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DJ Biscuit
13-01-2005, 17:25
So prince Harry future King of Great Britain etc likes dressing up as a Nazi, now why doesn't that surprise me?

Ned Kelly
13-01-2005, 17:29
didn't you know afrikacorp uniforms are all the rage now?

Halyavshik
13-01-2005, 17:33
I thought William was future King and Harry was second in line. Isn't it okay for a prince to wear a swastika if he's NOT gonna be king ?

preacher of hedonism
13-01-2005, 17:35
you read the Sun too much man. it's telling on your abilities to make judgements

DJ Biscuit
13-01-2005, 17:36
Doesn't this plank have advisors and secretaries to help on such matters?

''Your Highness, know what? I wouldn't go with the Nazi thing, a bit complicated this but there was a war your family stayed through the blitz a lot of people died, Nazis were badies, not good and all that. Why don't you dress up as a p***k?'',

DJ Biscuit
13-01-2005, 17:37
Originally posted by preacher of hedonism
you read the Sun too much man. it's telling on your abilities to make judgements

I don't read the Sun actually. I read this story elsewhere and this was the only picture I found in my hurry.

Your jumping to conclusions is affecting your 'judgement'.

Kshisya
13-01-2005, 18:27
ah any other person could choose this outfit for a constume party so why wouldn't prince :p

DJ you better go to Hate you thread and see how f-d up my day way :mad: thanks! :p

DJ Biscuit
13-01-2005, 18:46
I disagree, I think the majority of people would think twice before choosing such a costume.

Kshisya
13-01-2005, 18:58
DJ!!!! i was kidding :D actually i think it was really more than stupid especially for a member of the royal family ;)

koba65
13-01-2005, 21:51
Ok, yes, well he is an idiot for wearing the stupid thing, but isn't kind of "amazing" that some place is renting/selling Nazi uniforms? How big is the market?

kniga
13-01-2005, 23:22
Harry ist ein Dummkopf!

Shaun
14-01-2005, 10:41
well, there's no denying that harry is an unpleasant little tosser, but i think the response over this has been pretty harsh.

there's quite a good comment in todays guardian by the guy who gatecrashed william's party dressed as bin laden, the best point being the one about the tsunami hysteria - now that really is sickening, perhaps not too noticable from moscow, but having just come back from the uk, i can assure you it is...



Bad taste, bad timing, bad prince ... these are the rotten epithets being hurled at a 20-year-old in tabloid stocks. I can guarantee that had anyone other than Prince Harry worn a Nazi uniform to a fancy dress party, no one would have blinked an eye. If one of the Young British Artists had superimposed the McDonald's golden arches over a photo of the entrance to Auschwitz and substituted for Arbeit Macht Frei the words Arbeit Macht Fries, we would be commenting on how satirical and clever it was in a post-post-modern, post-9/11 global multinational world and then Charles Saatchi, a good Jewish art dealer, would have sold it for a cool million. If there were an indie girl band called the Desert Foxes, who dressed up in the uniform of Rommel's Afrika Korps and released a punk version of Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles, we would laugh and say: "Good marketing ploy." If a middle-class 20-year-old from the suburbs went to a birthday party dressed the same way, we would say, "He is so obviously trying to be outré and piss his parents off, it's laughable." But when Prince Harry does it, we're ready to put him on trial at Nuremberg. His legacy is that everybody is now going to go to fancy-dress parties dressed up in Afrika Korps uniform, trying to be Prince Harry.
"He's 20, he should know better," I have heard people say. Wrong! Your 20s are the time to do stupid things and get them out of your system, otherwise you keep everything inside of yourself and end up being arrested for gatecrashing a royal party dressed as the world's most wanted terrorist in your mid-30s.

People are concerned about the timing of Harry's faux pas, in the run-up to Holocaust memorial day. There are two possible explanations for this: one, Harry was unaware that the liberation of Auschwitz was commemorated on January 27. Two, that he did know that January 27 was the Holocaust memorial day and this made him want to dress up as a Nazi officer even more. There is nothing greater than the lure of forbidden fruit; it has been man's downfall since the beginning of time.

But whatever the truth, it's not important, because this was a private party. There are many "normal" people who don't have cameras trained on them 24 hours a day who partake in shocking, immoral and illegal activities behind drawn curtains andd are not hauled over the coals for it, perhaps partly because society is to blame, or because it's a free country, or because they're only having a laugh, but mainly because it won't sell papers. If you can find a royal doing something, you've got a guaranteed circulation boost for that day. Why are you reading this article, if not to find out what the bette noire of royal parties thinks of the royal bete noir of parties?

I suspect that Harry is conscious of his profile and, precisely for that reason, decided to wear the costume no matter what. Would any of you be told how to live your life by interfering, outside observers? The rebellion of the individual against society is quintessential to democracy. If a person is constantly judged by society before he has taken any reckless actions, and is criticised for actions that he takes that he sees normal folk get away with all the time, eventually he will blow a gasket and say, "All right, they want me to be the bad guy, I'm going to really show them how bad I can be."

And so Harry donned a swastika, perhaps the most offensive symbol one can imagine. Of course it's offensive! He wanted to offend, he wanted to shock. He probably thought the paparazzi would be there.

The swastika produces a Pavlovian reaction in us like nothing else. We are quite happy to eat at restaurants called the New Cultural Revolution, regardless of the fact that the cultural revolution in China imprisoned and killed millions of people. It is cool to wear the hammer and sickle on your chest, never mind that Stalin sent countless numbers to the gulags to die. But the swastika is a no-no.

And accusations of "bad taste" also strike me as curious. Bad taste is this country's religion. It is as English as brown windsor soup. It is the one sport we still lead the world in. I doubt there are many who, within hours of 9/11, did not receive a sick text message that they sniggered at before feeling guilty about whether they should be allowed to snigger or not. I remember hearing jokes about Kenneth Bigley during his kidnap that seemed OK in private, but demanded condemnation in public.

And these are the points. Harry was at a private party, however, he is a public figure so he must have known it would get into the papers but he wasn't going to change his life because he was being watched. He's far from alone in his behaviour - "It's a hazard of the job," a papparazzo friend of mine said of being punched by celebrities. I find much more sickening the sight of celebrities desperate to get on TV associated with the Asian tsunami, looking self-righteous and declaring how much they've given in aid, than the prospect of a 20-year-old trying to shock people at a fancy-dress party by wearing a Nazi uniform.

If you have never given the finger to society in an outrageous act, you are a poorer person. You have nothing to reflect on in later years, you have nothing to question yourself about, and, more importantly, you have not yet got it out of your system. And at 20, you want to be the most controversial around. Why can't we accept that of Harry? Everyone wants this boy to be treated like everyone else, without privilege, but they're not prepared to treat him like everyone else. He is just another 20-year-old - laugh at his efforts to shock.

I am more worried about the people his age who don't make mistakes. In Harry , we have a 20-year-old behaving irresponsibly. You want a "normal" royal? You got one. Thank God and save the Queen.

And Harry, if you're reading this, and if on your 21st birthday party you see in the corner some guy dressed up as Adolf Hitler, don't worry. It's only me.

Random
14-01-2005, 11:02
Darling: Four verses! Four verses! I meant four verses! Look, I'm as British
as Queen Victoria.

Edmund: So your father's German, you're half German, and you married a German?



:D

Robert
14-01-2005, 11:24
the best line in that ""He's 20, he should know better," I have heard people say. Wrong! Your 20s are the time to do stupid things and get them out of your system, otherwise you keep everything inside of yourself and end up being arrested for gatecrashing a royal party dressed as the world's most wanted terrorist in your mid-30s.
and what is wrong with doing this lol!

Kshisya
14-01-2005, 11:36
impressed with the lenth of Shaun's response :D

however ppl, I think that his point is more objective than any other from this thread...nu you just THINK :)

It pretty much goes alone well with my comment re costume party. If somone chooses a Nazi or Bin Laden constume for Halloween nobody would actually rave about it. It would be a stupid AND poor taste choice that could make other ppl feel embarrased for the one who put something like that on however that would be it and nobody would care much.

I just think that it is more about somebody's brain. Harry obviously is just not the most intellegent and smart person and this is the only fact in all this story. If he deliberately wanted to shock his friends or family or public I believe there were some more ellegant and smart ways to do that.

jheisel
14-01-2005, 11:36
Well said, Shaun.

Apparently, Harry will be going to Auschwitz now for some sensitivity training or something. http://reuters.myway.com/article/20050114/2005-01-14T040535Z_01_L14640172_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-BRITAIN-ROYALS-DC.html

lochnessmonster
14-01-2005, 11:55
Originally posted by koba65
Ok, yes, well he is an idiot for wearing the stupid thing, but isn't kind of "amazing" that some place is renting/selling Nazi uniforms? How big is the market?

Ah, not as big as the market for 'naughty nurses' and 'bad schoolgirls', it seems. Welcome to modern England!

i wouldn't be surprised to see Harrry pulling a few more of these kinds of stunts - not just for the publicity, which he seems to crave, but because he is a bit of a ****!