2003, 16:37
I'm not sure - I had a one-year relationship with this girl Gina who earned twice what I earned doing project management work. She hadn't graduated from high school but was very task oriented, pleasant, and outgoing. She's also a very capable leader. I had always been ok working with women before her but I came to resent her because I couldn't keep up. She left me for my unemployed friend who cooks and cleans for her. In the end, he was just a better kiss ass than I am - she and I have more in common but we fought. He just lets her take command.


Originally posted by Birusa
That explains it. You are looking for a mother in your relations with women and just dispose those who do not meet this criteria.

Beautiful people
25-09-2003, 16:52
Sincerely speaking! these kinda relationships must be "**** and forget"