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Ghost
09-12-2004, 10:30
Suggestions to make this forum mo' betta. Just my personal opinion. Feel free to add or subtract.

1. Close all polls over 2 months old. Enough is enough. I'm kinda tired of seeing "Spit or Swallow"? for the 1.4 billionth time just because some newcomer (no pun intended) decides he/she MUST vote on Spit or Swallow (or any other of the 1400 running polls).

2. Somehow limit the number of aliases. Some of you (#-WeightMeasure-AnimalSpecies) have tons of aliases. Can't you just be you? And I'm not just picking on him, there are others it's difficult to keep track of. Some of you have so many names you begin to have conversations with yourself. WTF is that all about? Note: This rule does not apply to Ned and Evil Ned who are quite possibly the only opposite spectrum personalities of the same person who are entertaining here.

3. Kill Halyavshik.

4. Private forum for Expats only. This should allow us to vent all we want without having to curb our commentary JUST BECAUSE some Russians feel like we're bashing all that is their essence. It's needed, admit it.

5. More variety in moderators. Not saying pull the ones you have, but can we have a few more mods who are NOT Brits? Or is it a Brit only club? I know, I know. There's TD (who is here for his superb IT skillz) and Polly (who has to moderate various woman and russian speaking folders). But more other nationalities might be nice. No, I don't mean me - I would suck as a mod. But vary it a bit, folks.

6. Kill Halyavshik.

7. More unilateral inforcement of rules (which would be easier with a few more mods - see request 5). Poor DPG runs around like a madman trying to police the folders. But some threads have blatant profanity and some are all edited. Some folks get banned for something, others don't.

That's it. Sorry for bugging your day :)

Maine Surfer
09-12-2004, 10:33
Requests 3 and 6 sound good :D

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 10:35
Clarification. I use only one alias at a time, and one permanent one in Bardak (except for an occasional 2 post windup deal to respond with humour to some absurdity or another). All non current ones can be killed off for all I care.

And actually, Ghost, you hit a very sore spot. I would love to post under my own name. But some of the gossip that goes around in this community came back to me the very night before I was ready to dump all my animal aliases, and therefore I do not feel comfortable using my own name. My old bear had too many posts in too short a time due to some personal circumstances and I wanted to start fresh. The kitty is associated with a dispute, and that is not my thing either. So, here I am again, white as the driven snow :).

My feeling is that there should be some anonymous, temporary mods - give someone mod privileges for a day or two to relieve the permanent mods and take care of some things that slip through.

And 1. is an excellent suggestion indeed.

sfjohns67
09-12-2004, 10:36
8. Banish any member who spreads rumors about my alleged penis implant.

crom
09-12-2004, 10:41
1,2, 5,7 ok
3, 6 Alive or dead makes no difference
4. maybe forthcoming legislation will get us all kicked out!

9 Delete all aliases that have never been used or even not used within a 3 month of last (or even 1st) post

Braders
09-12-2004, 10:54
Originally posted by Ghost
Poor DPG runs around like a madman trying to police the folders.

You'd be surprised how many threads are moved, edited or deleted in one day Ghost by all of the Admin/Mods.

Sometimes a calling card is not necessary as it's a regular user and they should know the score.

I myself do most of my work in the Information, Buy & Sell, Accommodation etc etc, where i like to see serious replies to serious questions.

Expat Cafe rarely gets touched, the rule in here is simple, no vulgarness, most follow this SIMPLE rule.

It's not a Brit only club, we like to give Mod status to members who are level-headed, that's my opinion, any recommendations will be given due consideration, i have put sfjohns name forward before as i think he would make a damn good moderator.

Surok
09-12-2004, 10:56
1 is definitely a good idea.

vince
09-12-2004, 10:57
I think that 1 is a very good idea and to delete aliases that are not used for a long period of time shoulb be implemented.

:)

Having moderators of different nationalities sounds good for a site that is named expat.ru :)

But I have nothing to say against the actual moderators, they do a good job :)

lochnessmonster
09-12-2004, 11:00
I just had almost an entire page of new posts made up of polls, so THAt was a waste of time. So I'd have to agree with one - Maybe we should have a, umm, poll, to decide it... SF: the implant and a 'pool cue' - two different things entirely...As for DPG, he runs around like a madman anyway, policing or not...

sfjohns67
09-12-2004, 11:06
I appreciate the nod, Braders, but as I've said before, I don't want to be a moderator. I have too much fun as a "civilian" which would be compromised if I wanted to be a truly fair and objective moderator.

Plus, the temptation to change peoples' avatars to something obnoxious like my own would be just too great to resist.

Braders
09-12-2004, 11:06
I agree with point 4 as well.

Threads do and have turned into slagging matches merely because expats have a different point of view from their Comrades.

A trial would be a good idea.

P.I.M.P.
09-12-2004, 11:08
I am a cheapskate -- I like getting the best price possible. Its not so much a money thing as being satisfied that you havent been ripped off.

Could you PLEASE start a section called the frugal expat or something?
Not a huge need for moderating unless someone sticks something commercial in there.

There are a lot of cheap things you can do in Moscow which expats pay a lot more for than they could if they had the right info

$40 per month unlimited squash court time
$99 RT tix to most of Europe
500 rubles to swim with dolphins for an hour in the evenings at the dolphinaria
Biz lunches around town
Free museum tours, concerts, and sporting events, etc.

Anyway, this is what I think is sorely needed on this site. Doubt anyone will listen though :)

Braders
09-12-2004, 11:09
Originally posted by sfjohns67
I appreciate the nod, Braders, but as I've said before, I don't want to be a moderator. I have too much fun as a "civilian" which would be compromised if I wanted to be a truly fair and objective moderator.

Plus, the temptation to change peoples' avatars to something obnoxious like my own would be just too great to resist.

You would never be compromised we'll put you behind enemy lines deep, deep, deep undercover! you won't know you're you ;)

capone
09-12-2004, 11:20
Do I need a spravka to swim with the dolphins? Is that like swimming with the fishes?

Ghost
09-12-2004, 11:30
Sorry - didn't mean to say that none of the other mods do a good job. It's just I see more DPG visibility than anything else. I'm sure all mods work hard - and hey, they don't get paid for it, so that's more kudos to them.

Regarding the diversity of mods, just calling it how it's seen. And not by merely myself either. Perception is more powerful than truth.

kak
09-12-2004, 11:32
Originally posted by P.I.M.P.

Could you PLEASE start a section called the frugal expat or something?
Not a huge need for moderating unless someone sticks something commercial in there.

There are a lot of cheap things you can do in Moscow which expats pay a lot more for than they could if they had the right info



I think that's a good idea, and i remember that some time ago several people asked for a fun folder in order that we could post funny stuff without spamming the cafe for that.

as for Ghost's suggestions: i agree him for points 1. 2. 5. 7. and i think he's wrong, he would be a good mod. just like sfj would i think you should gave both of them the mod. "power" even if they do not want really to be mod..if they see bad comment/post they could erase/delete/edit them. Since a lot of people on this site are Americans we need Americans mods as well

Ghost
09-12-2004, 11:34
Thanks for the vote of confidence, Kak. But I assure you, I would not make a good mod. I'm still in Anger Management therapy, you know :) Though getting much better.

Polia Ivanova
09-12-2004, 11:46
Originally posted by Ghost
Suggestions to make this forum mo' betta. Just my personal opinion. Feel free to add or subtract.

4. Private forum for Expats only. This should allow us to vent all we want without having to curb our commentary JUST BECAUSE some Russians feel like we're bashing all that is their essence. It's needed, admit it.



Does it mean that I am out of here ??? Nice one... England for English, Expat for expats

Ghost
09-12-2004, 11:54
No, it means there would be ONE forum out of the current THIRTY-FOUR forums that you would not have access to.

I wish it wasn't necessary. But it is. Every time one of us wants to vent about something that drives us nuts in Russia, some Russian steps in to derail the thread and turn it into a battle ground because they claim we're insulting all of Russia or the Russian soul or something. Frankly it gets tiresome. Again, shocker -> This is EXPAT.RU

P.I.M.P.
09-12-2004, 12:02
How will you screen that a person is an expat? My name is Ivan and I'm a korinoy New Yorker :)

boscoe
09-12-2004, 12:02
Originally posted by Ghost

5. More variety in moderators. Not saying pull the ones you have, but can we have a few more mods who are NOT Brits? Or is it a Brit only club? I know, I know. There's TD (who is here for his superb IT skillz) and Polly (who has to moderate various woman and russian speaking folders). But more other nationalities might be nice. No, I don't mean me - I would suck as a mod. But vary it a bit, folks.



Whats Halyavshik chopped liver?

Never mind rhetorical question

Polia Ivanova
09-12-2004, 12:06
Originally posted by Ghost
No, it means there would be ONE forum out of the current THIRTY-FOUR forums that you would not have access to.

I wish it wasn't necessary. But it is. Every time one of us wants to vent about something that drives us nuts in Russia, some Russian steps in to derail the thread and turn it into a battle ground because they claim we're insulting all of Russia or the Russian soul or something. Frankly it gets tiresome. Again, shocker -> This is EXPAT.RU

You can just moderate it by imposing rules and deleting the messages that don't comply with them.
P.I.M.P right - how you are going to find out who is who - private meeting in Moscow? and what if he/she works in Sakhalin?

Ghost
09-12-2004, 12:06
Lol...yes, he is.

I wasn't aware he was a moderator. Which forum does he moderate?

Ghost
09-12-2004, 12:07
Originally posted by Polia Ivanova
You can just moderate it by imposing rules and deleting the messages that don't comply with them.
P.I.M.P right - how you are going to find out who is who - private meeting in Moscow? and what if he/she works in Sakhalin?

Yes, let's spend all the time deleting messages, and diffusing arguments instead of just having a private forum.

What does this have to do with finding out who is who? And what the hell is Sakhalin?

plastique
09-12-2004, 12:12
Originally posted by Ghost
No, it means there would be ONE forum out of the current THIRTY-FOUR forums that you would not have access to.

I wish it wasn't necessary. But it is. Every time one of us wants to vent about something that drives us nuts in Russia, some Russian steps in to derail the thread and turn it into a battle ground because they claim we're insulting all of Russia or the Russian soul or something. Frankly it gets tiresome. Again, shocker -> This is EXPAT.RU

I have to agree with Ghost on pretty much every point excep the kill hal stuff. I like him. He is cute and funny. so there.

but being on the receiving end of a new butthole lately when trying to vent i have to agree.
to pimp's question of how? make the folder a request folder like bardak is. i agree it is tricky, but i agree it is needed.

Polia Ivanova
09-12-2004, 12:16
Originally posted by Ghost


What does this have to do with finding out who is who? And what the hell is Sakhalin?

Then you are right - the private forum of people with the same level of ignorance about the country they live in will be of no interest of mine...

Outlaw
09-12-2004, 12:17
I want a folder for porno pics so that I can look at them without my company seeing that I've been on those sites. Please?!

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 12:18
The presence of the expat folder should bother no one. I, for one, am not interested in it even though I am an expat - so I just won't request access (or more likely, I will and just won't participate). If others want it, let it be - so long as it does not become a gossip folder or a slag-off folder per below.

However, there seem to be a few secret, in-club folders here that are the source of much malicious gossip. If these indeed exist and are not urban legend, they should be closed ASAP - this is kiddie crap and has no place in a community. Slagging off belongs in Bardak where it can be done in good fun, and where access is open to all who want it. This site is paid for by advertisers who do not benefit one bit from gossip and nonsense, and they should not be paying for kiddie club clique folders which in the end lead to situations that drive real participants, who are in many cases the real target audience for the advertisers, out of the community.

moscowmail
09-12-2004, 12:18
Some great points Ghost.

I think this is why we need open discussions on this type of theme.

We will never satisfy everyone, but if we try for the masses, then great.

Your suggestion re the private folder, we could do the same for the Russian community, I think they also need an outlet against us idiotic expats.

Please use this thread for these suggestions guys.

So far mods are:

TD - American
Braders - English
DPG - English
Jules - Canadian
Havyboy - US
Polly - US
Boscoe - English, well actually Geordie
DJ Biscuit -not sure, Eng I think
Me - Gypsy - Eng

Again, we are open to nominations, Ghost, when your anger management, let me know, you have the makings of a fine mod, but you need to change your nationality to British ;)

Also, my spelling and grammar is bad, mainly because I type to quick and don't check, maybe I should be banned, hmmm... good thought :)

Ghost
09-12-2004, 12:19
Originally posted by Polia Ivanova
Then you are right - the private forum of people with the same level of ignorance about the country they live in will be of no interest of mine...

Great - one less complaining pseudonym! Bye now!

As for the geography thing - you know how many Russians I know that don't know various names of towns in Russia? And let's quiz you on US or UK cities. Begone, fiend!

Ghost
09-12-2004, 12:21
Originally posted by moscowmail
Some great points Ghost.

I think this is why we need open discussions on this type of theme.

We will never satisfy everyone, but if we try for the masses, then great.

Your suggestion re the private folder, we could do the same for the Russian community, I think they also need an outlet against us idiotic expats.

Please use this thread for these suggestions guys.

So far mods are:

TD - American
Braders - English
DPG - English
Jules - Canadian
Havyboy - US
Polly - US
Boscoe - English, well actually Geordie
DJ Biscuit -not sure, Eng I think
Me - Gypsy - Eng

Again, we are open to nominations, Ghost, when your anger management, let me know, you have the makings of a fine mod, but you need to change your nationality to British ;)

Also, my spelling and grammar is bad, mainly because I type to quick and don't check, maybe I should be banned, hmmm... good thought :)

LOL...heh. Anger Management is like Alcoholics Anonymous . You're never really out. You're just on the program.

Oh, and Jules, Polly and Hal don't really qualify as mods - all they do is moderate a folder based only in Russian - because of their language ability. They're not REALLY mods. They're part-time help. :)

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 12:26
The real problem is that all of these mods know each other and know most of the regulars. It would be a great idea to have a mod who is either a lurker or not even a part of the community, so that moderation would be completely unbiased. That moderator should have the most responsibility and probably should be compensated.

capone
09-12-2004, 12:29
Originally posted by 85StoneWhiteFurball
The real problem is that all of these mods know each other and know most of the regulars. It would be a great idea to have a mod who is either a lurker or not even a part of the community, so that moderation would be completely unbiased. That moderator should have the most responsibility and probably should be compensated.

The mod owns the forum. He is the king and we are but lowly courtiers.

Sidney Bliss
09-12-2004, 12:31
Originally posted by 85StoneWhiteFurball
It would be a great idea to have a mod who is either a lurker or not even a part of the community

So when do ya start, mini nuts? :D

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 12:32
LOL - me a lurker? Me a moderator? Mini nuts? Do not know which is funnier, but the third and first are utterly inaccurate, whereas the second would be an utter disaster!

moscowmail
09-12-2004, 12:49
At the start of this I had 2 mods who were independent to the site, this was when it was just me and TD, then we brought Lee and then the rest.

The idea is good, however, why an earth would someone want to do it? it is like being a politician, those that want to be, shouldn't, that is why SFj, Ghost etc would be good mods I believe.

However, we will look into this as well


The multi logins, we tried to stop this with email system, obviously doesnt work, so we will revisit this and think of another way, I think 2 per member is fine.

Re the private folders, yes there some, however, they are created for various reasons. If anyone wants a private folder they come to me, TD, Lee or DPG, explain why, then we decide if it is valid, this has been done in the past and some work some don't, for instance we had a folder that was aimed at alternative sex people, swingers, gay, lesbian etc, and it wasnt used, so there ya go.

L

J.D.
09-12-2004, 12:51
Instead of closing threads why not enable a feature that lets people ignore certain threds. Never understood this "thread closed" crap. If you don't like the way it's going don't participate, don't look.

An expat venting folder seems to have some merit on the surface but then it's going to get bogged down in details. RWB is technically an expat but claims he isn't because he has effectively imagrated, Main Surfer has dual citizenship, some of us aren't working and are brain dead so we fail the expat definition. And what about Russians in abraod? They're expats.

Ghost, maybe you can open your private venting folder and invite who you would like to join.

Has Hal been killed yet? Are you looking for volunteers?

Ghost
09-12-2004, 12:51
So what you're telling me is that Sir Gay has his own private folder?

Ghost
09-12-2004, 12:53
Originally posted by J.D.
Ghost, maybe you can open your private venting folder and invite who you would like to join.


Yes, because I vent so much on here that I need a personal venting folder.

Go teach some English to people who don't know better.

J.D.
09-12-2004, 12:56
It wasn't a slam to you ghost. You wanted an expat venting folder. I foresee problems with membership. I suggest a solution that circumvents all those problems.

You're too defensive, go drink some beer.

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 12:58
I've been asking for an ignore thread function (and a real Ignore to make those who tick me off really disappear) for over a year now - the problem is technical and beyond the control of the owners and tech people.

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 12:59
Originally posted by Ghost
So what you're telling me is that Sir Gay has his own private folder?

Yes, in the bottom of the fountain outside Manezh.

J.D.
09-12-2004, 12:59
Originally posted by 85StoneWhiteFurball
I've been asking for an ignore thread function (and a real Ignore to make those who tick me off really disappear) for over a year now - the problem is technical and beyond the control of the owners and tech people.

It's not that difficult.

Just quit the site.

moscowmail
09-12-2004, 13:05
The poll thing I agree with, someone did that on purpose I think, or was completely sad.

I will try and get that sorted

sfjohns67
09-12-2004, 13:06
Originally posted by moscowmail
Re the private folders, yes there some, however, they are created for various reasons. If anyone wants a private folder they come to me, TD, Lee or DPG, explain why, then we decide if it is valid, this has been done in the past and some work some don't, for instance we had a folder that was aimed at alternative sex people, swingers, gay, lesbian etc, and it wasnt used, so there ya go.L Len, if you let one more person in the Viagra Users' Support Group folder, Sidney Bliss and I and our limp noodles will f*ck off outta here with no further ado!

Ghost
09-12-2004, 13:07
I'll be drinking beer/cider this Saturday, JD. Will you? :agree:

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 13:07
Originally posted by moscowmail
The poll thing I agree with, someone did that on purpose I think, or was completely sad.

I will try and get that sorted

I think it is an honest mistake, where newcomers log on, see the polls, and do not realise these polls are older than dirt. I've noticed at least twice where a newcomer not only votes on, but also comments on, a poll that is over three months old, thereby restarting a thread. Pointless and irritating, but no harm meant.

kak
09-12-2004, 13:09
Bump.

what about:
fun folder?
frugal expat folder ( about cheap stuff in moscow)?
? yes- no?

Halyavshik
09-12-2004, 13:13
Fearing imminent demise, I staged a violent attack and eradicated all the other site mods and admins. My every whim and fancyl now rule supreme. You must cater to my every desire.

I hereby adjudicate the following decrees:

1. Any personal disputes must be resolved by one party killing and eating the losing party.

2. Olim's avatar is to be taken out and shot.

3. SFJ, please rub the corns on my aching feet.

4. Moscowmail and the erstwhile sir Gay have been appointed as moderators of the new 'Ambiguous Sexuality' folder

5. All posts should inconspicuously incorporate the word 'dingleberry' into the text or signature.

6. You cannot reply with out saying 'Simon Says' or phrasing the post as a question, like in Jeopardy. For example, if someone asks where he can buy peanutbutter, the response must read as "What is Stockmans ?" or "Simon says Stockmans".

7. To appease JD, punctuaton and the use of the subjunctive is from hereforth banned (except for me, of course).

8. Polarbear hugs will be met with a swift kick in the groin.

9. By popular demand, swearing is now allowed in the 'pets' folder

Sunstorm
09-12-2004, 13:14
Kak, most of the folders we have here are fun :) What do you mean - you will stop posting on other forums and will specially go to "fun" folder if you decide to make a joke? I don't think so, for some reason :D

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 13:17
Originally posted by Halyavshik

1. Any personal disputes must be resolved by one party killing and eating the losing party.


Agreed. This guarantees that anyone who messes with me will be made into vindaloo and summarily eaten!

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 13:18
Originally posted by Halyavshik

8. Polarbear hugs will be met with a swift kick in the groin.



That one gets you my right front paw straight up your arse, all the way out the other side :D

Sadie
09-12-2004, 13:32
Len, frankly, whaz the point of refraining from organinsing all these folders people are asking for.

Say, Ghost and Plastique have a common sore spot (respect to you guys, we all have 'em :p) which is an "Expats whining" folder - why not? Am slightly afraid all this whining 'bout the absence of the "Whining folder" takes more space than the threads of this folder once it's settled here ;) :) I recall same complaints from R&R some time ago - it breaks my heart to see all these sufferings :p:p:p Let it be a folder for 2-10 ppl - cares who?

In fact, folders when not justified die 'emselves - remember this fuss bout women-men folders? What's happened to 'em?

Second - completely second Kak's suggestion 'bout cheap stuff - i suggest some kind of "Shopping" folder - as it would be convenient for newcomers and others

Third - move this folder to site ideas folder - ain't getting why to open any folders when ppl 're unable to see the difference between them :p ;)

kak
09-12-2004, 13:34
the cheap stuff folder is an idea from Pimp ;)

Evil Ned Kelly
09-12-2004, 13:35
Ban Ned Kelly from the site and let my half reign freely. Good Ned Kelly is a bore. A skidmark on the boxers of Expat.ru

Sadie
09-12-2004, 13:36
PIMP - I apologise :)
But doesn't shopping in general make more sense? Ich do not care much, just thinking :eh: ;)

Ghost
09-12-2004, 13:37
Originally posted by Halyavshik
Fearing imminent demise, I staged a violent attack and eradicated all the other site mods and admins. My every whim and fancyl now rule supreme. You must cater to my every desire.

I hereby adjudicate the following decrees:

1. Any personal disputes must be resolved by one party killing and eating the losing party.

2. Olim's avatar is to be taken out and shot.

3. SFJ, please rub the corns on my aching feet.

4. Moscowmail and the erstwhile sir Gay have been appointed as moderators of the new 'Ambiguous Sexuality' folder

5. All posts should inconspicuously incorporate the word 'dingleberry' into the text or signature.

6. You cannot reply with out saying 'Simon Says' or phrasing the post as a question, like in Jeopardy. For example, if someone asks where he can buy peanutbutter, the response must read as "What is Stockmans ?" or "Simon says Stockmans".

7. To appease JD, punctuaton and the use of the subjunctive is from hereforth banned (except for me, of course).

8. Polarbear hugs will be met with a swift kick in the groin.

9. By popular demand, swearing is now allowed in the 'pets' folder

LOL...bravo!

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 13:37
Originally posted by Sadie
ppl 're anable )

Getting rid of the people who are "anable" (minus the b and e) would clear up all of the problems here - but it would also mean an empty site!

(edit away, pal :p!)

And as someone who would probably be contributor #1, the shopping folder is a great idea - I had suggested a fashion folder months ago but this general consumer folder is a much better idea. If you open it this weekend, I will contribute a number of answers to questions that always seem to come up - I'd appreciate if these were made into stickies. Hey, I ought to moderate this one, for that matter :p

Ghost
09-12-2004, 13:39
Originally posted by Sadie
Say, Ghost and Plastique have a common sore spot

Actually, I don't do a lot of complaining about Russia on this site - but I think there are enough threads on it to warrant a folder on Expats only.

You're correct - I should have put this thread in Site Ideas. Maybe Hal can move it since he's slain all the other mods.

Halyavshik
09-12-2004, 13:39
Originally posted by Ghost
LOL...bravo!

Hey ! You didn't reply with 'Simon Says ' !

sparky
09-12-2004, 13:41
Who is Simon?

Sadie
09-12-2004, 13:43
Originally posted by Ghost
You're correct
I am always correct :p
just my grammar sucks a bit :p:D

Ghost
09-12-2004, 13:43
I, now, must also be slain.

J.D.
09-12-2004, 13:43
Originally posted by 85StoneWhiteFurball
Getting rid of the people who are "anable" (minus the b and e) would clear up all of the problems here - but it would also mean an empty site!

(edit away, pal :p!)



A great example of the problem with editing
IGNORANCE

Since when is 'anal' a four letter word?
Do you have any clue as to what it means?

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 13:44
Originally posted by Sadie
I am always correct :p
just my grammar sucks a bit :p:D

Sux? OK, but it sux creatively - and dramatically! On the other hand, your editing skills are truly excellent :p

Sunstorm
09-12-2004, 13:46
Originally posted by Ghost
Actually, I don't do a lot of complaining about Russia on this site - but I think there are enough threads on it to warrant a folder on Expats only.

For complaining or for any other purposes - why should anyone mind the expats having a folder designed only, solely for them? It's a free world, after all :)

polly
09-12-2004, 13:48
Originally posted by Sadie
Let it be a folder for 2-10 ppl - cares who?


wow, our numbers are dwindling!

J.D.
09-12-2004, 13:49
I think it should have a Russian moderator though.

Sadie
09-12-2004, 13:49
I seriously think that the Russian can be of great help in developing your native language further, and making it brighter and more expressive (especially me of course :p )

- humble me

Sadie
09-12-2004, 13:52
Originally posted by J.D.
I think it should have a Russian moderator though.

funny, JD, I was made a russian folder moderator just for una night when MM I guess recieved a couple (or more :D ) of complaints about my nasty personality and I .. :cry: .. I.. :cry: was fired bein' just hired! Ahh! Still hurts (everywhere) :p

me is a perfect mod for expats whining folder! Yess!! That's what they all deserve :p:p:p

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 13:52
How about an Illituritz folder, restricted only to those, native speakers or otherwise, who cannot post without a minimum of three grammatical or spelling errors per post. I duzen't want to partisipate, yoo see, but it wood be fun.

Ghost
09-12-2004, 13:54
Originally posted by polly
wow, our numbers are dwindling!

Yep :)

Actually, an expat folder would be quite popular, I believe.

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 13:54
And of course an Emoti-Cons folder (ou en francais - emoti-conneries), for those who insist on using five or more emoticons per post ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :p

boscoe
09-12-2004, 14:07
I was wondering why the nationality of the moderators is important.

If we had Americans in charge we may be invading and taking over www.waytorussia.ru by now

Ghost
09-12-2004, 14:16
That site needs to go. I hear it has oil.

Diversification is good because different nationalities have different views and therefore allow a much better and well rounded "policing". Besides, you don't want people to think it's all about only having moderators that fit into a particular friendship circle, do you?

Oops...too late! :)

Ned Kelly
09-12-2004, 14:17
Originally posted by Evil Ned Kelly
Ban Ned Kelly from the site and let my half reign freely. Good Ned Kelly is a bore. A skidmark on the boxers of Expat.ru

you're a shiver looking for a spine to run down, so that makes us about even.

Evil Ned Kelly
09-12-2004, 14:25
Originally posted by Ned Kelly
you're a shiver looking for a spine to run down, so that makes us about even.

A shiver ? C'mon, admit it. Skidmark was better.

boscoe
09-12-2004, 14:29
Originally posted by Ghost
That site needs to go. I hear it has oil.

Diversification is good because different nationalities have different views and therefore allow a much better and well rounded "policing".

I hardly think it maters, if I see a post I think needs moderating I do it, I wouldnt stop and find out if an American would do so

If anything it could be argued that if these views were so different it would do nothing but cause confusion and infighting among mods, as some mods would edit things that another moderator wouldnt etc, etc, etc

Ned Kelly
09-12-2004, 14:33
Originally posted by Evil Ned Kelly
A shiver ? C'mon, admit it. Skidmark was better.

alright, alright, it has a ring to it...

boscoe
09-12-2004, 14:40
Originally posted by Ned Kelly
alright, alright, it has a ring to it...

and it slides off the tongue easier... :D

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 14:44
Oh, and I forgot the most important folder of them all - the Hijacked Threads folder, in which someone posts a serious suggestion and we let it go for 5-10 posts and then start slagging off, talking about anus sizes etc.

polly
09-12-2004, 14:51
the hijacked/ banned/deleted folder aka "the Isle of Misfits" on another board...

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 14:56
I like that idea too - give the banned posters their own folder where they can enjoy themselves - do not allow them access to the rest of the site, but allow those who want to have some fun with them to do so. The folder can also be used as a penalty box for temporary punishment of those who are misbehaving on any given day.

Ghost
09-12-2004, 14:58
Originally posted by boscoe
I hardly think it maters, if I see a post I think needs moderating I do it, I wouldnt stop and find out if an American would do so

If anything it could be argued that if these views were so different it would do nothing but cause confusion and infighting among mods, as some mods would edit things that another moderator wouldnt etc, etc, etc

Infighting? You mean like what, taking sides? There are rules to follow. It either follows a rule or it does not. But the difference in culture allows for a different interpretation of how posts are read. Things that are rather rude and insulting that might be edited by an American are not rude and insulting to a Brit, and vice versa. Diversity is a strength.

Apart from that, right now it appears as though the same Brit group of friends are mods. If you guys owned the site, I could see it. All I'm saying is a little variance might be cool. Of course, you all can play the "not in my backyard" stance - it's your call. You are, after all, the MODS. :)

Curious. Can you give me a reason NOT to have mods of different backgrounds? Ones who aren't necessarily in your group of pals?

Halyavshik
09-12-2004, 15:00
I've got an idea. Let's make EVERYONE a moderator and then we can all edit everything anyone writes, ever.

boscoe
09-12-2004, 15:06
Personally I have no problem with having mods of any colour creed or religion, the point is I think it should be much more about the person than what country he/she comes from

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 15:09
The answer, again - impartial, anonymous, preferably professional moderators and administrators from OUTSIDE the core community of posters. That is the only fair way. National origin indeed has no bearing - in fact having it done offshore might be the very best and most cost effective way.

Halyavshik
09-12-2004, 15:12
Ooh, ooh, ooh, let's get robots to do it ! Cyborgs !

DPG
09-12-2004, 15:14
Originally posted by boscoe
Personally I have no problem with having mods of any colour creed or religion, the point is I think it should be much more about the person than what country he/she comes from

I agree (Boscoe is after all a British moderator - how could I not!;)).

I would say that the main requirements for potential "modship" are:

Someone who:

is sensible and levelheaded and even-tempered.
can be diplomatic and act as a mediator.
who is online very regularly and/or for long periods.
who knows the site and its users, as well as the conflicts/history there-of.
is known to the users of the site (at least online).
is an expat. (Ok, may get flamed for that, but this is expat.ru)
someone willing to devote time for free.


There aren't that many people who fit the bill when you look at the above, but I guess we are open to suggestions...

Ghost
09-12-2004, 15:14
Resistance is futile.

And Boscoe, isn't Expat.ru an EOE?

Halyavshik
09-12-2004, 15:15
What about cyborgs ? Can we get cyborgs ?

Ghost
09-12-2004, 15:16
Originally posted by DPG
I agree (Boscoe is after all a British moderator - how could I not!;)).

I would say that the main requirements for potential "modship" are:

Someone who:

is sensible and levelheaded and even-tempered.
can be diplomatic and act as a mediator.
who is online very regularly and/or for long periods.
who knows the site and its users, as well as the conflicts/history there-of.
is known to the users of the site (at least online).
is an expat. (Ok, may get flamed for that, but this is expat.ru)

There aren't that many people who fit the bill when you look at the above, but I guess we are open to suggestions...

But there are. You just have to pick a few who aren't necessarily in a small friendship group. Anyway, I've said what I wanted. There are a host of folks who feel the same way, but whateva! :)

Ned Kelly
09-12-2004, 15:16
Originally posted by DPG
I agree (Boscoe is after all a British moderator - how could I not!;)).

I would say that the main requirements for potential "modship" are:

Someone who:

is sensible and levelheaded and even-tempered.
can be diplomatic and act as a mediator.
who is online very regularly and/or for long periods.
who knows the site and its users, as well as the conflicts/history there-of.
is known to the users of the site (at least online).
is an expat. (Ok, may get flamed for that, but this is expat.ru)

There aren't that many people who fit the bill when you look at the above, but I guess we are open to suggestions...

jesus, sounds like it was written personally for outlaw.

Halyavshik
09-12-2004, 15:18
Flesh-eating cyborgs !

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 15:24
Originally posted by DPG
I agree (Boscoe is after all a British moderator - how could I not!;)).

I would say that the main requirements for potential "modship" are:

Someone who:

is sensible and levelheaded and even-tempered. YES
can be diplomatic and act as a mediator. YES
who is online very regularly and/or for long periods. YES
who knows the site and its users, as well as the conflicts/history there-of. NO!
is known to the users of the site (at least online). ONLY ONLINE!
is an expat. (Ok, may get flamed for that, but this is expat.ru) WHO CARES
someone willing to devote time for free. THIS SITE SHOULD BRING IN ENOUGH TO PAY AT LEAST A STIPEND TO A PRO.


There aren't that many people who fit the bill when you look at the above, but I guess we are open to suggestions...

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 15:25
Originally posted by Halyavshik
What about cyborgs ? Can we get cyborgs ?

I am serious. Plenty of people/firms in India who could handle this - and add a few tech features too. And imagine the recipes they would post for us while we're at it :)!

Halyavshik
09-12-2004, 15:26
Wow. Indian cyborgs ! Cool !

boscoe
09-12-2004, 15:27
Originally posted by Ghost
But there are. You just have to pick a few who aren't necessarily in a small friendship group. Anyway, I've said what I wanted. There are a host of folks who feel the same way, but whateva! :)

Name some...

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 15:27
Originally posted by Ned Kelly
jesus, sounds like it was written personally for outlaw.

What the **** are you talking about?

Ghost
09-12-2004, 15:31
I'd be happy to name some, but they've told me in PMs, and I assume that means that they would prefer their position not known. I realize that puts me in a compromising position, but what can I do?

Honestly they should post here, if they agree. As I told them in PM.

Halyavshik
09-12-2004, 15:31
Originally posted by boscoe
Name some...

CYBORGS !

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 15:33
I agree, or I would not be making any comments whatsoever regarding this issue (as opposed to my desire to see a shopping folder).

boscoe
09-12-2004, 15:36
Originally posted by Ghost
I'd be happy to name some, but they've told me in PMs, and I assume that means that they would prefer their position not known. I realize that puts me in a compromising position, but what can I do?

Honestly they should post here, if they agree. As I told them in PM.

They did..... I deleted their posts ;)

Ghost
09-12-2004, 15:39
haha... :)

There are three in the beginning who agreed with point 5 that you missed.

moscowmail
09-12-2004, 15:48
Everyoner as moderators except the current mods and we will be normal people (hmmm, ermm) and then we can swear, abuse and the like :)

Cyborgs....

Velly intewesting :)

J.D.
09-12-2004, 15:53
The moderators need to be divided into 3 groups.
The first group does the everyday policing of the site.
The second group makes the rules for the site.
The third group will handle the appeals and disputes.

boscoe
09-12-2004, 16:08
Originally posted by J.D.
The moderators need to be divided into 3 groups.
The first group does the everyday policing of the site.
The second group makes the rules for the site.
The third group will handle the appeals and disputes.

Good god, how much time would you like us to spend on thisyou forgot the international moderators of human rights, and the supreme moderators court

Ghost
09-12-2004, 16:11
We need moderators who moderate moderators.

Sunstorm
09-12-2004, 16:12
Originally posted by J.D.
The moderators need to be divided into 3 groups.
The first group does the everyday policing of the site.
The second group makes the rules for the site.
The third group will handle the appeals and disputes.


Also, Mods have to come in different ages. And yeah!! more female-mods!!!
Besides!! do we have any black/hispanic/asian moderators??

kak
09-12-2004, 16:13
Originally posted by boscoe
Good god, how much time would you like us to spend on thisyou forgot the international moderators of human rights, and the supreme moderators court

especially knowing the fact that you are not paid for doing this.....

maybe we can at least thanks all of them for their work because they working hard to try to make this board as great as possible. and i do believe that we all give them a hard time
;)

Halyavshik
09-12-2004, 16:13
Originally posted by Ghost
We need moderators who moderate moderators.
That's what the cyborgs are for !

moscowmail
09-12-2004, 16:13
What about the mod gods? who will mod them?

Can of worms closed....



OHHWWWOOOWWW, the can is open..... we are all doooommmeeedd :)

DJ Biscuit
09-12-2004, 16:29
Originally posted by J.D.
The moderators need to be divided into 3 groups.
The first group does the everyday policing of the site.
The second group makes the rules for the site.
The third group will handle the appeals and disputes.

But, you forgot the logistics manager, administrative officer, office manager, HR director and company analyst.

For crying out loud, what's up with people today?

CaveMan
09-12-2004, 16:37
Originally posted by kak
especially knowing the fact that you are not paid for doing this.....

maybe we can at least thanks all of them for their work because they working hard to try to make this board as great as possible. and i do believe that we all give them a hard time
;)

Totally agree, this is like a charity work with no pay...We want want want but never give thanks..... Let the mod's alone...As far as I can see (also being the new boy around here) they are doing a damn fine job.....

Ps. Please someone give Hal a cyborg.......:D :D

P.I.M.P.
09-12-2004, 16:40
So how about the frugal expat folder?

I don't mind if it's moderated by a cyborg or an Indian.

Sadie
09-12-2004, 16:56
Nu? And what are the revolutionary results of this thread so far?

Any rumors? :nerd:

By the way, when you open a separate "Only whining expats" folder, could we, social outcasts, then have our own lil ghetto here too puhleeze? :D 4 our whining 'bout expats ?? ;) :p

Halyavshik
09-12-2004, 16:57
Swearing in the Pets folder is now allowed ?

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 16:58
Results? As usual - hijacked thread - next we are about to discuss the minimum cup size for female Indian cyborg moderators.

And you have your ghetto - the Russian language folder - especially because my suggestion for a separate mat folder was pilloried and lambasted, you will not find any expats there except for the moderators :).

Sadie
09-12-2004, 17:03
what the hell are you talkin' bout? Every expat can poke his nose into it! We even have US-Can moderating there !! Real ghetto I said! :inquis:
:hooray: :hooray: :hooray:

Halyavshik
09-12-2004, 17:13
Originally posted by Sadie
Every expat can poke his nose into it!

Yeah, but they don't really understand anything. For all intents and purposes, it's just as good as being closed. :)

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 17:17
Originally posted by Sadie
what the hell are you talkin' bout? Every expat can poke his nose into it! We even have US-Can moderating there !! Real ghetto I said! :inquis:
:hooray: :hooray: :hooray:

Hmmm...you could ask to qualify for both the Illiturits and Emoti-Cons folders which I suggested above :) :). To do so, you would have to refrain from editing your own posts for a period of six weeks, regardless of how much some big white ball of fur teases you for your creative and amusing twists of English grammar and spelling rules :p

Sparafucile
09-12-2004, 17:18
My only comment on all of this.... is to agree with someone about something :-) (I must be going soft....)

I think "Frugal Ex-Pat" is a good idea. There is a general view about foreigners in Moscow (largely perpetuated by Russians, I must say...) that not only do they have unlimited amounts of money....

.... but also that they are clinical idiots, and can be sold complete rubbish for top prices entirely fairly.

This is not a question of being tight-fisted, or even of being impoverished - as many Ex-Pats do indeed earn better-than-average-Muscovite salaries. But condoning overt rip-offs and outrageous prices for crap is not in the interests of the Site.

This Site has to be many things to many people as we are a very diverse Community, but one of its most valuable aspects is to help newbie arrivals to "hit the ground running". If they were to ask their Russian work-colleagues, they would be directed to Cafe Pushkin if they wanted "a quick cheap snack", I fear?

The recent "how to keep your taxi-fares reasonable" thread was a perfect example of how sharing street-smarts can be invaluable. Many of us have been here for donkey's years - but someone either TOLD us these things, or we learnt in the School Of Hard Knocks. Time for those who know, to pass it on? For example, I met one guy who had just arrived - who was tipping Taxi-Drivers 10%, because he had read "they do this in Europe". And no-one had told him not to do it....

Sadie
09-12-2004, 17:21
Halun'chik, sweetiek, you sure know they can, Ned can, you can, ban all expats from it and i am fine then :p The Russian folder was created for diff purposes - 4 expats to watch the russians swearin' in russian and learn :p

plus I wanna whine freely, proudly and loudly and Englishly :p so there :reindeer: That's the only reason for me to be here - English, hunnichka :)

peyote
09-12-2004, 17:33
Originally posted by Sunstorm
Besides!! do we have any black/hispanic/asian moderators?? thinking of me? how sweet!
:D

Sunstorm
09-12-2004, 17:35
LOL :D Exactomente!

Halyavshik
09-12-2004, 17:46
Originally posted by Sadie
Halun'chik, sweetiek, you sure know they can, Ned can, you can, ban all expats from it and i am fine then :p The Russian folder was created for diff purposes - 4 expats to watch the russians swearin' in russian and learn :p

plus I wanna whine freely, proudly and loudly and Englishly :p so there :reindeer: That's the only reason for me to be here - English, hunnichka :)

Don't get me wrong, I'm against a 'whine' or 'expat-only' folder, too. 'Nuff of that in here as it is.

My main interest here is in promoting the use of cyborg moderators. Cyborgs that will fell wayward posters with dylitheum crystal ray-guns for even the most harmless of infractions. I want them to have those ominous red eyes like in Terminator. Not the shape changing silver ones - those are too expensive, I imagine -- Just the good ole T100 models. How cool would that be ?

"Asta la Vista, Olim's avatar"

Damn, I'm excited !

Sunstorm
09-12-2004, 17:54
Originally posted by Halyavshik

"Asta la Vista, Olim's avatar"


- It's Hasta la Vista


Damn, I'm excited !

-- Nah... cyborg you ain't :D

DJ Biscuit
09-12-2004, 17:54
What about Dalek moderators?

''Exterminate, exterminate, off topic, exterminate''

Poncy cyborgs, huh, Daleks mate, that's it!

Shatneresque
09-12-2004, 18:01
Originally posted by DJ Biscuit
Poncy cyborgs, huh, Daleks mate, that's it!

Not cyborgs, cybernauts :evilgrin:.

jules
09-12-2004, 18:02
I wear glasses, does that make me a cyborg? A female, non-UK diplomatic Russian-speaking cyborg mod, with Indian blood even! What more do you need? ;) LOL

Halyavshik
09-12-2004, 18:04
Do you have a ray gun and red glowwy eyes ?

DJ Biscuit
09-12-2004, 18:08
Redundant fools.

DALEKS.

trebor
09-12-2004, 18:09
Originally posted by Ghost
I wish it wasn't necessary. But it is. Every time one of us wants to vent about something that drives us nuts in Russia, some Russian steps in to derail the thread and turn it into a battle ground because they claim we're insulting all of Russia or the Russian soul or something. Frankly it gets tiresome. Again, shocker -> This is EXPAT.RU

That's descrimination. How can you exclude Russians in their own country?
Frankly speaking if you have a reasonable complaint you should be able to defend it and if your complaint is not reasonable call your MUM!

kak
09-12-2004, 18:19
Originally posted by trebor
That's descrimination. How can you exclude Russians in their own country?
Frankly speaking if you have a reasonable complaint you should be able to defend it and if your complaint is not reasonable call your MUM!

Hello, Mc fly you quoted it but you missed it:

Again, shocker -> This is EXPAT.RU
this is not a "country", this is:

"The virtual community for English speaking expats and Russians"

and Ghost is talking about ONE folder without russians.

:rolleyes:

trebor
09-12-2004, 18:36
......................and i've got another good idea:p
Instead of expats continualy bitching and moaning and thinking about themselves, how about a giving back folder:

Opportunities to support Russian Social Welfare Efforts
(Overviews of worthwhile organizations to which expats can contribute their time and support to help the poor and needy)

Perhaps Kak can find enough time after posting his cartoons to contribute something.:D

Seriously though, most expat sites have one:rolleyes:

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 18:39
Originally posted by trebor
[BOpportunities to support Russian Social Welfare Efforts
[/B]

Yes! This is a great idea!

Ghost
09-12-2004, 18:40
Originally posted by trebor
That's descrimination. How can you exclude Russians in their own country?
Frankly speaking if you have a reasonable complaint you should be able to defend it and if your complaint is not reasonable call your MUM!

What virtual country would that be?

All I'm saying, and others have said before, is that occasionally Expats like to vent about something related to Russia. When they do, immediately Russians or the defenders of them leap to the defense and begin an argument - usually with "go back to your own country" or "if you don't like it, leave" commentary.

kak
09-12-2004, 18:47
Originally posted by trebor

Perhaps Kak can find enough time after posting his cartoons to contribute something.:D



Man, i try to contribute here the best i can by helping people or make them smile with my cartoons ;) I'm not going to launch a hi intelectual debate about Russia on english here due to the fact that my english is **** but as i said before here i have created a little expat brother in french some month ago
So yeah maybe you think i do not post to much interesting stuff here but when you'll be able to understand french come there: www.vivreenrussie.com/forum ;)

btw i wonder in which way you are a better member/you better contribute than me here :p

trebor
09-12-2004, 18:51
I take your point Ghost but the site IS based in Moscow and it just seems strange to me if you are a guest in someone elses country you would alienate them by excluding them.

trebor
09-12-2004, 18:52
Originally posted by kak
Man, i try to contribute here the best i can by helping people or make them smile with my cartoons ;) I'm not going to launch a hi intelectual debate about Russia on english here due to the fact that my english is **** but as i said before here i have created a little expat brother in french some month ago
So yeah maybe you think i do not post to much interesting stuff here but when you'll be able to understand french come there: www.vivreenrussie.com/forum ;)

btw i wonder in which way you are a better member/you better contribute than me here :p

KAK
you are easier to wind up than a micky mouse watch!!!:agree:

kak
09-12-2004, 18:53
Originally posted by trebor
the site IS based in Moscow

:rolleyes: you don't get it do you?
virtual, internet...etc.

kak
09-12-2004, 18:55
Originally posted by trebor
KAK
you are easier to wind up than a micky mouse watch!!!:agree:

Trebor, did you ever notice than a lot of people here are using this stuff when you are posting on expat.ru??
:p

trebor
09-12-2004, 18:56
Okay, lets get back on track.

SO HOW ABOUT IT MODERATORS? WE'RE ALL SO BUSY TRYING TO MAKE OUR VIRTUAL WORLD SO PERFECT.
WHAT ABOUT THOSE WHO ARE NOT SO LUCKY?

trebor
09-12-2004, 18:58
KAK
I know you find helping the poor and needy boring but perhaps someone else might not.

kak
09-12-2004, 19:03
trebor, make me a favor: ignore me please or try to get to know me better before writing your silly comment on me...or try to read posts... or try to learn french, i guess i'm helping much more people here in Russia than you'll never do.

Halyavshik
09-12-2004, 19:07
I gotta say that I agree with Trebor. Really. What's the point in an Expat only folder ? There's always gonna be someone who disagrees or tells you to 'go home' regardless of nationality, and if your venting is such that Russians can't even hear it, then I think you DO have to assume it's biased nationality-based stereotyping. It is discriminatory. It's exclusion based on nationality.

Furthermore, Russians can offer valuable insight as to the impetus of your frustration. Who better to either explain or commiserate than someone who's grown up here ?

I honestly have to say that if your venting is bad enough that you can't let Russians hear it, then you may be in the wrong place to begin with.

moscowmail
09-12-2004, 19:07
Now now children :)

You are both valuable posters.

Trebor, it is a great idea, so, let me know how the mechanism would work and you got it, simple really. We have wanted to support a or a number of charities as well, again the thought is there and if anyone wants ot grab the bull by the preverbials and come up with how it can work and help us, we will listen, and if good, will implement.

moscowmail
09-12-2004, 19:10
expat only folder.

How about a 'mates' folder of some description, can be a number of them really. Access is granted to groups of people, a list of say 20 people who want there own forum, then they can chat to there hearts content, it will be self moderating, we don't/can't moderate evrything, and by definition the owned folders will have their own rules :)

moscowmail
09-12-2004, 19:13
The 'let off steam folder" restricted access, approved list sorta thing, say what you want, again self moderated.... maybe it could work

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 19:14
Sorry, but that would be an utter disaster, and in fact if that were to happen I'd open another site, pronto.

We need to be more INCLUSIVE, not more EXCLUSIVE. The gossip level in this community is outrageous - reminds me of high school. Folders like that just breed that kind of disease.

Ghost
09-12-2004, 19:15
Originally posted by Halyavshik
I gotta say that I agree with Trebor. Really. What's the point in an Expat only folder ? There's always gonna be someone who disagrees or tells you to 'go home' regardless of nationality, and if your venting is such that Russians can't even hear it, then I think you DO have to assume it's biased nationality-based stereotyping. It is discriminatory. It's exclusion based on nationality.

Furthermore, Russians can offer valuable insight as to the impetus of your frustration. Who better to either explain or commiserate than someone who's grown up here ?

I honestly have to say that if your venting is bad enough that you can't let Russians hear it, then you may be in the wrong place to begin with.

This from the guy who wants cyborgs!

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 19:16
What is the difference between letting off steam and Bardak? Remember school yard? 3 of us fooling around, we ran out of material in 48 hours, the folder was a disgrace, and off it went.

moscowmail
09-12-2004, 19:16
Originally posted by 85StoneWhiteFurball
Sorry, but that would be an utter disaster, and in fact if that were to happen I'd open another site, pronto. We need to be more INCLUSIVE, not more EXCLUSIVE. The gossip level in this community is outrageous - reminds me of high school. Folders like that just breed that kind of disease.

But the need seems to be there.

People want to be able to talk freely, imagine it, a folder where everyone knows each other personally, trusts each other, can ask advice off a group of their peers without getting hassled, threads hijacked etc...

I like it, but hey, i am open to suggestions

DJ Biscuit
09-12-2004, 19:17
But he probably wants Russian made cyborgs.

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 19:18
If it happens, kiss me goodbye, along with all my information. We have PM's for helping each other out in confidence.

Ghost
09-12-2004, 19:18
Originally posted by DJ Biscuit
But he probably wants Russian made cyborgs.

...

moscowmail
09-12-2004, 19:25
Originally posted by 85StoneWhiteFurball
If it happens, kiss me goodbye, along with all my information. We have PM's for helping each other out in confidence.

I agree with the PM thing, but that is to one person, for instance you are one of the best suppliers for information on several topics, but I would like to chat in a folder where I can be honest and open to a group of friends that won't hold it against me, I may be having a bad day, for example:

A week or so ago I was quite stressed with a certain work problem, if i had somewhere I could post vent some steam, then there ya go, a better example was I tried to involve some people from this site, people I don;t know in some purchasing, 2 idiotic (hidden) users, immediatly assumed I couldn't find what I wanted to, I actually have suppliers but wanted ot use this site as a biz communtiy type thingy.

But these two idiots, not brave enough to say anything to me, tried ot poopoo me to someone else, who I respect, well there is a perfect example of not being able to pubilically post.

And if the idiots are reading this, don;t even think of coming to me for what we spoke about, take a loooonnnggg walk of an extremely short cliff.

moscowmail
09-12-2004, 19:26
Anyway, i am out of here, ot a client dinner :) see y'all later

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 19:31
I had the opposite experience - when I need something that I cannot get via PM to someone who I know can help me, it is lurkers who always come to the rescue. The gossip comes from some irregular regulars. And if you start a thread saying "I am having a bad day" in Cafe, as people have done, you will get encouragement - even our worst w**ker in recent times got tons of info for his medical question when he asked nicely. And if a wanker posts - ignore them.

You can always start a Yahoo group www.yahoogroups.com with your little cliques - doing this on the site is misuse of an advertiser paid community resource.

DJ Biscuit
09-12-2004, 19:36
I see nothing wrong with the idea. It's pretty much like a PM with more people involved. You invite who you want, and talk about what you want, intimate and private without interference from people who you don't want knowing about...well whatever it is you want to discuss. No one can get offended that they haven't been asked to join because I suppose unless you get invited you wont know the folder exists, I suppose that is how it would work. Or maybe I haven't understood.

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 19:40
You would know it exists - as it is I am wondering why I can see only 15 threads, say, out of 30 that are supposedly there (and I am including adult folders, to which I have access on another login - nothing's happening there).

This great idea just exacerbates the problem of lack of fresh faces, and reinforces the closed club feeling that keeps many away and drives others out. This is meant to be a resource; advertisers want as many people as possible - not the same people who already know where to see football, get their hair done, etc - to see the ads.

DJ Biscuit
09-12-2004, 19:52
Even if you do know they exist I am sure we are all adult enough not to actaully let it worry us, I mean it's only a forum for god's sake!

As to new people etc, I am sure the existance and continuing growth of new folders is enough of an incentive.

DJ Biscuit
09-12-2004, 19:54
Originally posted by 85StoneWhiteFurball
This great idea just exacerbates the problem of lack of fresh faces, and reinforces the closed club feeling that keeps many away and drives others out. This is meant to be a resource; advertisers want as many people as possible - not the same people who already know where to see football, get their hair done, etc - to see the ads.

There are many OPEN forums for that. This is not simply 'Exchange and Mart' or some classifieds paper, it's a community, and naturally people find friends and form little groups anyway, but not cliques, that's just paranoia.

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 19:54
It ruins the main forum - everyone ****s off into a little corner, and the community then dies off. It's almost there - this would be the final nail in the coffin. I'm not sure that it would not be a bad idea to start all over again after such a death.

DJ Biscuit
09-12-2004, 19:55
Originally posted by 85StoneWhiteFurball
community then dies off. It's almost there - this would be the final nail in the coffin.

Evidence?

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 19:56
Fine. Form your little groups - and take them elsewhere. Use your time here to really build a community - or go off into your little group and worry about your little group - off the main advertiser sponsored site.

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 19:58
Originally posted by DJ Biscuit
Evidence?

Hijacked threads, complaints, domination of every thread by the same people, hostility to any suggestion to be inclusive (remember my 2 post experiment), regulars getting fed up and moving on.

DJ Biscuit
09-12-2004, 20:01
No, sorry not buying into that.

And in the spirit of your suspicions, I am not going to discuss this any more, it's daft.

Over and out.

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 20:02
I no longer want to answer information questions in public, where certain inadequate individuals hijack every thread and waste my time. I also don't want to make my knowledge available to everyone, because sometimes (schmuck with the transformer - do you hear me?) all I get is more and more requests because some moron cannot read what I posted the first time and needs it spoon fed.

Therefore, I want to open a separate Information folder, which is by invite only - I either have to know you or you have to PM me and let me know what you want to ask. I'll approve or decline new users at 08.30 and 22.00 each day, and you'll get your info within 24 hours.

How does that sound?

pengwn9
09-12-2004, 20:21
Over 5,000 registered users on Expat.ru and only about 10 people involved in 12 pages of this debate, and no two of them agree with each other....

A decisive "ok, well maybe, it might work, but we're not sure, it's an idea with merit, there could be a use...."

So, ya gonna make the folder or not? Huh??

trebor
09-12-2004, 20:31
Do people realy want a folder with only their invited friends in there? What are you all going to do in there, sit around and pat each other on the back and agree with each other all day long?
It wont work, you'll get bored with it!
Get a life! I have seen a few other expat sites and i have never come accross one that is so self absorbed as this one!
I thought Moscow was one of the most exciting cities in the world?
You'd never think it would you?:o

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 20:38
Originally posted by trebor
Get a life! I have seen a few other expat sites and i have never come accross one that is so self absorbed as this one!


You got it! And in case anyone is too self absorbed to realise it, my request for my own folder is purely satirical in nature. This site has gotten a lot better, but we do not give people the welcome I got when I used the Budapest expat site to find tobacco back when I was a smoker - now that was a hard question, I was a mere tourist and made that clear in my post - and I got an answer in 30 minutes if that. No crap, no teasing, no nonsense, no lengthy hijacked thread - just 2 or 3 tobacconist shops. Here, well, and I am going to brag because I earned that right - unless I happen to be on and know the answer, or am free to look it up, someone asking that question would probably get an answer like "why don't you quit smoking, lardarse" or "this is an expat site - why do you need tobacco for a 3 day weekend - just bring it from home" or "here is a pic of a great pipe (shaped like an arse or a willy, of course).

J.D.
09-12-2004, 20:56
Think about it. What is a vent folder for? Venting obviously but what else? The venter probably doesn't want a repy other than maybe an "I understand because I'm an expat too." He probably doesn't want a logical answer. He certainly doesn't want a defensive or even antagonistic answer.
THAT is legitamate reasoning for an expat vent folder.
The only question is, who gets access to it?

85StoneWhiteFurball
09-12-2004, 22:17
Then again, maybe this is not such a bad idea. The self absorbed crowd will go off into their little corner (and probably eventually disintegrate) while those of us who are open minded can try to attract like minded individuals into a less tense atmosphere with fewer hijacked threads, and fewer private jokes (and grievances) aired in public etc.

I will not participate in any private so called friends folder (unless it is in the Hebrew language - if anyone speaks same pls contact me - that should be kept in private only because Hebrew characters look like gibberish if you do not have the right encoding :)). Expat only folder - neither here nor there - count me in for a try anyway.

I am also out of the banter business once and for all. I am going to try my 2 post rule (if that) other than answers to requests in Information, and I believe others should do the same. If I want to screw around, I'll do it in Bardak, under my special, mean, idiotic Bardak login, and I hope someone will join me there and keep it alive.

I am out of material for Cafe, and in any case I have gotten a lot from contacts with people who don't mess around in there. The couple of real friends of mine from among the site regulars do not need my on-site banter either; they know that if I see there is anything I can do for them - whether it's encouragement on a bad day or some sort of technical or shopping advice, they'll get it from me in private, and fast - sometimes without even asking.

To each his own - but let's make sure the open forums not only survive, but also grow. 4000 is a nice number of members, but there are really only 50 voices out there, and I'd like to hear some new ones for a change. Hopefully, I can do it on this site; if not, oh, well - life goes on and this is not real life anyway.

J.D.
09-12-2004, 22:28
Originally posted by 85StoneWhiteFurball
those of us who are open minded can try to attract like minded individuals . . .
I will not participate in any private folder

hmmm . . .


Maybe we should just call this Len's Site, for expats and non-expats from all countries. No folders just one big happy family. And no thread titles, wouldn't want to exclude anybody from a thread and it will also solve the hijacking problem.

Ghost
09-12-2004, 22:45
I now regret having started this thread.

am4rw
09-12-2004, 23:22
Originally posted by Sparafucile
I think "Frugal Ex-Pat" is a good idea. There is a general view about foreigners in Moscow (largely perpetuated by Russians, I must say...) that not only do they have unlimited amounts of money....

.... but also that they are clinical idiots, and can be sold complete rubbish for top prices entirely fairly.


I thought this view was mostly perpetuated by foreigners who are clinical idiots ...

However, a folder for finding bargains in one of the world's most expensive cities is the best thing I've read on this thread. There's another similar thread that Penguin9 started on cheap restaurants. Unless you just enjoy spending money to show off, these are great topics.

As to an "expats only" folder, I'll volunteer to moderate. Any posts off topic (non-whiney, non-Russian-bashing, non-how-great-we-who-are-not-Russians-are) will be summarily deleted. If we're going to have such a folder, let's keep it pure.

:agree: :queen: :rules: :alien:

Sadie
09-12-2004, 23:38
Originally posted by J.D.
What is a vent folder for? Venting obviously but what else? .. He probably doesn't want a logical answer. He certainly doesn't want a defensive or even antagonistic answer.
THAT is legitamate reasoning for an expat vent folder.
what u wrote about is a legitimate reasoning for turning to a therapeutist :p

Sunstorm
10-12-2004, 00:32
Originally posted by J.D.
Think about it. What is a vent folder for? Venting obviously but what else? The venter probably doesn't want a repy other than maybe an "I understand because I'm an expat too." He probably doesn't want a logical answer. He certainly doesn't want a defensive or even antagonistic answer.
THAT is legitamate reasoning for an expat vent folder.
The only question is, who gets access to it?

Although it all sounds more than ridiculous, it seems to be true.

SO, FOR CHRISTSAKE!!

Create already this ELITNY folder for those who wants to be an elitny expat (i.e. - non-russian)

p.s. will someone from Kazakhstan or Belorussia get an access there? provided he is speaking and writing English, of course?

am4rw
10-12-2004, 00:40
Originally posted by Sunstorm
p.s. will someone from Kazakhstan or Belorussia get an access there? provided he is speaking and writing English, of course?

How about Russians living in Britain or the US? Germans living in Japan? Saudis living in Afganistan? Chechens?

J.D.
10-12-2004, 06:48
Sadie and Sunstorm both just illustrated my point. If an expat, lets make that 'a foreigner' is venting about Russia a Russian cannot help but take it personally. Someone who is venting certainly doesn't want an angry response "FINE! Go have your elitist folder." and probably not even a reasonable response "You should find a good therapist.".

Ned Kelly
10-12-2004, 07:37
jd, there's a difference between churlishly defending stupidity and explaining why something is as it is or voicing a different opinion. the latter really is one of the beauties of this site.

i don't really understand this notion of "venting" anyway, it seems more like carping whingeing and is generally really boring to read - as bad or worse than any defensive responses it might provoke.

Sadie
10-12-2004, 09:07
Venting ventin venting I generally think that OPENED FORUMS are not really the right place for soul strip-tease. It doesnt necessarily apply to discussing Russia, okay? I love my country, no, I would say my Motherland lays within the borders of MKAD, but I amd not blind and deaf.

Once again if you post about your soul wounds on Internet expect to get opposite opinion, sometimes straightforward, sometimes too straightfoward, coz there will always be people, say like me, who are aint always courteous and delicate in what they say simple. And then do not get dissapointed and try to hide in a shell or separate folder Inet was a wrong place in the first place. Thats why I said if you want to find support and like you said aint looking for a logical answer, but certainly don't want a defensive or even antagonistic answer then you do need a friend or a therapist. Hope I am clearer this time.

85StoneWhiteFurball
10-12-2004, 09:12
Sadie, there have been times when decent people posted, in an open forum, that they were not feeling up to par, and other decent people gave them support. Of course, a silly moron or two barfed out some stupidity, but especially now, with the cretin population much reduced if not eradicated, people do get support here. There was one such thread where both you and I participated in our (very different) nice ways, if I remember correctly.

Sadie
10-12-2004, 09:21
being unjustified rude is one thing, being argumentative and logical in what you say - another thing. sometimes here ppl simply dont want to hear any opposite opinion - it's a temptation to tease em i personally cant resist ;):p

and again, opened forum is a wrong place to heal you soul pain (whatever you say) unless you wanna do it with shock therapy :p

ciao :p

moscowmail
10-12-2004, 09:36
This is soooo funny, Ghost; I am rating this thread 5 star, well done matey.

So from this I think we have decided at least a frugal folder should be opened, give that man a beer, so let it be.

We have decided that Polar will not reply any more... well just one more time :)

No expat folder for venting, but maybe a venting folder... lets see how the other folder goes first :)

Ermm, what else, oh yeah, mods, they are all British cliquey fools... oh except for the Americans, oh yeah and the Canadian... oh yeah... but apart from that what have the Romans ever done for us... :)

Ghost and SFJ should be considered for mods, whether they like it or not..

Havy should have been eaten by a cyborg Mod by now

Len is a dictator who can't slpelppll and can't do gramma ;)

Ermm, what else...

Oh yeah, people here actually care about the site, wow, I am impressed, it seems the main reason for this sites existence is starting to come through.... charitable, caring people, that is people, not expats, but people, all of us....

"There but for the grace of god goes I" lets help those we can eh.

Sunstorm
10-12-2004, 09:44
Originally posted by J.D.
Sadie and Sunstorm both just illustrated my point. If an expat, lets make that 'a foreigner' is venting about Russia a Russian cannot help but take it personally. Someone who is venting certainly doesn't want an angry response "FINE! Go have your elitist folder." and probably not even a reasonable response "You should find a good therapist.".


J.D., what the hell?? don't try to give my posts a meaning they don't have!
Neither I am taking it all personally, nor am I angry about all this. From the very beginning I have supported this idea, because this
a) is an expat site,
b) is free internet world (i.e. OK if someone wants to ghetto themselves into a restricted folder)
c)is pretty funny and therefore I am having fun.
:D :D

Ghost
10-12-2004, 09:55
Originally posted by moscowmail
This is soooo funny, Ghost; I am rating this thread 5 star, well done matey.


At least I provided entertainment for the day. :) That's mo' betta!

Kseniya
10-12-2004, 10:39
I like this site!!! I love you ppl!!! :) and I want this site to be betta if you all want so :cool:

plastique
10-12-2004, 10:39
Originally posted by trebor
......................and i've got another good idea:p
Instead of expats continualy bitching and moaning and thinking about themselves, how about a giving back folder:

Opportunities to support Russian Social Welfare Efforts
(Overviews of worthwhile organizations to which expats can contribute their time and support to help the poor and needy)

Perhaps Kak can find enough time after posting his cartoons to contribute something.:D

Seriously though, most expat sites have one:rolleyes:

two cents time:

WHAT THE HELL HAVE I BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST MONTH!!!!

Kshisya
10-12-2004, 16:39
:rolleyes: well if you guys think it is really needed you go for it :D however, I still can't get that idea as if you go through the threads and folders you could see that actually expats' comments are in the vast majority and actually dominate on the site as they should:D

i'd say that expat comments get 70% if not more (comparing to the "Russian ones") of this virtual space.

As for venting on what you do not like bout here - I believe that if not remarks from local ppl those venting wouldn't be that exciting for ones who needs it and your threads on that would be just one boring hell :p

I think the idea is actually pretty chauvinistic but do enjoy it if it works out :D

Brezhnev L.I.
10-12-2004, 18:58
Dont you worry, Kshisya. Dear Comrade KGB Chief assured me that our people keep everything under control.

plastique
10-12-2004, 23:02
The mods DPG and Boscoe are the most fab and have the biggest wi*lies ever! They are the best and should never be questioned. For those of you who ever question them you can just shove off. DJB has a little weenie but he is ok.

DJ Biscuit
11-12-2004, 01:57
My god! I don't know how she found out but it's true, apart from the bit about me being okay!

Halyavshik
11-12-2004, 05:19
Originally posted by DJ Biscuit
My god! I don't know how she found out

It's kinda common knowledge, Biscuit. My grandmother and I were discussing it yesterday. Not to worry, of course; I'm hung like a flea.

trebor
11-12-2004, 10:31
Originally posted by plastique
two cents time:

WHAT THE HELL HAVE I BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST MONTH!!!!

I give up plastique!
WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST MONTH?

plastique
11-12-2004, 10:47
ogranizing the hell out of toys for tots hello! getting people motivated here to help with charity! So don't blanket us all and say no one is doing anything because a lot of people are helping.

plastique
11-12-2004, 10:48
Originally posted by plastique
The mods DPG and Boscoe are the most fab and have the biggest wi*lies ever! They are the best and should never be questioned. For those of you who ever question them you can just shove off. DJB has a little weenie but he is ok.

reason #535 why not to post when you are drunk and Boscoe is whispering into your ear....

veejay
11-12-2004, 11:13
Originally posted by plastique
reason #535 why not to post when you are drunk and Boscoe is whispering into your ear....

LOL!!!

:-)

Braders
11-12-2004, 12:19
Originally posted by plastique
reason #535 why not to post when you are drunk and Boscoe is whispering into your ear....

You let him get that close to you? Brave girl ;)

Billie Bob
11-12-2004, 12:19
my two cents.

first of all, there are two such threads on the topic, and as moderators love to move threads around, would this not fit into the technical or suggestion folder?

getting rid of old polls, are not worth it. I do agree however the spit or swallow polls are a bit too much, but perhaps, there can be a function, for the poster to have an option "would you like to delete this poll after 2 months" or maybe have the moderators come back and ask, would you want us to delete this poll to the creator of the poll?

private forums for expats, if they do exists, what for? BS! its enough that there are such folders in existance, where folders were created to worship the guy who created the folder.

more moderator varieties, sounds good, that is, international... sounds great.

<<More unilateral inforcement of rules (which would be easier with a few more mods - see request 5). Poor DPG runs around like a madman trying to police the folders. But some threads have blatant profanity and some are all edited. Some folks get banned for something, others don't. >>

yes, so true... some are praised others are put away.

Some start new topic threads, then some starts the same new topic thread again, and again.

Also, a suggestion, perhaps all posted topics can blend into one folder first, that is, all new posted topics, in all folders enter one folder, this way, people can see if that topic is interesting to respond too from that folder, when they go to that new topic, they enter that new thread in that folder.

does that make sense? (sounds like abbot and costello), The point is, have all new topics from all folders enter one folder. This way one doesn't have to hunt around all folders to see what is interesting or not to post reply.

if anyone wants me to explain it better, then pm me... otherwise I hope I made some sense.

also, no more people hidden options, who is logged in, is seen and shown, or is it not worth it?

Braders
11-12-2004, 12:49
Originally posted by Billie Bob
my two cents.

getting rid of old polls, are not worth it. I do agree however the spit or swallow polls are a bit too much, but perhaps, there can be a function, for the poster to have an option "would you like to delete this poll after 2 months" or maybe have the moderators come back and ask, would you want us to delete this poll to the creator of the poll?

This as far as i am aware can only be done if the vBulletin software supports it, your 2nd point is an option.


private forums for expats, if they do exists, what for? BS! its enough that there are such folders in existance, where folders were created to worship the guy who created the folder.

No such folder exists for expats, there use to be folders but they died a death. There are only folders for Admin & Mods.


more moderator varieties, sounds good, that is, international... sounds great.

Currently there are British & American mods, a Russian mod is a possibilty, however to moderate any of the English language forums they would have to be seriously fluent in English.


<<More unilateral inforcement of rules (which would be easier with a few more mods - see request 5). Poor DPG runs around like a madman trying to police the folders. But some threads have blatant profanity and some are all edited. Some folks get banned for something, others don't. >>

yes, so true... some are praised others are put away.

I agree with this and it's something we are tightening up on, and it has happened in the past, i wouldn't go as far to say they are praised, just currently ignored.


Some start new topic threads, then some starts the same new topic thread again, and again.

We are always trying to point new members or exisiting members in the direction of the 'search' facility, which is a little Red tab in the top right corner of their screen, there's not much else we can do apart from post a link ourselves and ask said member to use the facility, we could delete simple questions that have been asked 100's of times, most forums do!

Ben
11-12-2004, 14:48
Originally posted by Billie Bob
also, no more people hidden options, who is logged in, is seen and shown, or is it not worth it? Not likely, BB, even some MODERATORS aka ADMINISTRATORS use it, not to menton yourself:) Why did you choose to be invisible, BB?:)

plastique
12-12-2004, 10:30
Originally posted by DJ Biscuit
My god! I don't know how she found out but it's true, apart from the bit about me being okay!

I would like to apologize to DJB...He has a big wi*lie i am sure...those words were the words of Boscoe...

trebor
12-12-2004, 11:17
Originally posted by plastique
ogranizing the hell out of toys for tots hello! getting people motivated here to help with charity! So don't blanket us all and say no one is doing anything because a lot of people are helping.

Okay plastique. Keep your nickers on!!:eek: :shame:

85StoneWhiteFurball
12-12-2004, 13:30
Originally posted by plastique
ogranizing the hell out of toys for tots hello! getting people motivated here to help with charity! So don't blanket us all and say no one is doing anything because a lot of people are helping.

Yes, and you have been doing a great job! If anything, now is the perfect time to open this folder so that, using your work for Toys for Tots as an example, we can motivate ourselves to be involved with projects like this all year round from now on.

plastique
12-12-2004, 15:00
Originally posted by trebor
Okay plastique. Keep your nickers on!!:eek: :shame:

my knickers are on...have you seen some of the horn dogs in this place!!! can you imagine if i was running around with them off!!!


i guess it just seemed as if you were saying no one here is doing anything to help...and if you notice the folder is open and now the complaint is "well everyone is only focusing on kids" GOOD LORD!

I am one person and can only do so much.

The Marines will be helping orphans and refugees so NEW toys, cash and clothes of all sizes are being taken in this effort..have i covered the bases enough now?

85StoneWhiteFurball
13-12-2004, 17:28
Originally posted by Ghost
1. Close all polls over 2 months old. )

This problem can be solved with a little bit of consideration on the part of the poll starter. There is an option regarding how long you want the poll to run. I think it would not be too hard if posters set it to no more than 60 days, or less if the poll has some sort of time value (ie will Fidel Castro die before 01.01.2005 should be set to 17 days if posted today)*. This software, while not perfect, has plenty of user accessible, if not user friendly, features, that can make the board a more efficient and less cluttered forum.


*Please note that certain polls, such as any having to do with Arsenal winning any sort of championship, should be set by default to 1 day or less. Any poll where the answer is obvious really should be limited as much as possible.

miciolo
16-12-2004, 00:47
Originally posted by Ghost
[B]Suggestions to make this forum mo' betta. Just my personal opinion. Feel free to add or subtract.

4. Private forum for Expats only. This should allow us to vent all we want without having to curb our commentary JUST BECAUSE some Russians feel like we're bashing all that is their essence. It's needed, admit it.


, , . , - ? , ?

Braders
16-12-2004, 01:08
Originally posted by miciolo
, , . , - ? , ?

English only please, note the Avatar!

miciolo
16-12-2004, 18:36
Originally posted by miciolo
, , . , - ? , ?

ok, here we go in english then as requested:

well, well, are you going to check passports when registering? maybe we should also give you a key to the appartment where money is kept?

PS. For those expats who did not understand the meaning of the previous sentence, ask your russian friends or read Ilf and Petrov.

Brezhnev L.I.
16-12-2004, 18:47
Originally posted by miciolo
ok, here we go in english then as requested:

well, well, are you going to check passports when registering? maybe we should also give you a key to the appartment where money is kept?

PS. For those expats who did not understand the meaning of the previous sentence, ask your russian friends or read Ilf and Petrov.

I thought I was the biggest w*****r here, but there is always somebody bigger than you.

miciolo
16-12-2004, 19:35
Originally posted by Brezhnev L.I.
I thought I was the biggest ******here, but there is always somebody bigger than you.

That's what happens when things slow down and there is nothing to do in the office... sigh.....

Pooty Poot
17-12-2004, 10:01
Originally posted by Brezhnev L.I.
I thought I was the biggest w*****r here, but there is always somebody bigger than you.

Lenny B,

This is a one-horse town, Comrade. Two Soviet/Russian leaders is one too many. Get back in the grave. I'm in charge here, now.

Proletariat workers unite and all that jazz,
Vova

Brezhnev L.I.
17-12-2004, 23:42
Originally posted by Pooty Poot
Lenny B,

This is a one-horse town, Comrade. Two Soviet/Russian leaders is one too many. Get back in the grave. I'm in charge here, now.

Proletariat workers unite and all that jazz,
Vova

Calm down, buddy. You walked under a table without bending your head when I was a top dog.
There are no problems, only challenges. My agenda is to show the people the benefits of Communist Society and charms of senile people.
And, by the way, my birthday is on Sunday. What about the people honour their favourite leader with a new avatar? My chest is wide enough for it.

Love

Leva

85StoneWhiteFurball
17-12-2004, 23:45
Originally posted by Brezhnev L.I.
And, by the way, my birthday is on Sunday. What about the people honour their favourite leader with a new avatar? My chest is wide enough for it.

Love

Leva

We'll honour your birthday by cutting you a new ****hole for the way you messed up this country and all of the other parts of the former USSR. Most of the polities in question, especially this one, have not fully recovered from your horrendous mismanagement :(.

Brezhnev L.I.
17-12-2004, 23:51
Originally posted by 85StoneWhiteFurball
We'll honour your birthday by cutting you a new ****hole for the way you messed up this country and all of the other parts of the former USSR. Most of the polities in question, especially this one, have not fully recovered from your horrendous mismanagement :(.

is it about Afganistan or Food Programme?

Brezhnev L.I.
17-12-2004, 23:56
New avatar !!!!!!!!!!!!!

85StoneWhiteFurball
18-12-2004, 00:26
Originally posted by Brezhnev L.I.
is it about Afganistan or Food Programme?

It is about zastoi :(!

Brezhnev L.I.
18-12-2004, 00:32
I dont understand what are you talking about.
I had this wonderful masseur - no zastoy remembering.

You all owe me a new avatar.

Ilyich

85StoneWhiteFurball
18-12-2004, 00:36
Sadly, the avatar which I would suggest would not be acceptable in this part of the Site. I take it you do remember your native language, which you mangled just as badly as you mangled the economy - as an avatar, think of a picture of something which begins with or perhaps .

Brezhnev L.I.
18-12-2004, 00:40

85StoneWhiteFurball
18-12-2004, 00:41
You are truly illiterate as well as senile. I said ONE letter or the OTHER - not both. Please report back to your grave immediately.

Brezhnev L.I.
18-12-2004, 00:45
Originally posted by 85StoneWhiteFurball
You are truly illiterate as well as senile. I said ONE letter or the OTHER - not both. Please report back to your grave immediately.

In my hey days I exchanged a few nasty words with imperialists. But I didn't make it public. Fancy starting a new thread or doing it via PM?

Leva

85StoneWhiteFurball
18-12-2004, 00:48
In Bardak, there is a Ugandan fellow whom you may know quite well because he resides a level or so down from you in the Hades Convalescent and Retirement Home. Start a thread in Bardak, and Mr Amin will certainly exchange a few words with you. Considering that his mind is soft due to untreated syphilis, and yours is soft due to age, the 2 of you would have a very good time.

Brezhnev L.I.
18-12-2004, 00:50
Originally posted by 85StoneWhiteFurball
In Bardak, there is a Ugandan fellow whom you may know quite well because he resides a level or so down from you in the Hades Convalescent and Retirement Home. Start a thread in Bardak, and Mr Amin will certainly exchange a few words with you. Considering that his mind is soft due to untreated syphilis, and yours is soft due to age, the 2 of you would have a very good time.

Wait till I become a SENIOR member