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DDT
20-07-2009, 13:30
Obama went to Pakistan in 1981, staying 3 weeks...........FACT! (if we can believe Obama)

In 1981 US Citizens were NOT ALLOWED to travel to Pakistan!......SO STATED BY MANY BUT UNPROVEN!


What is known for sure is that there was a travel advisory for pakistan in 1981
State Department Travel Advisory Pakistan 1981

“Before traveling to Pakistan, American Citizens should be aware of the following updated visa requirements: 30 day visas are available at Pakistani airports for tourists only. As these visas are rarely extended beyond the 30 day time per visa. Tourists planning to stay longer should secure visas before coming to Pakistan. Any traveler coming into Pakistan overland from India must repeat must have a valid visa, as 30 day visas are not repeat not issued at the overland border crossing point at Wagha.”

US State Department Travel Advisory for Pakistan in 1981, No. 81-33A

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Pakistan was under martial law in 1981 and certain undesirables… Christians, Jews, and Americans… were prohibited from entering the country. Non Muslims were not welcome unless they had a diplomatic reason and embassy behing their visit. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” or "Travel Advisory" list, it is still being argued about which.

Of the 30 day Visas, one source has said that the reality was something else.
"I attempted to travel to Pakistan in 1981 twice. The 30 day visas were not available to just everyone. They were only issued the press and those with and inside connection with lots of bribe money. No way some american college student got in with a US passport if a medical specialist couldn’t. ..... Pakistani authorities at the airport gave those “30 day visa’s” out at their discretion. At that time they only gave them to press, diplomats and their “guests”, and direct relatives only. They were very leary of any American so very few got visa’s.... "




In 1981 Pakistan, there was Martial law, Civil Unrest, USA Embassy attacked, Americans killed.




So, here are the riddles:

How did Obama manage to travel to Pakistan?

Why did Obama go to Pakistan in the midst of civil war and martial law?

Why won't Obama show his Passport?

moscow77
20-07-2009, 14:33
i dont care.

FatAndy
20-07-2009, 19:03
2 DDT:

My suggestions are very simple:

How did Obama manage to travel to Pakistan? - with the help of universal instrument. Don't forget Russian proverb - "если нельзя, но очень хочется, то можно". ;)

Why did Obama go to Pakistan in the midst of civil war and martial law? - maybe his grandmother asked? Or maybe by Order of Motherland? ;) "...если Родина скажет - "надо!", комсомол ответит - "есть!"

Why won't Obama show his Passport? - because of Very Special Rules.

DDT
20-07-2009, 21:26
Well, it actually IS very important!

From what i have been able to find out the "travel Ban" on Americans travelling to Pakistan was implemented from the Pakistani side and not the US State Department.

So there are only three possibilities here.
Obama either used:
1) A US passport (but Americans were not accepted into Pakistan then)
2) A British passport
3) An Indonesian passport


If he were traveling on a British passport, that would be proof that he was born in Kenya.

If he used an Indonesian passport, that would imply that he relinquished whichever citizenship he had held, British or American, prior to being adopted in 1967 by his Indonesian step-father, Mr Soetoro.

This is likely because Obama was registered as an Indonesian national and a Muslim at his primary school.

It maybe still possible that he used an American passport if showed that he was a Muslim at the border and/or, of course bribed an official.

Andy B
21-07-2009, 05:26
I have a British Passport... is that proof that I was born in Kenya?

DDT
21-07-2009, 10:37
I have a British Passport... is that proof that I was born in Kenya?
Not unless you were born in Kenya in 1961 and your father was a Kenyan national as Obama's father was. If Obama was born in Kenya as his paternal grandmother said he was, then he could have had a British passport as his father was Kenyan and Kenya was part of the British Empire.

If you have not been following this case I suggest you read up on it somewhere else so you don't waste my time asking questions that you should already know the answer to. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind answering questions from serious enquirers, but I do mind impertinence.

Andy B
21-07-2009, 10:50
DDT you are continuously wasting my time as I (and the team) have to moderate your drivel!

DDT
21-07-2009, 11:06
Go read a book before you post on this thread! If you come back here you had better be wearing your water-wings because this information is over your head.

Carbo
21-07-2009, 11:29
Where is the proof that Americans weren't welcome? Where does it say that it was impossible to get in? There are plenty of places to which the US State department warns against travelling. Doesn't mean people can't go.

Even the quote you posted said it was possible to get in.

This is a non-issue.

Fcuking pleb.

Carbo
21-07-2009, 11:40
DDT you are continuously wasting my time as I (and the team) have to moderate your drivel!
I feel your pain.

DDT
21-07-2009, 13:05
Where is the proof that Americans weren't welcome? Where does it say that it was impossible to get in? There are plenty of places to which the US State department warns against travelling. Doesn't mean people can't go.

Even the quote you posted said it was possible to get in.

This is a non-issue.

Fcuking pleb.

Listen you "Fcuking pleb" there is no proof because I'm not the state department, Obama Is. And i never said there was proof that is was impossible to get in.

As far as Americans being unwelcome in Pakistan at that time, that's not too hard to find out about. Ask seasoned travellers from that period. If they were welcome in Pakistan back then they would have been bombing the US embassy then would they?

Obama has never shown his passport and refuses to even to this day.
He has never shown what hospital he was born in and refuses still to this day.

So far he has claimed he was born in two different hospitals and his sister also has said he was born in 2 different hospitals at 2 different times.

His grandmother is on record saying that Obama was born in Kenya!

Now, you tell me. If it was Bush....how much press would we be getting on this now in order to clear this up?

The trouble is, that we have guys like you, a, what was was it again? Oh yeah a "Fcuking pleb" Who thinks that the USA should adopt the carbo version of the US Constitution and let anyone run for office, and twurps like AndyB who only moderate MY posts while leaving all your trash and name calling unedited because he is in the tank for Obama and an Obama baby himself .

This is why we can never get to the bottom of this.

Carbo
21-07-2009, 13:27
Listen you "Fcuking pleb" there is no proof because I'm not the state department, Obama Is. And i never said there was proof that is was impossible to get in.

As far as Americans being unwelcome in Pakistan at that time, that's not too hard to find out about. Ask seasoned travellers from that period. If they were welcome in Pakistan back then they would have been bombing the US embassy then would they?

Obama has never shown his passport and refuses to even to this day.
He has never shown what hospital he was born in and refuses still to this day.

So far he has claimed he was born in two different hospitals and his sister also has said he was born in 2 different hospitals at 2 different times.

His grandmother is on record saying that Obama was born in Kenya!

Now, you tell me. If it was Bush....how much press would we be getting on this now in order to clear this up?

The trouble is, that we have guys like you, a, what was was it again? Oh yeah a "Fcuking pleb" Who thinks that the USA should adopt the carbo version of the US Constitution and let anyone run for office, and twurps like AndyB who only moderate MY posts while leaving all your trash and name calling unedited because he is in the tank for Obama and an Obama baby himself .

This is why we can never get to the bottom of this.
DDT, Bush, for the first six years of his presidency, benefited from the most obsequious press since the Kennedy Administration. So the answer to your question is 'not much, and what there was would be shouted down'.

Second, just take a step back and look at yourself and your conduct. You're acting like a hysterical supermodel whose napkin in first class has been folded the wrong way by the stewardess, stamping your feet and kicking and screaming and generally being an insufferabley hysterical demagogue about a non-story. I know the far right in America has eschewed reasonable, fact-based debate for this kind of spoiled child, "I want my ice cream now, mommy," tone, but it really is unbecoming and benefits your cause not a bit.

What I suspect of course, is that your cause is based on the very flimsiest of arguments, replete with hearsay, tenuous linkage, and lacking in logic, and therefore needs shouting and screaming to make up for the lack of truth and logic. This may be because of your rudimentary grasp of the English language and your general tank-headed mind, but I suspect it’s because the arguments that you’re parroting here are based not in reality but on the astroturf efforts of the far-right to get rid of Obama. They helped create and have assiduously fertilized this wing-nut, hysterical section of American society, in exactly the same manner in which the NKVD and then KGB did with American leftists, and like the Soviets, these large groups know that their useful fools will be suckered into believing anything that they're peddling for the benefit the large corporations and lobbyists they ultimately represent. No such thing as environment change? You betcha. Obama satan? Got it! Smoking not really that bad? Can I call you Joe? Taxes on the rich too high? We hockey moms wanna pay more! Believe that insurance companies should be able to continue price gouging and that poor people don’t deserve healthcare? I can see Russia from my house.

Obama has provided his certificate of live birth, which states the hospital of his birth, and is impossible to get if one was born outside Hawaii. Further, there is plenty of strong (albeit circumstantial) evidence to corroborate this.

He doesn’t want to go further, because to do so would be to give your unfounded yet vicious attack some credence, and then, whether he was proved to be natural born or not, his image would be tarnished in some people’s minds. This is the real aim of this movement, not to be proved right, but to tarnish: just like all the Clinton Whitewater, and killing his colleague over a property deal was a pack of lies (as the journalist who made many of the accusations admitted), it completely tainted Clinton’s entire presidency.

Accuse a celebrity of being a rapist, make the trial public, and guilty or not, some people will always associate him with that.

But you will never be satisfied, no matter what Obama produces, because you can't see beyond your red-faced, sweaty hysteria, and you’re a useful-fool-sucker for anything these guys feed you.

Russian Lad
21-07-2009, 13:36
Clinton Whitewater, and killing his colleague over a property deal was a pack of lies (as the journalist who made many of the accusations admitted), yet completely tainted Clinton’s entire presidency.

I thought his presidency was tainted by him making the Oval Office into the Ovary Office:). I liked the dude, though. He had some brains, at least, Bush was stupid as hell, just a senile cowboy.
DDT, come on, leave the nigga president alone, live with it:).

Carbo
21-07-2009, 13:40
I thought his presidency was tainted by him making the Oval Office into the Ovary Office:). I liked the dude, though. He had some brains, at least, Bush was stupid as hell, just a senile cowboy.
DDT, come on, leave the nigga president alone, live with it:).
Bush wasn't even a cowboy. He was Washington through and through and made up the whole dusty-booted cowboy thing for the beneift of this Texan gubnitorial race and to get to the White House.