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drwho
11-10-2009, 17:11
Hi all

I just wanted to ask you all the following.

Is it possible to teach here without a WP and if so where and how???!! 10 years ago when I came here it was easy and although I was paid peanuts and in dollars; it could be done, what's it like now??

Are there many schools who hire experienced teachers (6 years) to teach "under the radar" and without a contract. I heard that there is the grey black ecomy, or whatever colour you call it of illegal teachers.

Getting a WP here is now almost impossible, unless you jump through hoops of fire and can wait bloody ages. Is it possible to teach for hard cash? if so how much PH???

Any tips and opinions would welcome and appreciated.

Bels
11-10-2009, 17:17
There might be schools or agents who will hire you to work for you and it would be illegal, and it was in the past. However it is now more difficult for the EFL teacher, as he she can no longer work for more than 90 days. After that he or she needs to return to his country to renew his visa. Unless of course he got a proper work permit to extend his time with that employer.

Times have changed.I'm afraid to say.

drwho
11-10-2009, 17:26
There might be schools or agents who will hire you to work for you and it would be illegal, and it was in the past. However it is now more difficult for the EFL teacher, as he she can no longer work for more than 90 days. After that he or she needs to return to his country to renew his visa. Unless of course he got a proper work permit to extend his time with that employer.

Times have changed.I'm afraid to say.

Don't understand the reply. You can have a residency visa here and not a WP they are totally different types of visa. That's not the question.

Can people work here for cash??? Many do in the "grey economy", cash equals no tax and so should be popular with schools but of course if I ask anyone who is legal and who does pay tax I may get a different answer to the one I seek? No? Yes? :-)

Does anyone know where you can find such work and how to get students?? thats all I want to know. Thanks again.

Bels
11-10-2009, 17:31
Be patient and I hope you get your answers from other members. But you are asking them how to do things illegally and times have changed over the past few years. Perhaps someone will eventually pm you and give you the info you need. Hence I am help to keep your thread bumped up.

drwho
11-10-2009, 17:41
Be patient and I hope you get your answers from other members. But you are asking them how to do things illegally and times have changed over the past few years. Perhaps someone will eventually pm you and give you the info you need. Hence I am help to keep your thread bumped up.

I'm not asking anyone to do anything illegal but I know many people teach here without a WP and/or who don't pay tax. I just want to know if its possible to teach here for cash,, where? and how? but thank you for your help maybe someone will know.

I used to teach and had a business licence in another country, I paid tax but it was in the good old EU, many people wanted to pay me cash so they did not pay tax and many teachers wanted cash so they did not pay tax.

Cash is still king in many places but of course if its dangerous to do so here and one runs the risk of being sent to Siberia or kicked out then maybe its best not to do it??? I don't know? Is there anyone here on the forum who can give advice in of course a "hypothetical" speaking way!! :-) and I won't tell anyone! Thanks again. :SwoonLoveSmiley:

Bels
11-10-2009, 17:47
It is also and always illegal in the good old EU :) So keep quiete about it. It is also illegal here, yet people do it. All I'm saying that times have changed and due to new visa regulations it is no longer so easy for a foriegner seeking such income alone and living in Russia.

drwho
11-10-2009, 17:57
It is also and always illegal in the good old EU :) So keep quiete about it. It is also illegal here, yet people do it. All I'm saying that times have changed and due to new visa regulations it is no longer so easy for a foriegner seeking such income alone and living in Russia.

Thanks again and help appreciated... but can anyone help on this question ???!!!

xSnoofovich
12-10-2009, 10:57
sure u can teach for cash. just find a student who is willing to pay ! ;b

drwho
12-10-2009, 11:03
sure u can teach for cash. just find a student who is willing to pay ! ;b

You make it sound like I'm asking a lot. I am not, the usual rate is 1500 per 60 mins. Any Russian who has a job and who wants to learn English and/or improve will pay.... but in life I found people expect something for nothing!... well in reality that's not the case. :nut:

Ian G
12-10-2009, 12:16
There are 3 types of teaching that come to mind:

Private lessons to individuals,- this is pretty much all cash in hand, and very few such students, even lawyers and accountants, would expect to sign a contract if they are paying out of their own pocket.

Teaching odd hours for a shool or other company- there seem to be lots of companies who want teachers for "a couple of classes a week". They seem - and I am guessing here- to be looking for people who will teach without an official contract and without being on their official payroll. Basically they want to employ people casually without being bothered with getting a work permit or paying tax, and they are looking for people already in Moscow as it's easier that way. A lot of the ads on expat.ru I suspect fall into this category.

Working officially for a company- I assume all employers offering full and half-time positions are now doing things pretty much above board, though funnily enough their advertisements are often strangely silent as to such details as work permits, visas and tax.

So basically- the answer to your question depends on the person who'll be paying you. The alternative is to get yourself registered as an 'individual entrepreneur' and invoice your client yourself. As far as I know you can then forget about work permits.

drwho
12-10-2009, 13:43
There are 3 types of teaching that come to mind:

Private lessons to individuals,- this is pretty much all cash in hand, and very few such students, even lawyers and accountants, would expect to sign a contract if they are paying out of their own pocket.

Teaching odd hours for a shool or other company- there seem to be lots of companies who want teachers for "a couple of classes a week". They seem - and I am guessing here- to be looking for people who will teach without an official contract and without being on their official payroll. Basically they want to employ people casually without being bothered with getting a work permit or paying tax, and they are looking for people already in Moscow as it's easier that way. A lot of the ads on expat.ru I suspect fall into this category.

Working officially for a company- I assume all employers offering full and half-time positions are now doing things pretty much above board, though funnily enough their advertisements are often strangely silent as to such details as work permits, visas and tax.

So basically- the answer to your question depends on the person who'll be paying you. The alternative is to get yourself registered as an 'individual entrepreneur' and invoice your client yourself. As far as I know you can then forget about work permits.


Thanks Ian G. I'm sure there are people who want to pay cash but how and where you find them I dont know? Cash is still king whatever the country, even in a place like Russia that follows its own rules. :11109:

Ian G
12-10-2009, 13:55
The whole word-of-mouth economy- cleaning ladies, nannies, piano tuners, osteopaths, translators, IT specialists, plumbers, and yes... English teachers is cash in hand. Generally most people with this kind of skill, even if they have a regular employer, are happy to do extra jobs on the side. So I don't think you'll have problems finding people ready to pay cash-in-hand - it's accepted as the normal, hassle-free approach and is still a major sector of the economy. It's just companies can't get away with it as much as they used to.

Will
13-10-2009, 11:18
There are schools here who will provide you with a work permit and a very limited number of hours per week, leaving you free to work privately for the bulk of your time. I work on this basis now. Pm for details, I don't want to be advertising anyone.
Finding students is about contacts, one student leads to the next and it takes time of course, but making friends and sharing opportunities with a small group of fellow teachers has seen me right for a decade. In lieu of that there are a couple of companies that work as agencies and find students for you, then take a percentage off the top. They are well known enough, but again pm and I'll link you if you haven't come across them. The initial period is the difficult time of course, and a school who can cover your costs and then accept less hours from you later is a god send, unless of course you have some savings.
With a little wit the work is here in huge quantities and the crisis drives as many people into upgrading their skills as into cost cutting. It was the same in 98, I thought I would be in trouble, but the opposite proved to be the case.

Bels
13-10-2009, 11:37
You will find these schools and agencies soon enough when you start advertising :) It's a bit like searching for a flat NO AGENTS PLEASE! But they will call anyway :)

GaNozri
13-10-2009, 12:07
I dunno about teaching, but I am still building out my dacha. So, there is work for hard cash for you along with the three Tadjiks I have living there.

drwho
13-10-2009, 12:57
I dunno about teaching, but I am still building out my dacha. So, there is work for hard cash for you along with the three Tadjiks I have living there.

How much do you pay per hour for work on your Dacha??? I'm game if its a good price, I'm good with a shovel and fast with saw!!

GaNozri
13-10-2009, 13:07
1000rubles per day. 12 hour shift. And I make you work, boy! Free meals too.

Bels
13-10-2009, 13:15
Now that's what I call the modern day Mr Scrooge :) Perhaps you can pass them onto me as I have two plots of Land in the west. But no dachas yet.

GaNozri
13-10-2009, 13:17
Now that's what I call the modern day Mr Scrooge :) Perhaps you can pass them onto me as I have two plots of Land in the west. But no dachas yet.

Now, now! Mr. Scrooge would've charged for the meals. I could pass them on, but a good Tadjik is hard to find these days. But now that the Brits are starting to compete with them, it could change.

drwho
13-10-2009, 13:24
1000rubles per day. 12 hour shift. And I make you work, boy! Free meals too.

Thats too much please!! I'll work for you for 100 rubles a day and some bread and soup, OK deal??

GaNozri
13-10-2009, 13:26
Thats too much please!! I'll work for you for 100 rubles a day and some bread and soup, OK deal??

Rolton soup OK? I can't afford DoShirak.

Bels
13-10-2009, 20:35
I don't know about anybody else. But I no longer believe there is a recession for private teachers, in fact I am finding it better this year in demand than any of past five years I have been a priivate teacher. And that's doing it fultime. There appears to be a higher demand for learning English than it has ever been before. Especially with children and teenagers.

drwho
14-10-2009, 08:34
I don't know about anybody else. But I no longer believe there is a recession for private teachers, in fact I am finding it better this year in demand than any of past five years I have been a priivate teacher. And that's doing it fultime. There appears to be a higher demand for learning English than it has ever been before. Especially with children and teenagers.

Good news, perhaps people feel they need it to have a skill on their CV since English is required internationally nowadays, although anyone who is not English may say thats not true but still needs it!! :-) It must be easier than learning Russian or an Asian language? but to speak and write good English is very hard.