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yankee@moscow
27-01-2005, 07:58
It's not bad enough that they tax their own people to no end, now they want to levy international taxes on the whole world! A good place to insert this would be back up Chirac's behind, where it came from. This kind of crap always starts with great intentions and then just goes out of control! It needs stopped before it even gets started:

Chirac Seeks International Tax to Fight AIDS

Wed Jan 26,11:45 AM ET Health - Reuters



DAVOS, Switzerland (Reuters) - French President Jacques Chirac outlined bold proposals on Wednesday for an international tax to help fight AIDS (news - web sites), saying such a measure could raise $10 billion each year.

"I propose today moving forward through the creation, in an experimental way, of a levy to finance the fight against AIDS," Chirac told the World Economic Forum (news - web sites) in Davos in a speech delivered by video link-up.


Chirac said the levy could be imposed on international financial transactions without hampering markets, but it could also be raised by taxing fuel for air and sea transport, or levying $1 on every airline ticket sold in the world.


"It would allow us to mobilize $10 billion a year," he said.


The French leader's radical proposals upstaged British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites), who was due to address the forum's opening session later on his plan for reducing global poverty, although Chirac was careful to endorse the British plan.


His ideas are likely to meet strong opposition from the United States and most other rich nations, as well as financial markets and airlines, but will be popular with anti-globalization campaigners and AIDS awareness groups.


Chirac insisted the proposed tax on financial transactions was not a new version of the tax first proposed by Canadian economist James Tobin to combat speculative capital movements.


"The international solidarity levy would be designed so as not to be an obstacle to normal market operation. It would be based on three main requirements:


-- a very low rate, of a maximum of one ten-thousandth


-- applied to a fraction of international financial transactions, which represent some $3 trillion per day


-- the levy would be based on cooperation between the major world financial markets, so as to avoid the effects of evasion."


As an alternative, he said states that maintain bank secrecy could be asked to partially compensate for the consequences of world tax evasion through a levy on flows of foreign capital in and out of their country.


Chirac's options for taxing kerosene or airline tickets seem bound to face hostility from the aviation industry, already facing tough business conditions due to high oil prices and tightened security measures since the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.

J.D.
27-01-2005, 08:16
I would agree that international problems should recieve international support but you're right, the money would be abused and wasted. Not to mention that after AIDS has been wiped off the face of the earth we will find that "the system" is addicted to the money and the tax will go on.

kniga
27-01-2005, 08:38
Yankee,

French socialists, like socialist everywhere, are always willing to take other peoples' money an use it for "good" causes without those getting charged for their social engineering being allowed to vote on the confiscation of their money. The French flirted with Nazism during World War II and have since flirted with Communism in the guise of Socialism. Until the endless strikes called by the duped commoner in France to protect the 35-hour working week and other government sponsored goodies received from the Chirac government seriously damages the French economy, Chirac and the other dreamers in his government will continue to dream up new scams like this one to get their hands into the pockets of other nations to fund the socialist system that has proven to be a bust all over the world, not the least notable example being Russia's present problem with its pensioners.

Cocheese
27-01-2005, 08:44
Originally posted by kniga
... the socialist system that has proven to be a bust all over the world, not the least notable example being Russia's present problem with its pensioners.

Agree with part of what you said before this, but not this part. If you go to Scandinavian countries and talk to people there (I have), you'll see that socialist government programs are alive and well. These countries also are near the top in standard of living indicies. It works for them.

kniga
27-01-2005, 08:53
Right, socialism has worked all over the world, but for how long? Eventually, the freebies for society outweigh the government's ability to collect enough revenues to pay for them. In Germany, for instance, welfare benefits for jobless citizens adds up to something like 85% of their formerly earned income. What kind of an incentive is this for the German worker to seek a job and go back to work? In the Scandanavian countries, the native population no longer is willing to do scut work, so they have invited in guest workers to take the menial jobs. Ask your Swedish friends what kind of impact the rapidly growing Turkish community is having on these happy socialist beneficiaries.

Cocheese
27-01-2005, 09:02
Yes, you're right about that. Not to turn this into a "Socialism in Scandinavia" thread, but a response to you. I lived there so I saw it first-hand. In the late 80s and 90s, they took in too many refugees and didn't plan properly what these people would do, so now they have many who don't work and live off welfare. This has strained and reduced a lot of the benefits. Maybe with better planning and lower quotas it would have worked better?

kniga
27-01-2005, 09:19
Socialism doesn't lead to better planning, it leads to a dead end for its practitioners fueled by the fact that the temporary beneficiaries never want to give up the "free" benefits they receive. It takes something cataclysmic like the collapse of the Soviet Union for a country to face up to a failed system of socialism, and then the price paid is dear and long.

chirac
27-01-2005, 10:15
http://www.maryland-us.com/military/Chirac_Hitler_Saddam_Paris.jpg

chirac
27-01-2005, 10:20
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Shaun
27-01-2005, 10:20
Originally posted by J.D.
Not to mention that after AIDS has been wiped off the face of the earth we will find that "the system" is addicted to the money and the tax will go on.

yeah, cos that's going to happen soon...

chirac
27-01-2005, 10:22
Originally posted by chirac
http://www.maryland-us.com/military/Chirac_Hitler_Saddam_Paris.jpg

kak
27-01-2005, 11:26
one should be more carefull using the term "nazi" and associate it with French.
I do not like chirac but i do not like this kind of comment and association as well
no need to make his idea sounds like criminal :

We are only talking about an international tax for AIDS.

yankee, you should think before starting such a thread with such words same for kniga, do i have to remember who is actually your president and what he has done? especially for peace in this world?

think twice before saying something stupid.

kak
27-01-2005, 11:28
As a reminder: result of nazism:

kniga
27-01-2005, 12:06
Kak,

I wondered when you would appear here, and I certainly don't blame you for defending your country. It is not France I am attacking, but socialism. As to Nazism in France, you can no more escape the history of Vichy France during WWII than I can escape the stupidity of President Bush attacking Iraq.

kak
27-01-2005, 12:20
kniga, i understand your words, i cannot escape to "Vichy" and believe me as a french i'm asahmed about this part of our history! but i guess yankee could have use some other words to comment chirac's idea and i guess you could have talked about something else than our past...etc. etc.
As i said it, i do not see any reason about using such a reference, as i do not see any reason to start talking once again about how bad was france or not in the past just because chirac (which is not socialist, and which i do not like at all) came with an idea as stupid as it can be or not about How the international community could help to fight against AIDS.
As far as i know i'm not coming saying to you..."heee do you remember how bad is America history, do you remember that you were the only country to use an atomic bomb on people?...etc. etc. each time we are talking about your president ?
Hope your get my point.

kniga
27-01-2005, 12:26
Kak,

Yes, I get your point. The fact is, all countries have episodes in their histories that are shameful, disgraceful and sometimes monstrously evil. The only purpose in reviewing such periods of history is to remind ourselves not to let them happen again, although I fear neither you nor I will have any influence with either Monsieur Chirac or Mr. Bush.

kak
27-01-2005, 12:28
which is a pitty ;)

Shaun
27-01-2005, 12:31
Originally posted by kak
one should be more carefull using the term "nazi" and associate it with French.
I do not like chirac but i do not like this kind of comment and association as well
no need to make his idea sounds like criminal :

We are only talking about an international tax for AIDS.

yankee, you should think before starting such a thread with such words same for kniga, do i have to remember who is actually your president and what he has done? especially for peace in this world?

think twice before saying something stupid.


hear hear.

chirac talks of a global levy to fight aids. i think it's a good idea. some of you dont. either way, what's it go to do with all this nonsense?? Since when was chirac either a socialist or a nazi???

yankee@moscow
27-01-2005, 13:35
Name the time and place and you can tell me to my face how stupid the things that I say are. If you had any F'n idea where the term tax Nazi came from, you'd be a little less apt to act like you're the freak'n Nazi edicate king.

Do us all a favor and go watch a few Sienfeld episodes, and you'll get the picture. The term tax Nazi has nothing to do with Hitler. The term Nazi has become an American slang term for people that try to dictate or control things, hence "tax Nazi" for someone that tries to control taxes.

Maybe you should change your logon to the "Stupid Things Said Nazi"?

sparky
27-01-2005, 13:43
Yankee, thatís as maybe. But on this side of the pond it still carries the Hitler, WWII connotation.

Anyway since when has Sienfeld been the definitive source on word origin?

yankee@moscow
27-01-2005, 13:45
Originally posted by ElectricDave
Yankee, thatís as maybe. But on this side of the pond it still carries the Hitler, WWII connotation.

Anyway since when has Sienfeld been the definitive source on word origin?

I think it was official in 1994, but I'm not sure on that.

sparky
27-01-2005, 13:48
LOL:D

Shaun
27-01-2005, 13:52
Originally posted by yankee@moscow


Do us all a favor and go watch a few Sienfeld episodes, and you'll get the picture. The term tax Nazi has nothing to do with Hitler.



well i for one was referring at least as much to the guy who is posting pictures of chirac and hitler... pictures of hitler, i assume, do have something to do with hitler?

this is a pretty funny attack though - 'you ******* ignorant moron, how dare you presume to think i meant the internationally accepted use of the term nazi. anyone with a brain would know that actually i was referring to a dated american sitcom. idiot.'

kak
27-01-2005, 13:58
Kniga understood my point you did not.
yankee, read again electricdave's comment or maybe you should try to read a newspaper from time to time!
Any idea about something which happened 60 years ago?
and your coming with your "nazi" funny stuff...:( Guess what i'm sure you'll be able to find out yourself that what you wrote was stupid...
btw seinfeld sucks plain.

koba65
27-01-2005, 14:24
Originally posted by kak
btw seinfeld sucks plain.

Now you've done it! Coming from a native of a country where Jerry Lewis is worshiped - your opinion on Seinfeld carries no water!!! ;)

DJ Biscuit
27-01-2005, 14:37
Lol, doesn't stop Jerry Lewis being an American though.

yankee@moscow
27-01-2005, 15:10
I understand your point completely. There is a whole article in the news on Chirac trying to start an International tax system. I point out the obvious. Then you attack my use of the word Nazi, somehow drag Bush into the situation (why pass up an opportunity to drag Bush into something that he has nothing to do with), and criticize just about everybody else on the thread. The point is that you're upset, you're taking things out of context and you have hijacked the thread and are turning the thread around to take attention away from what's it's all about.

Let's just pretend that it said "Tax Dictator from the netherworld" or maybe "The Tax Campaigner Overlord". Is that better than tax Nazi?

koba65
27-01-2005, 15:12
Originally posted by DJ Biscuit
Lol, doesn't stop Jerry Lewis being an American though.

He's our very own WMD...

Cocheese
27-01-2005, 15:37
ha ha...

No soup for you!

Shaun
27-01-2005, 16:09
honestly, though, i sometimes wonder if it's only me who thinks seinfeld is a load of rubbish.

you guys ought to try out 'the office'. now that is comedy.

sparky
27-01-2005, 16:12
second that

yankee@moscow
27-01-2005, 16:27
Here he is..........

http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/b/p/bpd132/Pictures/web/soup%20nazi.jpg

CaveMan
27-01-2005, 19:21
Originally posted by Shaun
honestly, though, i sometimes wonder if it's only me who thinks seinfeld is a load of rubbish.

you guys ought to try out 'the office'. now that is comedy.

I agree with regarads to Seinfeld...waste of time....