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len
19-02-2010, 11:32
:idea::idea::idea:a rule should be created if its not there already: before any new thread is posted one must read ten unread posts and respond to five to be allowed to post.:rules:

Judge
20-02-2010, 19:20
To all members...please post in the correct part of the forum...

len, I think you're onto something here...

J.D.
20-02-2010, 21:58
:idea::idea::idea:a rule should be created if its not there already: before any new thread is posted one must read ten unread posts and respond to five to be allowed to post.:rules:

I assume you would exempt yourself from this rule

or was it inspired by your own actions?

Bels
21-02-2010, 21:35
Len. I also think you are onto something. I'm for it. I do appologise for some negative posters here. Briliant idea, and well discussing. I repeat, I am for it.

A very good proposal.

Bels
21-02-2010, 21:48
:idea::idea::idea:a rule should be created if its not there already: before any new thread is posted one must read ten unread posts and respond to five to be allowed to post.:rules:

Well ok! Ithink I get your jist. However in dtail how is that possible. Perhaps new member can only be allowed to respond, or post in particular sections. Showing their introduction and desires of becoming a member her. Perhaps joining in the social side , such as expat cafe etc. That is before having the expat privelidge of simply advertising their personal business, or their companies business on advertising themselves and then just disappearing.

This is a forum after all. Not some kind of advertising directory. It is first and foremost a forum first and foremost. And when members decide to advertise here, they should already be known and trusted, within reason of course.

len
22-02-2010, 17:01
that was just a by the way.



Well ok! Ithink I get your jist. However in dtail how is that possible. Perhaps new member can only be allowed to respond, or post in particular sections. Showing their introduction and desires of becoming a member her. Perhaps joining in the social side , such as expat cafe etc. That is before having the expat privelidge of simply advertising their personal business, or their companies business on advertising themselves and then just disappearing.

This is a forum after all. Not some kind of advertising directory. It is first and foremost a forum first and foremost. And when members decide to advertise here, they should already be known and trusted, within reason of course.

len
22-02-2010, 17:04
there is no way ill be exempted. i love reading what people write, thou i dont see it happening. cheers.



I assume you would exempt yourself from this rule

or was it inspired by your own actions?

mikegulf
22-02-2010, 17:22
Isn't restricting somebodys ability to post or respond simply because they are new rather draconian? What happened to freedom of thought or expression? Of course there should be guidelines on acceptable taste...cursing, libel, slander, etc... Speech shouldn't be restricted as long as it is in good taste.

J.D.
22-02-2010, 17:57
... Speech shouldn't be restricted as long as it is in good taste.

Some would find this statement to be in bad taste.

Willy
22-02-2010, 20:36
Some would find this statement to be in bad taste.


What taste good to one may taste bad to another.


I think someone really smart said that but I can remember who.

J.D.
22-02-2010, 20:41
What taste good to one may taste bad to another.


I think someone really smart said that but I can remember who.

Probably a mother with multiple children.

Bels
22-02-2010, 20:47
What taste good to one may taste bad to another.


I think someone really smart said that but I can remember who.

You got a rare thanks from bels. A very true tastement. Problem is that I don't find you very tasty in other posts.

Bels
22-02-2010, 20:53
there is no way ill be exempted. i love reading what people write, thou i dont see it happening. cheers.

Believe me it has happened, and is happening. But occasionally there is a fight to make it continue to happen. Yes there are some who want it not to happen, and that is a battle happening now.

Now for many new members there may well appear restrictions in joining here, but you shouldn't worry about it if you are human, and want to join here, be friends, dispute about problems etc. You are all most welcome. The style is there only there to avoid spammers. Not those who want to genuine members of expat.ru. Join us, and help us make it a better place.

Bels
22-02-2010, 20:59
Some would find this statement to be in bad taste.

As far as I know free speech is allowed here. Bad taste is a matter of opinion from each individual. For example some would not like to discuss racism, feminism, ageism here. But it should be discussed. However when it gets into hatred and anger , and upsets too many members then it might be stopped. Hatred between the majority I guess will be controlled.

But in general, let us an open and good forum here, and perhaps a good community here.

ezik
22-02-2010, 23:18
:idea::idea::idea:a rule should be created if its not there already: before any new thread is posted one must read ten unread posts and respond to five to be allowed to post.:rules:

Why?

is4fun
23-02-2010, 01:18
Why?

Yes Ezik, I erred. There is no reason for it actually. Post when one has something to say!

IvanInMoscow
24-02-2010, 04:14
:idea::idea::idea:a rule should be created if its not there already: before any new thread is posted one must read ten unread posts and respond to five to be allowed to post.:rules:

I will not disagree with the idea presented. I will, however point to (as the Russians say) the other side of the medal.

If implemented, that idea (as I understand it) may give you a steady flow of posts for posts' sake...

... such as this one.

Cheers.

nbogaard
24-02-2010, 08:22
I agree with Ezik, why? Is there some value added by having read posts and responded to them? Does it make for better threads if you have done so? I think this is silly. I read the threads which interest me and don't read the others and if someone creates an interesting thread, I'll check it out. If it turns out to be inane, no problem, I've wasted all of 30 seconds.

len
24-02-2010, 15:21
mother?????
why not parents with multiple children?
that is so gender.


Probably a mother with multiple children.

len
24-02-2010, 15:24
that was a pure gesture born out of a pure mind. no hidden agender. rub off whatever you have of it.



I will not disagree with the idea presented. I will, however point to (as the Russians say) the other side of the medal.

If implemented, that idea (as I understand it) may give you a steady flow of posts for posts' sake...

... such as this one.

Cheers.

ezik
24-02-2010, 21:39
I don't think that anyone is hinting at a hidden agenda. It's a fair suggestion, Len, thanks.

The suggestion would force new members to show/display interest in the forum, but the effect that IvanInMoscow describes is a realistic scenario.

People, bar spammers, join the forum for the reason of both gathering information and the sheer activity of posting, whether aimed at sharing information or socialising. Spammers are being dealt with appropriately and any other new member should be able to post as much as he/she wants to. To post and get reactions, as you experience yourself now, is the best way to get involved and reactions from others.

The ability to post is something that, in my view, should be available from the very beginning.

robertmf
24-02-2010, 21:46
I will not disagree with the idea presented. I will, however point to (as the Russians say) the other side of the medal.

If implemented, that idea (as I understand it) may give you a steady flow of posts for posts' sake...

... such as this one.

Cheers.

I will disagree with the idea as presented; but do agree the other side of the coin should be looked at. Do Russians say, "medal" ?

BTW "the other side of the coin" is the obverse side. :brush:

Bels
24-02-2010, 21:55
Anything that encourages new members to join us as active members are most welcome. Argumentive or placid. Sometimes we need this argument to fire us up here, and make it intersting here.

For example. What kind of forum would it be if we all posted here, and all the others members simply stated that I agree with you. We need fire here now a nd again. And when that happens. everybody starts to get excited. When we get to start agreeing with each other? We start falling asleep. Apart fro m the informative side of getting visas a and visas for example. Of course we need a build up of information that everyone experiences.

But general opinion, let's be fair about it! We are all human, and if we have a difference? Explode it, but be careful, as we must be politically correct, and not offend large groups. I am sure that you know what I am talking about. Take care! When you you have strong words to say! Continue to be politically correct and you will survive here. Just take care! in not offending others of large groups!Take care! No matter how strong you feel!


I don't think that anyone is hinting at a hidden agenda. It's a fair suggestion, Len, thanks.

The suggestion would force new members to show/display interest in the forum, but the effect that IvanInMoscow describes is a realistic scenario.

People, bar spammers, join the forum for the reason of both gathering information and the sheer activity of posting, whether aimed at sharing information or socialising. Spammers are being dealt with appropriately and any other new member should be able to post as much as he/she wants to. To post and get reactions, as you experience yourself now, is the best way to get involved and reactions from others.

The ability to post is something that, in my view, should be available from the very beginning.

mikegulf
24-02-2010, 22:41
When I made reference to good or bad taste I was referring to something called civility. I apologize if that wasn't clear. There are things referred to as slander and libel and those are what I was driving at. I agree that what some people think is good to others is bad. The arts automatically come to mind.

IvanInMoscow
25-02-2010, 00:11
I will disagree with the idea as presented; but do agree the other side of the coin should be looked at. Do Russians say, "medal" ?

BTW "the other side of the coin" is the obverse side. :brush:



Russians do say "medal".

BTW I was sure that "the other side of the coin" is the reverse side. Obverse -- heads, reverse -- tails. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. Or did I miss something else altogether?

Bels
25-02-2010, 00:20
Isn't restricting somebodys ability to post or respond simply because they are new rather draconian? What happened to freedom of thought or expression? Of course there should be guidelines on acceptable taste...cursing, libel, slander, etc... Speech shouldn't be restricted as long as it is in good taste.

I thiink it is very simple. We are trying to encourage new active forum members who have interest in joining us for conversation. Like a community?

But yes we all have or different interests, but what we don;t like are single or few posters who come here and don't respond anymore. We need a build up of regular members. Not simply advertisors of whom we nothing about.

To put it in a nutshell , we need real people, even those who might end up being a pain in the **** just real people. That is it!

tvadim133
25-02-2010, 00:23
Russians do say "medal".

BTW I was sure that "the other side of the coin" is the reverse side. Obverse -- heads, reverse -- tails. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. Or did I miss something else altogether?


Russians use to say "two sides of medal", "two sides of the moon", "two sides of one stick" (rare).

Bels
25-02-2010, 00:24
Russians do say "medal".

BTW I was sure that "the other side of the coin" is the reverse side. Obverse -- heads, reverse -- tails. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. Or did I miss something else altogether?

You are correct. Heads on the British coin is the Queens head, tails is the other side and might be two lions. Which one do you choose? From this heads or tals we have the expressions. 50/50 for example.

Bels
25-02-2010, 00:28
Russians use to say "two sides of medal", "two sides of the moon", "two sides of one stick" (rare).

Two sides of the coin is the only one I can think of in English. Perhaps others can come up with other expression. I have no doubt that there are two side of the coin being the most common expressin in the English language.

LOL. There are two sides to the coin in the arguments we are having at the moment in expat.ru. And isn't it fun !

tvadim133
25-02-2010, 00:36
Two sides of the coin is the only one I can think of in English. Perhaps others can come up with other expression. I have no doubt that there are two side of the coin being the most common expressin in the English language.

LOL. There are two sides to the coin in the arguments we are having at the moment in expat.ru. And isn't it fun !

Agree. Russian use the expressions, which I mentioned above, in Russian, not in English (that is it is a translation into English).

len
25-02-2010, 09:59
nicely put. thank you.



I don't think that anyone is hinting at a hidden agenda. It's a fair suggestion, Len, thanks.

The suggestion would force new members to show/display interest in the forum, but the effect that IvanInMoscow describes is a realistic scenario.

People, bar spammers, join the forum for the reason of both gathering information and the sheer activity of posting, whether aimed at sharing information or socialising. Spammers are being dealt with appropriately and any other new member should be able to post as much as he/she wants to. To post and get reactions, as you experience yourself now, is the best way to get involved and reactions from others.

The ability to post is something that, in my view, should be available from the very beginning.

is4fun
25-02-2010, 18:57
To all members...please post in the correct part of the forum...

len, I think you're onto something here...

This post is not in the correct forum! This should not be in this forum.

Bels
25-02-2010, 22:03
Agreed also. I foind it very difficult to argue with Ezik. He is so diplomatic. Maybe he is realy British.


nicely put. thank you.

Bels
25-02-2010, 22:17
Funny, but I couldn't have put this opinion in a better way. The reason members join is an important issue. Do they want to join us as part of the community of expats, and Russians are most certainly welcome here to join us, of which we have many, such as tvadim133, Err! Judge!! He has gone unfortunatelely. But we have several good Russians here of whom are respected members here. We are together, and that is what we want. It is a forum, and what is a forum? To me a forum is aplace of a community of common interests. We have thousands of forums of different interests. But this is a forum for English speaking expats in Russia, with also Russains who are friends of expats in Russia. Our Russian friends might have different reasons of joining, however their main purpose is to be friends of expats, or it might be simply to paractice their English knowledge. All very good reasons as to being members of expat.ru.

However those who want to quickly slip in to post so called profitable messages , then they are not welcome. WHY! Because it is a community forum. If you wish to simply advertise , then pay for your advertising. It is that simple.


I don't think that anyone is hinting at a hidden agenda. It's a fair suggestion, Len, thanks.

The suggestion would force new members to show/display interest in the forum, but the effect that IvanInMoscow describes is a realistic scenario.

People, bar spammers, join the forum for the reason of both gathering information and the sheer activity of posting, whether aimed at sharing information or socialising. Spammers are being dealt with appropriately and any other new member should be able to post as much as he/she wants to. To post and get reactions, as you experience yourself now, is the best way to get involved and reactions from others.

The ability to post is something that, in my view, should be available from the very beginning.