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Bels
16-07-2009, 14:23
YOU MUST HAVE A DEGREE TO WORK IN RUSSIA! CHEFS? EFL TEACHERS? ESTATE AGENTS? Diplomas, certificates, knowledge, and years of experience = ZERO ? Perhaps a Disney degree to become an office worker or translator?

QUOTED QUESTION I FOUND: I think it needs to be here. Comments please,and does the below question now apply to teachers, as they used to be exempt from work permit and got an invitation from the school instead. Is it the end of cheap backpacking students on a working holiday break from university or college??

Hi everybody,

hope you can help me with this:

I have been in Moscow for 1.5 years, having a work permit and work visa, all
done via a Russian agent and my company. My renewal comes up in Oct, so my
company and I are starting to prepare for the process.

Now the agency told that "Starting from October 8, 2008 it is required to
provide the notarized translation of the university diploma to obtain
individual work permit for foreign employee".

Let's face it, one doesn't need to have to have a university degree for all
sorts of jobs in order to be successful, or to do the job necessary. And
even if I do, the certificate would be nicely packed somewhere in my home
country and certainly not available here in Moscow.

Can anybody comment on this? Is it true? Why would that be? Does that mean,
from Oct 2008 on, only graduates are allowed to work in Russia? This just
sounds odd to me.

Comments appreciated.
Cheers

Ricky

Gypsy
16-07-2009, 14:26
If the job does not require a degree you do not need one.

Your company just needs to specify this.

leelee
17-07-2009, 17:10
just google fake diplomas, get 1 , scan manipulate, get the result translated and notorized.

bobs your uncle

lee

Mayakovskaya
17-07-2009, 17:19
I read somewhere, in some article...

there's someplace under a bridge in Moscow, where you can pick out of a selection of diplomas...pending what your needs are that day.

Gypsy
17-07-2009, 17:42
I read somewhere, in some article...

there's someplace under a bridge in Moscow, where you can pick out of a selection of diplomas...pending what your needs are that day.

I heard the same. Apparently there are adverts for this all over the metro.

paddyenzo
17-07-2009, 18:28
just google fake diplomas, get 1 , scan manipulate, get the result translated and notorized.

bobs your uncle

lee

mind you, if u have a russian degree, u need to have it legalised at МИД, they check to confirm if the degree is genuine or not... I legalised mine a week ago.

I guess the same goes for a foreign degree, if u have to work in russia...u need to have it Legalised at the ministry of foriegn affairs in ur home country, not so sure about that!

Gypsy
17-07-2009, 18:39
mind you, if u have a russian degree, u need to have it legalised at МИД, they check to confirm if the degree is genuine or not... I legalised mine a week ago.

I guess the same goes for a foreign degree, if u have to work in russia...u need to have it Legalised at the ministry of foriegn affairs in ur home country, not so sure about that!

I would be very surprised if that can legally be done. If the information is contained on a computer it would be illegal for someone who is not you to check it.

captaincaveman
17-07-2009, 20:11
BTW to add to this:

I heard you now need a DNA sample, a notorised copy of your father fathers birth certificate and marriage certificate, 5 years of dental records and letter from all your ex employers to get a work permit for Russia. You then wait in line for 3 days outside an old building nr the Kremlin to get 43 stamps and pay your fee. Once this is done you must wait 6 months for the verdict of the panel to see if your application has been accepted.

You can of course avoid all of this the old way by simply paying a bribe to a woman called Olga who works in the records office or take her out to dinner. Say she looks nice, although she has no teeth and bob is your uncle!!

:idea: :bash:

paddyenzo
17-07-2009, 21:12
I would be very surprised if that can legally be done. If the information is contained on a computer it would be illegal for someone who is not you to check it.

I guess what they do is check with the school to confirm if one studied there... and for those with a russian degree, they probably check one's travel records and with school also. it will be very funny for a person with a business visa (never had a student visa) to hold a russian diploma.

Mayakovskaya
18-07-2009, 02:38
"for those with a russian degree, they probably check one's travel records and with school also."

as well they should...and thank GOD!


it will be very funny for a person with a business visa (never had a student visa) to hold a russian diploma."

(if i understood the premise of the argument) Yes, that would be funny!

captaincaveman
18-07-2009, 14:42
Sorry to any Russian folk on here but I think all countries in the rest of the world should make Russians do the following for a work visa or country visit visa:

1 Sing a song naked in front of a large crowd while standing in a box of snakes
2 Provide DNA from your great grandmothers body from her grave
3 learn all slang phrases in American and British English
4 Learn how to smile
5 Provide character references from at least 5 people you have known for 5 years or more
6 Walk accross hot coals backwards with a fish on your head

Only then you will get your visa and work permit. Not so funny is it! ah ah ah ah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now you now how we feel in your country. :11629:

paddyenzo
18-07-2009, 20:20
Sorry to any Russian folk on here but I think all countries in the rest of the world should make Russians do the follwing for a work visa or country visit visa:

1 Sing a song naked in front of a large crowd while standing in a box of snakes
2 Provide DNA from your great grandmothers body from her grave
3 learn all slang phrases in American and British English
4 Learn how to smile
5 Provide character references from at least 5 people you have known for 5 years or more
6 Walk accross hot coals backwards with a fish on your head

Only then you will get your visa and work permit. Not so funny is it! ah ah ah ah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now you now how we feel in your country. :11629:


now thats funny!!)))

k2file
26-08-2009, 17:09
I do not know if there are any exceptions except for CIS laborers, but when I got my permit it was required even though my degree has nothing at all to do with my work that the permit covers. It was a hassle to get it form storage in the US. When we wrote up the employment contract we specifically lists the position requirements in such a way that only I could qualify, and specifically mentioned no degree would be needed. But after months of waiting, the whole process hit the roadblock of having the original diploma and 2 months were used up getting the document from the US.
As it was explained to me by the officials, Russia only wants smart people and only a degree, to them, is proof of that. I guess they don't believe in the common type of educated fool. The people who brought down the entire world economy were almost all "educated" people, but they were not the type of people who should be running around in anyone's country mucking things up.
A friend who got a visa as an entertainer to preform for a year of concerts and casuals had to have one. They accepted a AA in a completely different field which he never worked in. This is one of the few countries in which a musician can make a living entirely by playing gigs if he is good.

Rhubard Geoff
29-10-2009, 09:39
I have just been refused a work permit for a management position as I have a degree in History!

trebor
29-10-2009, 10:05
Sorry to any Russian folk on here but I think all countries in the rest of the world should make Russians do the following for a work visa or country visit visa:

1 Sing a song naked in front of a large crowd while standing in a box of snakes
2 Provide DNA from your great grandmothers body from her grave
3 learn all slang phrases in American and British English
4 Learn how to smile
5 Provide character references from at least 5 people you have known for 5 years or more
6 Walk accross hot coals backwards with a fish on your head

Only then you will get your visa and work permit. Not so funny is it! ah ah ah ah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now you now how we feel in your country. :11629:

I worked in Barbados 10 years ago and you should have seen the pile of papers i had to submit to get a work permit. All the usual stuff, plus Police records from UK, CV and orignal diplomas/certificates.

Many countries in the world do this. It only feels strange in Russia because they have been so lax for so long.
My guess is that things will get more severe over time, most probably on the tax front too.

trebor
29-10-2009, 10:08
I have just been refused a work permit for a management position as I have a degree in History!

Try back dating your application! :p

SV1973a
29-10-2009, 10:32
I have just been refused a work permit for a management position as I have a degree in History!

When my friends tell me that they have a degree in linguistics, history, economics,... I always reply (jokingly); `interesting, but I have a real degree`.
But seriously, I feel really sorry for you.
I hope you can find a solution.

Kraven Morehead
29-10-2009, 19:10
Sorry to any Russian folk on here but I think all countries in the rest of the world should make Russians do the following for a work visa or country visit visa:

1 Sing a song naked in front of a large crowd while standing in a box of snakes
2 Provide DNA from your great grandmothers body from her grave
3 learn all slang phrases in American and British English
4 Learn how to smile
5 Provide character references from at least 5 people you have known for 5 years or more
6 Walk accross hot coals backwards with a fish on your head

Only then you will get your visa and work permit. Not so funny is it! ah ah ah ah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now you now how we feel in your country. :11629:
They do already, that is why Russia reacts this way.

PapaWhisky
03-11-2009, 01:57
Sorry to any Russian folk on here but I think all countries in the rest of the world should make Russians do the following for a work visa or country visit visa:

1 Sing a song naked in front of a large crowd while standing in a box of snakes
2 Provide DNA from your great grandmothers body from her grave
3 learn all slang phrases in American and British English
4 Learn how to smile
5 Provide character references from at least 5 people you have known for 5 years or more
6 Walk accross hot coals backwards with a fish on your head

Only then you will get your visa and work permit. Not so funny is it! ah ah ah ah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now you now how we feel in your country. :11629:
How about this one: For an L1 visa to the US you will supply a police record from EVERY country that you have lived in for more than 6 months.

That's easy enough if you're waking up from your pool of drool in Manchester. But imagine if you're bona fida oilfield trash and have got lengthy stints in vacation locations like Nigeria and Angola.

Russian visa requirements pale in comparison.

trebor
03-11-2009, 05:11
How about this one: For an L1 visa to the US you will supply a police record from EVERY country that you have lived in for more than 6 months.

That's easy enough if you're waking up from your pool of drool in Manchester. But imagine if you're bona fida oilfield trash and have got lengthy stints in vacation locations like Nigeria and Angola.

Russian visa requirements pale in comparison.

Correct.
I had the oppotunity to apply for a green card back in 1987. I had to apply to 3 countries back then for police records. One was in Africa, another was in the middle east. A bloody nightmare!
Russia is not the only country in the world that has tightened up immigration policy.

opag78
03-11-2009, 11:22
What is about the H1-B - Visa do you also need the police records ? Will the H1-B-Visa always be renewed as long I am on the job and highly qualified ?
If I have a H1-B-Visa then I get another one for my spouse, is that correct ?

How do I obtain actually a police record from Russia (as I am already working here for more than a year).

happiness
21-01-2010, 18:45
If the job does not require a degree you do not need one.

Your company just needs to specify this.

yes its true

nbogaard
22-01-2010, 08:16
BTW to add to this:

I heard you now need a DNA sample, a notorised copy of your father fathers birth certificate and marriage certificate, 5 years of dental records and letter from all your ex employers to get a work permit for Russia. You then wait in line for 3 days outside an old building nr the Kremlin to get 43 stamps and pay your fee. Once this is done you must wait 6 months for the verdict of the panel to see if your application has been accepted.

You can of course avoid all of this the old way by simply paying a bribe to a woman called Olga who works in the records office or take her out to dinner. Say she looks nice, although she has no teeth and bob is your uncle!!

:idea: :bash:
My six year old daughter is in 2nd grade and she told me that in 3rd grade, if you make even one mistake on your paper, the teacher crumples it up and throws it in the bin. When I asked her where she heard that, she told me, "Everone knows it!"

phil
22-01-2010, 12:43
What is about the H1-B - Visa do you also need the police records ? Will the H1-B-Visa always be renewed as long I am on the job and highly qualified ?
If I have a H1-B-Visa then I get another one for my spouse, is that correct ?

How do I obtain actually a police record from Russia (as I am already working here for more than a year).

I've been living and working her on work visas since 2002. I'm currently trying to get my TRP. If I've been in Russia for that length of time, should I get a police record from the UK or Russia. If I need to get one here, where do I go?

mandelstam13
22-01-2010, 16:41
You still need to get it from the UK.

Bels
22-01-2010, 22:35
You still need to get it from the UK.

Crazy as it seems I agree. Let us have a fantasy scenario here, I am British, but I and my family travel the world, I studied in India for several years. When I was 16 I studied in USA until I was twenty. I worked in China untill I was twenty five. I went to Russia and now I need a residency at the age of 30. Where do I get my police check. Britain of course. DUH! No records!! OK You are clean :)

Because you are British or American you must get the police record from the country of your nationality.

tsarski
05-05-2010, 22:37
Crazy as it seems I agree. Let us have a fantasy scenario here, I am British, but I and my family travel the world, I studied in India for several years. When I was 16 I studied in USA until I was twenty. I worked in China untill I was twenty five. I went to Russia and now I need a residency at the age of 30. Where do I get my police check. Britain of course. DUH! No records!! OK You are clean :)

Because you are British or American you must get the police record from the country of your nationality.

I just applied for my TRP in March. I got them really confused as I put down that I have 2 citizenships, British and Australian. As I only had done my police check in the UK as this is the place I had been living for the past 11 years. The FMS office said they would call Moscow to find out about this problem. I came back the next day and they forgot about this but asked about my working in the Middle east and if I had residency there! I told them that I only work there. They accepted my documents and told me that I should get my TRP in August but not holding my breath.