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the Patient
02-02-2005, 15:12
OK, so I seem to be going bald. This is not good. I am only 25, and I am also not going bald in a nice dignified receding hairline fashion, but forming a bit of a patch and it looks horrendous.

It's really going to mess me up psychologically.

I had a look at stuff on the internet - I take it that none of this stuff works? While I don't want to put hormones on my head for 8 hours a day or take stuff that will mean I sprout hair on my palms, this stuff advecia (http://www.askdocweb.com/advecia.html) looks mildly convincing, and is also all-natural.

Too good to be true? Any other tips?

HEEEEEEELP!!!!

Shatneresque
02-02-2005, 15:24
While no physician can guarantee the regeneration of your hair, Minoxydil (under its various brand names) has been proven effective for most men, most of the time; I know guys who swear by it.

The younger you start using it, the more effective it will be; 25 is probably the perfect age to start applying it. At least as important as regrowing your old hair is the good news that it keeps what you've got left from falling out as well.

To the best of my knowledge, it comes in just two versions: 2% and 5%. The first would proabably work in your case, but I would guess that 5% is always better.

It's also easy to apply with a spray attachment screwed onto the bottle; and no, hair won't grow on your palms.

Most important: Don't start using it and then stop! What hair you've regrown will fall out, probably forever.

metsapoika
02-02-2005, 15:49
You might think I'm being cruel, but, really. I'm not.

My advice would be to just start shaving your head. On many people it does not look too bad, and it's doubtful you'll be branded a skinhead unless you otherwise dress that way. In my mind, it's the only way to get bald gracefully. All these potions and cures are just going to cost you a fortune, with not very impressive results.

Unfortunately for me, I'm so ugly that when I shaved my head to the bone a couple of years ago, mothers would leap across the pavement to pull their children out of my way, and secretaries would regularly pee themselves if I so much as asked where the photocippier was :(

There is no shame in going bald. It happens to millions of people, and I say embrace it rather than fight mother nature. She generally wins these fights ;)

Just my two kopeks worth.

Cheers
MP

Claude Bottom
02-02-2005, 20:37
Minoxydil does nothing at all. Apart from reduce your testosterone levels to stop more of your hair falling out. :D There is absolutely nothing you can do to stop male pattern baldness - if there WAS, you'd never see anyone with a bald head. My advice, for what it's worth is - "get used to it" - and "get the razor out" :D

Claude Bottom
02-02-2005, 20:41
I think I'm a bit beyond medical help....... :D

Shatneresque
02-02-2005, 20:47
No, afraid I must disagree with you, old boy....

Minoxydil worked for me, it worked for my brother, and it especially worked for a friend of mine: when I saw him for the first time after he'd been using it for two years, I thought he'd had a hair transplant.

My only regret is that I didn't start using it sooner. I guess when you're over 40, nothing helps all that much.

Claude Bottom
02-02-2005, 21:09
Shatneresque, once you've lost the hair follicles, nothing but nothing will bring it back. Minoxydil seems to work for some people, but not others. I think the rate was about 30% - glad to see it's worked for you and your brother !! :D

I just thought "Oh, to hell with this", got the razor out and - don't miss having no hair any more. Don't even think about it 99.99% of the time.

Thank GOD I didn't decide to wear a wig - or worse still - comb over what hair I had ! :D

Pumpkin
02-02-2005, 21:16
Oh, but Shatneresque, bald men are so sexy......I've always thought so anyway, and I'm sure I'm not in the minority.

Shatneresque
02-02-2005, 21:31
Originally posted by Pumpkin
Oh, but Shatneresque, bald men are so sexy......I've always thought so anyway, and I'm sure I'm not in the minority.

Hmmmmmmm.... Is there a Jean-Luc Picard avatar anywhere...? :rolleyes:

Polia Ivanova
03-02-2005, 01:28
Originally posted by Pumpkin
Oh, but Shatneresque, bald men are so sexy......I've always thought so anyway, and I'm sure I'm not in the minority.

I agree. I think that men who feel embarrassed by their boldness (and Dave - it is dihydrotestosterone by the way, that does it) just show their weakness which is NEVER SEXY.

It is sexy. Bold men look intelligent. Bold men look sexy. A shaved head looks sexy too. I wouldn’t go for a pony tail but most other styles with not so long hair would do. And it is NATURAL.

Take changes that the nature does to you with dignity.

Claude Bottom
03-02-2005, 10:03
Thanks, Polia ! - yes, I don't miss not having any hair any more. Never did ! - the original poster here talks about psychological problems - all I can say is that if someone offered me my hair back, I *would* refuse - happy as I am. "Someone elses' problem". Baldness is very common, and no one is likely to not talk to you if you have a "wide centre parting".

sfjohns67
03-02-2005, 10:35
Another baldie chimes in...

Shave it. Don't waste your time, money, and most importantly your dignity on bullsh*t potions and lotions, they will not work. Polia hit the nail on the head...shave that noggin and people will figure you've got better things to do than worry about hairless vanity. That's confidence...swingin d*ck confidence. Chicks dig it. You'll decrease your work and date prep-time by at least 20 minutes. Chicks dig it. One swipe with the towel and you're tactical. Chicks dig it. Girls you don't even know will walk up to you in the clubs and run their hands gently across it. Strippers will...well, you should discover that one all for yourself.

We'll work on getting you some tattooes later.

PS: Polia honey, you always say the sweetest things!

aysihsK
03-02-2005, 10:40
oi Patient! you really just don't worry and shave it!

If you do it and feel confident with your looks trust me you will look good ;)


I for one just adore some boldies, like sfjohns67 for example :hooray: :inlove: so damn sexy! :nut: :p

metsapoika
03-02-2005, 10:41
I suppose this is as annoying as a skinny person saying 'oh, I can eat all the lard and pig fat I like, and I never get fat...'

But I seem to have the opposite hair problem, i.e it grows too thick and too fast. Of everything in the world (perhaps apart from getting my spine removed with a pencil) the thing I hat most in the world is going to get a haircut, and I have to do it at least every 3 weeks, or I start looking like something from fraggle rock. (I despise the polite chit-chat, the itchy nexk, the 30€ price tag for taking something *away*, the general inconvience of taking a couple of hours out of the day).

As I mentioned above, I used to shave my head, and it feels so fresh and natural. The trouble is, I look like an evil b**tard, so the better half forbids me to do it any more...

My point here is not to rub it in, but rather to say that 'the grass is always greener' and that shaving your head (especially if you are insecure about going bald) might be the best thing you ever do!

Personally, I'd love to go bald, so I have a real excuse to start shaving my head again. Odds are against it though. The old man is 65, and still has a full bushy mop :(

Cheers
MP

the Patient
03-02-2005, 11:20
I certainly agree that on some people shaving your head looks good... But it depends... I have very dark hair, a lot of it (except in patches) and a huge head - I had very short hair once when I was younger and it just looks ridiculous.

With this minoxydil, don't you have to keep it on your head for like 6 hours a day or something? isnt that a bit inconvenient?!

polly
03-02-2005, 11:34
dear mr patient.
i understand that hair loss is traumatic. but really do think about the shave option. my husband is 27, and he started balding probably when he was around 22 or so, maybe earlier. he's pretty much bald now. and he has (er... had) dark hair too. his head is also not a perfect shape, or whatever.
at least consider it. baldness is NOT the end of the world. you probably don't look even half as ridiculous as you think you do.

DPG
03-02-2005, 11:38
Try it while you still have hair left so that you can gauge how it looks...if you don't like it you can always wait for it to grow back and then start panicking and buying all those creams and maybe a syrup!

Victor555
03-02-2005, 11:45
As for me I`m proud of my baldness! Some russian girls like it as sight of man power.:D

Shatneresque
03-02-2005, 11:53
Originally posted by polly
dear mr patient...you probably don't look even half as ridiculous as you think you do.

Boy---now THAT inspires confidence!!! :respect:

polly
03-02-2005, 11:54
well gee i didn't mean it in a bad way. i think we always think the worst when we're insecure about something, freak out about it and then no one else even blinks an eye.

Polia Ivanova
03-02-2005, 11:57
Originally posted by Victor555
As for me I`m proud of my baldness! Some russian girls like it as sight of man power.:D

I think this thing called "maturity" not power. Very sexy indeed.

I try to recall all my sexual partners for the last lets say seven years on the subject of boldness. I think all of them were bold. Well, may be one wasn't , I don't remember exactly. The fact that I don't remember says that there are other things that matter.

How many women I wonder will not date a chap just because he is bold.

Shatneresque
03-02-2005, 12:03
Originally posted by the Patient
I certainly agree that on some people shaving your head looks good... But it depends... I have very dark hair, a lot of it (except in patches) and a huge head - I had very short hair once when I was younger and it just looks ridiculous.

With this minoxydil, don't you have to keep it on your head for like 6 hours a day or something? isnt that a bit inconvenient?!

I agree with you, bonnie lad---some men look great shaven, others look evil or retarded. You should go with what's comfortable for you.

Minoxydil needs to be applied just once a day; I always do it after showering in the morning. All you need is one ounce (four measured squirts of the applicator). Applying more or using it more often apparently makes no difference, in terms of results.

The one thing I would never do (unless it was a BFOQ) is wear a toupee. Wigs never look natural, and for a man to wear one is indeed a sign of vanity!

(Hair transplants, by the way, almost always do not look natural either, especially when used to mask a receding hairline.)

crom
03-02-2005, 12:31
Patient,
have you consulted a doctor yet?
Hair falling out in patches may be indicative of allopecia, this can sometimes be a problem of diet and or stress. May be it can be arrested

the Patient
03-02-2005, 15:23
No, it's not falling out 'in patches', it's 'a patch' at the back.

So this mynoxidil...

You apply it in the morning, it dries, and your hair looks normal? or it looks revolting and sticky? or what?

And you basically have to keeeeeeeep using it? how much does it cost per month?

Shatneresque
03-02-2005, 15:42
It's alcohol-based, so it should dry leaving your hair looking natural.

You can get the 2% solution here with a doctor's prescription (they can write you one in the pharmacy at the A******* M****** C*****).

Yes, you have to keep using it. A month's supply is (I think) 1000--2000 rubles, depending on where you buy it---some pharmacies are more expensive than others.

If you can get it from abroad, the 5% solution is better. Wal-Mart in the States often has it on sale for around $20 for a month's supply (I need to check on the price).

If the first two or three bottles don't help you, there's no point in continuing with it. So you should see results within six weeks or so.

metsapoika
03-02-2005, 15:43
Probably an arm and a leg compared to the price of a good set of hair clippers ;)

OK. I'll let it lie now.


bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Claude Bottom
03-02-2005, 21:15
Dunno about "sexy" - I just feel "comfortable". I don't look too good with a shaved head (and that's me saying it ! :D) - a very close crop suits me a lot better. Once every three weeks, out come the clippers - very short hair looks WRONG if it's not perfect - the only fly in the ointment.

Amazing what you learn not to miss. Feel sorry for Patient, I really do - there's an initial panic that you're going to look ludicrous - and - as SFJ put it - get the clippers out, shave the lot off, and stick two fingers up at the universe. :D Their problem, not yours. :D

lucytupper
03-02-2005, 21:47
Originally posted by Claude Bottom
Dunno about "sexy" - I just feel "comfortable". I don't look too good with a shaved head (and that's me saying it ! :D) - a very close crop suits me a lot better. Once every three weeks, out come the clippers - very short hair looks WRONG if it's not perfect - the only fly in the ointment.

Amazing what you learn not to miss. Feel sorry for Patient, I really do - there's an initial panic that you're going to look ludicrous - and - as SFJ put it - get the clippers out, shave the lot off, and stick two fingers up at the universe. :D Their problem, not yours. :D


............says he,wearing a hat to cover his bald head!

Claude Bottom
04-02-2005, 00:43
Ah yes. Thanks for reminding me, Lucy - one bad point about going bald is that yer bonce WILL burn if you expose it to the sun too much..... which is why I occasionally end up in a hat. It *does* come right off. Modern technology, eh ? :D

zcyka
04-02-2005, 06:01
Oh, about 15 or more years ago, I started coming what little hair I had on top of my head straight back. Too lazy to shave it off and too cheap to spend money on a depilatory... besides, I kinda like the look. :cool:

Still, patient, old lad, it's your head and your cash.... :p

koba65
04-02-2005, 06:25
Originally posted by DPG
Try it while you still have hair left so that you can gauge how it looks...if you don't like it you can always wait for it to grow back and then start panicking and buying all those creams and maybe a syrup!

Bad advice!! I had my head shaved several times in my "youth" (military) and each time my hair grew back the hairline receeded. Others: hair barely grew back - leaving bald spots, thinning hair on top, etc. Best to not shave unless prepared to live with the bald look.

Some can pull off the bald look, others can't. Depends on the size/shape of the noggin' - but nothing looks worse than the endless combaround (SFJ - ring a bell???) or a bad toupe.

And there was a guy Johnny Reb and I worked with ages ago who had hair from his a** and back transplanted to his melon....

DPG
04-02-2005, 11:57
buying all those creams and maybe a syrup!

Isn't there a SINGLE Brit who caught the pun in the quote above??:mad:

sparky
04-02-2005, 12:07
yeah, got it the first time syrup of figs ;) with cream:)

lucytupper
04-02-2005, 22:41
So far all the advice has been for you to shave your head or wear your hair very short.

I say do the opposite and wear your hair in the style of the GREATEST FOOTBALLER TO EVER PLAY THE GAME!

He was and still is known all over the world not only for his footballing skills, but also for his unique hairstyle!

Today's footballing brats are not fit to lace his boots. They would give all their rolex watches, designer suits, fancy houses and flash cars to be mentioned in the same breath as him!

When I was a kid I went to Germany on an International Work Camp. I met an Italian kid. He could'nt speak a word of English. When he knew that I was from England he came up to me and uttered this mans immortal name.

So, mate, whoever you are. I say grow your hair like this man and maybe you could become a legend!

Claude Bottom
05-02-2005, 02:09
LOL - love it, Lucy ! Wet myself laughing at that one :D

I don't even have the material for a comb over..... football was never my thing, but Charlton was God..... :D

Shatneresque
05-02-2005, 16:18
Interesting piece on baldness in this week's "Discovery" on the BBC World Service.

If your computer has the correct software, you can access the program from the archives at news.bbc.co.uk (http://).

Shatneresque
18-02-2005, 16:45
Good news---5% Regaine is now available in Moscow!

lucytupper
22-02-2005, 10:37
Originally posted by Claude Bottom
I think I'm a bit beyond medical help....... :D

.........so I will use an avatar of me when I had hair, because despite what I say, I don't like being bald. I would prefer to have a nice head of hair!

Bishop
25-02-2005, 17:14
You can try something called propecia - its a tablet which is supposed to stop baldness and quite common in the US.

Claude Bottom
25-02-2005, 21:30
Originally posted by lucytupper
.........so I will use an avatar of me when I had hair, because despite what I say, I don't like being bald. I would prefer to have a nice head of hair!

LOL !!

Mr Bottom is currently sporting a haircut so short that you could strike matches on it. And he doesn't even notice.... Lucy, I went bald at 26, and had plenty of time to get used to it. Surprisingly, you don't miss having no hair after it disappeared 13 years ago... in the grand scheme of things, it is a very minor inconvenience.

Viagra Girl
27-02-2005, 13:44
Hi Patient,
There are a lot of different treatments to solve your problem, but you should know the origine of loosing hair. The best thisng to do is to see a doctor and NEVER buy medicine from the Internet!
For today the best things are (without hormons)
1. Minoxidil - Regane for ex. It works. I know this because I am with the company that worked out this medicine and made thousands of clinical research.
2. Rene Furterer brand. You can try 36 i 6 or any other big cosmetic store, better with consultant.
Anyway you need complex treatment like combination of aforementioned things plus vitamins.
Good luck!