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Valentinovna
17-12-2004, 19:27
Why is Brut more expensive?

And what is done differently to make sweet and dry and brut etc?

Just a thought.

Shatneresque
17-12-2004, 19:28
Could be wrong, but it seems to me it has to do with the type of grape used, the amount of sugar added, and whether or not the grape skins are used in making the champagne....

The vintage might also have something to do with it.

85StoneWhiteFurball
17-12-2004, 19:29
All depends upon the blood sugar readings of the horse.......

Seriously, sweet wine usually contains added sugar, and brut requires a higher quality grape/wine because no sugar is added to mask the taste.

Valentinovna
17-12-2004, 19:40
Surely shampanskoye doesn't have vintages?

Shatneresque
17-12-2004, 20:00
I think it does; check the bottle. (Mind you, it won't be anything like 1937 or 1903; probably more like 2002....)

pengwn9
18-12-2004, 13:16
I love cheap Russian shampanskoye. Very tasty drink for 4 bucks a bottle. I think it's better than a lot of the pricey California bruts and ducks and sparkling wines. I saw a botlle of Russian champagne advertized in a Ramstore ad for 60 rubles! That's like 2 bucks! Good stuff.

lochnessmonster
18-12-2004, 13:33
Oh Peng, it's SWEET and SICKLY and too gassy and I never DId like it!

DPG
18-12-2004, 13:35
It's not THAT bad - stick some fresh peach juice in it for a passable Bellinis...!

lochnessmonster
18-12-2004, 13:40
We tried to make 'bucks fizz' last night with it and I don't think ANYONE finished their glass!

lochnessmonster
18-12-2004, 13:42
However, when I am in the bath tub having a hot soak, I sometimes like to share a cold glass or two of the bubbly stuff and only then it's 'acceptable'

Shatneresque
18-12-2004, 13:56
Originally posted by lochnessmonster
However, when I am in the bath tub having a hot soak, I sometimes like to share a cold glass or two of the bubbly stuff and only then it's 'acceptable'

Read Ian Fleming's Casino Royale sometime.

Magnums of cold dry champagne, a limitless supply of black caviar and toast points, and a beautiful woman in a slinky dress at your side---THAT, my friend, is living the high life!!!

lochnessmonster
18-12-2004, 14:29
good point. Also, don't forget Lochnessmonster's 'high life at Gruzinzkii Val': "crates of Baltika and vodka, a limitless supply of black bread, pickled cucumbers, and salted mushrooms, and a fat babushka from hell" = NOW THAT, my friend, is when you know you've hit ROCK BOTTOM!!

Shatneresque
18-12-2004, 14:29
HA!!! :p

lochnessmonster
18-12-2004, 14:33
Yeah, that Ian Fleming - didn't have a CLUE what he was writing about sometimes! You DO understand that you can't serve anything pointed (like sandwiches, toast etc) to royalty? You could slip a poisonous ASP into 007's bed, but not a sharp corner to the Queen - EVER!

Shatneresque
18-12-2004, 14:35
You mean, like a toast point?! :confused:

lochnessmonster
18-12-2004, 14:39
too bad, but true. Trebor will know the details, but something about if you serve anything with an 'angle' or 'sharp corner' it symbolises a knife and you are 'symbolically' threatening the queen. As a result, I never make toast for my mum unless the points have been snipped off.

Shatneresque
18-12-2004, 14:40
Thank you, HRH BPC! :D

lochnessmonster
18-12-2004, 14:45
Oooh that sounds like a swear word to me - with the vowels missed out. MODERATOR!!

Shatneresque
18-12-2004, 14:48
:D :D :D

DPG
18-12-2004, 14:58
Not only that, it appears that this is ardently anti-royal...

KILL SHATNER!!!:D:D

Shatneresque
18-12-2004, 15:00
Hey!!! QE II is Queen of Canada, too!!! :D :D :D

lochnessmonster
18-12-2004, 15:17
Cripes! AND she's got a ship named after her and her head on all the stamps! She MUST be doing well! BUT: I've heard of her going to a local pensioner's house for a cuppa, but when was the last time she popped over to BC for a hockey game?

Shatneresque
18-12-2004, 15:21
Yeah, she's a nice shiela, not at all stuck up!

Tatiana cat
18-12-2004, 16:45
Really nice are those who share Canadian Senate with her : the Duke of Edinburgh and the Governor General. :D

Shatneresque
18-12-2004, 16:54
"ER II. By the Grace of God, Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of Its Dominions and Territories across the Seas...." :bookworm:

Tatiana cat
18-12-2004, 17:04
Come on , Shatner I know that...
I mean when she is in Canada...

Shatneresque
18-12-2004, 17:11
Does she go there often...? :confused:

Tatiana cat
18-12-2004, 17:16
Over the 50 years of her Reign, Her Majesty has come to Canada on 20 occasions when she has met thousands of Canadians in all regions and, more importantly, in the villages, towns and cities where they live. Upon visiting the newly created (April 1999) Territory of Nunavut in October she will once again, have the distinction of having visited every province and territory and be the first member of the Royal Family to visit the new territory. The Queen has also been personally involved in many of their achievements and events, playing an integral part in creating defining moments in Canadian history: she is the first Monarch to read the Speech from the Throne (1957), she celebrated their Centenary with them at Expo '67, she declared open the Montreal Olympics in 1976 and she proclaimed The Constitution Act, 1982. The Queen has seen them evolve into a modern, confident and forward-looking society, evidenced in the adoption of the National Flag of Canada, the Canada Health Act, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the Official Languages Act. In his congratulatory message to Her Majesty on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of her Accession to the Throne (February 6, 2002), Prime Minister Jean Chretien spoke of her understanding of Canada:

As Queen of Canada, you have borne witness to our national growth and, indeed, have been present for many historic moments in the life of our country. I have had the honour to be in your presence on numerous occasions, and have always admired your commitment to Canada and your very genuine affection for Canadians.

Shatneresque
18-12-2004, 17:20
Cor, blimey! Twenty times in fifty years! That's jolly good, especially when you stop and think about all the other places she has to visit!

God Save the Queen! :thumbsup:

Tatiana cat
18-12-2004, 18:01
Did I pass?? :D

Tatiana cat
18-12-2004, 21:40
Talking about champaigne I drink any one with good chocolate.
Really doesn't matter for me if it's Sovetskoe or not.

Also I sometimes eat lots of olives. Strange girl.

Shatneresque
18-12-2004, 21:47
We park our cars in the same garage! :thumbsup:

(Black olives. From Greece. With feta cheese. And pita bread. And olive oil. YUM!)

Claude Bottom
18-12-2004, 22:28
Soviet champagne is great - got blasted on it once. The next morning wasn't so good (and this year will see a bottle of French stuff going down the hatch) - but I've got some very happy memories of Shampanskoye !! No wonder Stalin decreed all Russians should drink it.........

Valentinovna
18-12-2004, 23:00
Only 'blasted' on it once? For shame. Is definitely a drink for every occasion. Why have a glass when you can have a bottle?

Though maybe more than that is just too anaesthetising for the tastebuds.

It does go well with chocolate, but better with prianiki. The jammy ones.

WillsRN
19-12-2004, 23:41
Originally posted by 85StoneWhiteFurball
All depends upon the blood sugar readings of the horse.......

Seriously, sweet wine usually contains added sugar, and brut requires a higher quality grape/wine because no sugar is added to mask the taste.
Amount of sugar added has nothing to do with sweetness or dryness.
Amount of sugar added has everything to do with alcohol content.
What determines sweetness is where you stop the fermentation.
You can add no sugar, stop it early and have a sweet but low alcohol wine. You can add lots of sugar, let it ferment completely and end up with wine dry but only fit for making brandy with.
But you are right about the quality of grape. That and the vintner is what makes a truely incredible wine.

DPG
20-12-2004, 12:11
WillsRN - You are correct with the above when the wine in question is made according to the "Champagne Method" which Russian Shampanshoe certainly isn't...

lochnessmonster
20-12-2004, 12:20
Isn't Soviet champers simply pumped full of CO2 and the whole process from start to finish takes a day or two...? Whereas real champagne takes a great while longer (a few years?)

Kseniya
20-12-2004, 12:25
don't know why but I don't like Soviet champagne at all. I like Crimea champagne "Abrau Durseau".

Sunstorm
20-12-2004, 13:21
Ksen' - you BAD girl for not showing up last night!

A friend of mine who lives in Germany, always drinks Abrau Durs(eau?) and says it's very good and cheap :)

Sovetskoe Shampanskoe... hmmm... depends on who is producing it... I, actually avoid drinking it... sometimes leaves me with a feeling that they have added some washing powder for a foaming effect...

Tatiana cat
20-12-2004, 13:26
Seems to me there's no real champagne in Moscow...
If there's a choice, I go in for red wine... (although it's hardly ever real too)

Shatneresque
20-12-2004, 13:29
What were the two sweet red Georgian wines that were Stalin's favorites? Start with a "K" and a ...?

Kseniya
20-12-2004, 13:29
I decided to say NO to champagne...Coz it makes me crazy. I prefer other drinks.

Sunstorm, it is a pity that I didn't come, I know...but I was toooooo drunk to go somewhere alone....I left corporate party at 1am. Anyway hope to meet you soon :p

corp_fin
20-12-2004, 13:29
Try "Novyi Svet" - the best champagne for under USD10 per bottle.

Tatiana cat
20-12-2004, 13:39
Originally posted by Shatneresque
What were the two sweet red Georgian wines that were Stalin's favorites? Start with a "K" and a ...?

Kindzmarauli was his favourite wine...
Only one...

Shatneresque
20-12-2004, 13:59
There was another; I've had it, but can't remember the name.... Will look when I go home tonight.

Finished reading Robt. Harris's Archangel last night at 1:00 a.m.---d*mned good book (a novel about the "heir(s)" of Stalin)!

Highly recommend it! :thumbsup:

DPG
20-12-2004, 14:45
Lochness - You are absolutely right!!

Real Champers and Cava (and other traditional method) wines are made sparkling with the addition of extra yeast and sugar to the finished wine which is left in the bottle until the gas is created...the amount of extra sugar they add with the yeast (over and above that needed for the chemical reaction) determines the eventual sweetness of the wine itself.

Russian Shampanskoe (much like Pepsi) is made sparkling with CO2...!

Valentinovna
20-12-2004, 15:07
Maybe they should start selling it in cans for the authentic Pepsi hissing. Could be quite lucrative.

Maine Surfer
20-12-2004, 15:11
Kindzmarauli wasn't his favorite. He liked home made wine specially delivered to him from the place in Goergia where he grew up

sfjohns67
22-12-2004, 15:35
'Khvanchkara' is the other Georgian wine yer lookin fer.

Tatiana cat
22-12-2004, 23:25
I still insist that Stalin's favourite wine was Kindzmarauli...

http://www.abc.se/~m10354/resa/stalin86.htm