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ezik
31-01-2010, 16:45
Dear all,

For years, the Teacher's discussion forum was a long list of topics. As the Expat.ru community contains a lot of teachers and students, we've decided to try and create a bit more stuctured approach to the discussions. This change has been made after consulting with some long-time members.

I think the sub-forums are quite self-explanatory, but if you have any questions where to post what, just drop them here!

Please NOTE that this is NOT the place for classifieds (we have the Marketplace for that), but rather a platform for discussion.

note from TD: If we (the Mod staff) should overlook postings here of a commercial nature, please report them using the "Report Post" tool.

alterego
31-01-2010, 22:09
I had thought that the Teacher's Discussion forum was self-explanatory. Although one teacher in particular didn't seem to understand it and would start chats with students there. If the mods had policed it like they do other forums, moving out threads that were not appropriate, it would not have been a long list of topics.
If the new structure is not policed any better then it will be an even worse mess. Now there will be more forums to dig through to find what you're looking for.

Bels
31-01-2010, 22:22
I had thought that the Teacher's Discussion forum was self-explanatory. Although one teacher in particular didn't seem to understand it and would start chats with students there. If the mods had policed it like they do other forums, moving out threads that were not appropriate, it would not have been a long list of topics.
If the new structure is not policed then it will be an even worse mess. Now there will be more forums to dig through to find what you're looking for.

I don't think you understand. Do you know the history of how the teachers' folder was formed. It was formed by a certain fedup administrater, tired with comments and arguments by certain teachers in the wrong threads.

So he he made a rule. and rightly so. That if you have any bickering or moans go to a teachers' and do what you like, but don't interfere with the threads of those seeking teachers or those seeking students. Leave them alone .

The teachers' folder was a dump for a while , with no discussions, but I tried to make it something and I did. And yes it should be chats with students, and also chats between teacher and teacher. Itis the likes of your previous arguments that we have discussed how to improve it in the background. Now I feel it is not yet perfect, but it is certainly a step forward in the effort in trying to improve this section to be the best for those teachers and students interested in Russia.

Yes open for debate and improvement here is most welcome.

ezik
31-01-2010, 22:25
I had thought that the Teacher's Discussion forum was self-explanatory. Although one teacher in particular didn't seem to understand it and would start chats with students there. If the mods had policed it like they do other forums, moving out threads that were not appropriate, it would not have been a long list of topics.
If the new structure is not policed then it will be an even worse mess. Now there will be more forums to dig through to find what you're looking for.

Good point. But with such a general definition of the previous Teacher's Discussion forum, it was very hard to "police" (your term, not mine). I don't think it was self-explanatory at all. Neither did some members that in fact are teachers or students.

If a teacher wants to chat to students, there is a proper place for it now. If someone wants to discuss serious stuff, there's a proper place for it now. Easier to "police".

More than any other forum on Expat.ru, I expect that the members of this forum (serious teachers and students) work on making it a forum that is independent and self-regulatory. And if there are certain expectations on how the site staff should "police" (your term, not mine) this forum, you can make them clear at any time. :)

You can also decide amonst yourselves (teachers and students) who would be a good moderator for this section... If not one of the current moderators, you can even nominate one...

Bels
31-01-2010, 22:25
I had thought that the Teacher's Discussion forum was self-explanatory. Although one teacher in particular didn't seem to understand it and would start chats with students there. If the mods had policed it like they do other forums, moving out threads that were not appropriate, it would not have been a long list of topics.
If the new structure is not policed any better then it will be an even worse mess. Now there will be more forums to dig through to find what you're looking for.

The point is that we don't want to be policed by mods or admin who don't know about teaching. However if you must know a certain mod has done a fantastic job here moderating here. He did a brilliant and I hope he continues with this job. Believe me! It has been moderated, with my welcome.

alterego
31-01-2010, 22:39
There was a section for English lesson and admin failed to ever move a thread there. It was pointed out to Bels that it was a teacher's forum and he ignored it. So admin didn't moderate (sorry to those who only see a harsh definition for 'police') it and Bels showed that self moderation didn't work. So where is the improvement? Certainly not in the 'self-explanatory' titles. When I first saw 'School Yard' I had the impression that it for arguments/fights.

ezik
31-01-2010, 22:50
When I first saw 'School Yard' I had the impression that it for arguments/fights.

I always liked the School Yard. Got my first kiss there!

As for moving threads: there are clear instructions on the site on what to post where. There is always a possibility to report a post or otherwise notify the site staff.

If you have problems with the titles and descriptions, please feel free to suggest alternatives.

This is a community more than anything else, so if you criticize, you might as well think about what you can do (could have done) to improve things...

Bels
31-01-2010, 23:07
Very good point. The action for improvement is always welcome. But we can make mistakes. It is up to us as group to get together and brainwash our ideas on how to make this site the best for teachers in one section and a section good for our students in another. Now let us start getting together discussing and achieve this. After all it is what we all want, isn't it?


I always liked the School Yard. Got my first kiss there!

As for moving threads: there are clear instructions on the site on what to post where. There is always a possibility to report a post or otherwise notify the site staff.

If you have problems with the titles and descriptions, please feel free to suggest alternatives.

This is a community more than anything else, so if you criticize, you might as well think about what you can do (could have done) to improve things...

alterego
31-01-2010, 23:11
I always liked the School Yard. Got my first kiss there!

As for moving threads: there are clear instructions on the site on what to post where. There is always a possibility to report a post or otherwise notify the site staff.

If you have problems with the titles and descriptions, please feel free to suggest alternatives.

This is a community more than anything else, so if you criticize, you might as well think about what you can do (could have done) to improve things...

In addition to pointing out to Bels that it was a teacher's forum, I invited him to attend meetings that some teachers were having about twice a month, (he wasn't interested), and I invited him to join the private folder for the teachers. He wasn't interested in that either, he wanted to organize his own folder.

That being the past, now I would suggest creating folders with better self explanatory titles. One for teacher to teacher(possibly a private folder but the problem is letting teachers know it exists), another for student questions to teachers, and one for student to student.

I find the titles, 'classroom' and 'school yard' to be vague and ambiguous.

Bels
31-01-2010, 23:22
Then we need to discuss. My reason for not having visits with teachers is obvious to a few here who know me here. I am in the Western region of Moscow. I can rarely get to Moscow central. I am about 40 km west of Moscow along the Rublienskie Shosse. I am also extremely busy teaching in the Winter time as from September. But what I do want to encourage is debate. and brainstorm as a group on how to make it better for us all.

Just be patient Alterago. My thoughts came from your posts and others. We are all trying to make things better. I have heard you many times and have taken it seriously. It will happen. You are astrong reason of why we are chnging and making moves. And there is more to come. Just be patient.


In addition to pointing out to Bels that it was a teacher's forum, I invited him to attend meetings that some teachers were having about twice a month, (he wasn't interested), and I invited him to join the private folder for the teachers. He was interested in that either, he wanted to organize his own folder.

That being the past, now I would suggest creating folders with better self explanatory titles. One for teacher to teacher(possibly a private folder but the problem is letting teachers know it exists), another for student questions to teachers, and one for student to student.

I find the titles, 'classroom' and 'school yard' to be vague and ambiguous.

ezik
01-02-2010, 00:13
In my memory, school was about the school yard (socialising), the class room (learning and discussing theory and methods), and the lunch room (relaxing, I must say that on university, the cafe was used more for this purpose).

I know teaching is serious stuff, and although I'm not a teacher, I've been on the university board as the elected student representative board member for 3+ years. After that, I have been profesionally involved in both training developments as well as the practice of training and knowledge management. In all these functions, I was not a teacher, rather someone that was training teachers, which often was a hard job. :)

Language training, the main subject of the discussions in this folder, is something that, for a professional teacher, is an academice excercise. I've always admired language teachers in Moscow/Russia that manage to build up a network and a living by providing training with an own method.

For a student, language training is much more a matter of consumism. One wants the best teacher against the best price. And there is always a trade-off there. What defines the best teacher? Is it someone who's good at theory, grammar? Is it someone who is less concerned about theory but focuses on practical usage of a language? Teaching is, in other words, a market, consisting of a multitude of providers and a multitude of customers.

Although I will appreciate any suggestions (none given so far), I thought I'd keep it simple:
- Get to know each other in the School Yard (supply meets demand and vice versa)
- Learn, teach and discuss methods in the Class Room
- Informal sessions in the Lunch Room.

As I'm not a teacher, this could be the completely wrong approach to dividing this forum. In my experience (see above) this is a rather natural division.

If it's not, don't complain but suggest something better!

alterego
01-02-2010, 05:58
I would suggest 'The teacher's Lounge' for teachers to discuss methods, problems, pricing, etc.

From that would follow a 'Student's Lounge' for student conversations about whatever they like, complaining about a teacher or a school, or getting a recomendation, or telling what works/doesn't work for them.

And finally 'Study Hall' for questions from students with answers either by teachers or students, as well as presentations/questions from teachers for students. Or even presentations by students.

ezik
02-02-2010, 22:13
I would suggest 'The teacher's Lounge' for teachers to discuss methods, problems, pricing, etc.

From that would follow a 'Student's Lounge' for student conversations about whatever they like, complaining about a teacher or a school, or getting a recomendation, or telling what works/doesn't work for them.

And finally 'Study Hall' for questions from students with answers either by teachers or students, as well as presentations/questions from teachers for students. Or even presentations by students.

'Study Hall' is already there, but it is just called The Class Room.

The Lunch room actually was aimed at being what you mention under the both Lounges. But it's a fair enough comment, maybe good to split it and use the names you suggest (with your kind permission).

Exactly the type of constructive feedback I was hoping for. Thanks, alterego!