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Polia Ivanova
22-09-2004, 16:20
Don’t get me wrong – at the time relatives of those kidnapped in Iraq are desperate to make all possible for them to be alive, I don’t want to sound cynical.

But why did they go there?

What will be your pay check figure offered to take the job?

legspreader
22-09-2004, 16:26
2 to 3 times more at a min. to what they would be making back home......

Kingwillhe
22-09-2004, 17:01
From the RCS Corporation-Iraq...back when I was still interested.

LENGTH OF ASSIGNMENTS:
Assignments are 6 months-1 year in duration. Candidates do have the option to leave.

COMPENSATION:

• In addition to the base salary offered, you will be receive foreign
premium uplifts amounting to 100% of your base pay.
• The premiums will be applied to your pay once in-country.
• 65% of the premiums will be applied to your base salary and direct deposited into your bank account.
• The remaining 35% foreign service bonus will be applied once you are in-country and be paid to you in a hard check after completing 75 days in-country.
• After 75 days in-country, the 35% foreign service bonus will be applied to your base salary with the other premiums and direct deposited to your bank account.

Uplift Details
The uplift consists of:
• 15% foreign-service premium
• 25% hardship premium
• 25% special area premium
• *35% service bonus subject to the 75-day minimum service requirement (you must work 75 days to receive this service bonus, it is retro-active to the first day of employment)
Total uplift is 100% of base salary

Taxes on Premium Uplifts
• The client will reimburse you for the Federal and FICA tax liability
on the premium uplift amounts at the time you file your income taxes for
2004.

Taxable Per Diem and Taxes on Per Diem
• The client is currently providing housing and meals and
paying a $50/day per diem. Under this arrangement, the per diem is treated as ordinary income; therefore, it is taxable. Again, the client will
reimburse you for the Federal and FICA tax liability on the per diem
payments. The current per diem policy is under senior management review and is subject to revision at any time.

Overseas Taxes
The client will pay overseas taxes if required.

Compensation Paid on a Salary Basis
The compensation package is consistent with foreign assignments; there is no overtime paid. All hours worked are considered regular hours and compensated on a salary basis. There is no overtime paid. You will be paid the same salary if you work 40 hours or 60 hours in a week. (Remember, you will be paid a 100% uplift and your federal and FICA taxes will be reimbursed).

Paychecks
Paychecks are directly deposited into a bank account of the employee’s choice. Per Diem checks are sent to the camps where they can be cashed.

BENEFITS:
All new employees are eligible for the client’s benefits package which includes medical and dental insurance, disability and life insurance. While in Iraq the employees will receive medical care on a military base.

TRIPS HOME:

R & R is earned following 75 days of service in country. R & R duration is 10 days plus 4 days allowed for travel. All time is at full regular pay plus premium uplifts. As discussed, employees are required to use 3 vacation days against the 4 travel days. The client will pay the round trip airfare from Baghdad to your point-of-hire at either coach or economy cl**** whichever is available.Tickets are issued to the employee and are not transferable to a family member. The client handles the travel arrangements for employees.

SECURITY:

There is a private security force to protect our employees. There are 2 security companies. These companies employ armed Iraqi nationals. Employees are not issued and/or not allowed to carry weapons. The US military is not responsible for civilian worker security. In case of an emergency medical or other evacuation, International SOS will be used.

TRAINING:

Before leaving for Iraq, employees will receive a physical examination, vaccinations, and security training in the United States.

All employees receive two days of orientation. In some instances, employees are scheduled to work in the training location for 1-2 weeks prior to deployment. In the majority of instances, employees are deployed to Iraq following the two days of orientation.

While in orientation, employees are issued personal protective equipment (PPE) consisting of a kevlar vest, kevlar helmet and gas mask. This equipment is packed in a container and shipped to Amman, Jordan where the employee can reclaim the equipment.

LIVING CONDITIONS:

The housing for employees is provided. Some housing consists of military barracks while some housing consists of “man camps” with a secured parameter. Military barracks seems self-explanatory. Military barracks typically have large sleeping bays with common bathroom arrangements. “Man Camp” housing consists of mobile trailer units with a common, shared bathroom in the center of the trailer with individual sleeping rooms on each side of the bathroom. In all cases, the housing arrangements are basic arrangements.

FOOD:
Meals are taken in the mess hall at military bases and/or catered at a mess hall in the secured man camps.

WORKING CONDITIONS:

Normal working conditions are 6-7 days a week and 10-12 hours per day. The work schedule will be determined by the Project Manager. Working conditions are challenging and in a hostile environment. Armed guards escort employees to and from work and stand guard during working hours.

MISCELLANEOUS INFORMATION:

• Employees are given laptop computers.
• Employees receive a Common Access Card that provides access to military
bases and the services available there.
• Employees will travel from Amman, Jordan to Iraq by either an air shuttle or in automobiles with armed guards.
• The attrition rate is very low.
• Employees should bring both winter and summer clothes.
• Employees can buy personnel goods at the military bases but should bring with them as they are often in scarce supply.
• The mail service takes 2-4 weeks from the United States.

INFORMATION NEEDED TO SUBMIT

a. Citizenship - Are you a US Citizen?
b. Passport Status - Do you have a valid passport? What is the expiration date?
c. What is your availability? Immediately? 2 Weeks?
d. Please list your overseas experience.
e. What base salary are you looking for? Please provide a yearly base salary. (You may provide a range if you are not comfortable giving an exact amount; also, please note the Compensation section in the attached Information Sheet.)
f. Have you ever been convicted of a felony?

Polia Ivanova
23-09-2004, 00:03
Originally posted by Kingwillhe


BENEFITS:
All new employees are eligible for the client’s benefits package which includes medical and dental insurance, disability and life insurance. While in Iraq the employees will receive medical care on a military base.



I would be surprised if insurance companies are actually paying. What are the terms and premiums I wonder?
I bet 100 grand is a cool salary in the States. So is 200 grand+benefits OK as a the pricetag on your head?
...sorry, I shouldn't have been born an accountant...

legspreader
23-09-2004, 00:09
if you think $100k is a normal wage in the us you are sadly mistaken

Polia Ivanova
23-09-2004, 00:20
Originally posted by legspreader
if you think $100k is a normal wage in the us you are sadly mistaken

If they look for specialists with overseas experience who are ready to risk their lives. It was just a scaling point, really. Cannot understand this anyway. I was crying back in 1998 when three Britons and one New Zealander were beheaded in Chechnya and I thought for them it was just Western propaganda trick (go and help a country fighting for freedom).
But these guys knew it is bloody dangerous - why?

legspreader
23-09-2004, 00:32
well to someone make $30k in the states $100k looks pretty good and the way people look at dangerous situations is that it wont happen to me....

Polia Ivanova
23-09-2004, 01:34
Originally posted by Kingwillhe
• The attrition rate is very low.
right, my eye

geofizz56
23-09-2004, 04:25
You'd be surprised how many people are jumping at the chance to go to Iraq. The last time I went for medical clearance at our US headquarters, they had just finished processing three busloads of prospective truck-drivers. By all accounts, that's the highest-risk group out there, and these guys all knew that. Some had been unemployed for awhile, others had kids in college and they needed the money. A few were adrenaline junkies, but the company tries to screen those out.

I verified that my company would pay off in the case of terrorist attacks, which you have to admit could happen in Moscow, too. Standard policies won't, but big companies self-insure against that sort of thing.

I would not go myself, but I can understand why people do.

yankee@moscow
23-09-2004, 07:59
My company has a $2.3 billion contract there. They had no trouble staffing the job, but we've been there since a couple months after the invasion and have had "zero" injuries or deaths. The security is astounding, and the pay is excellent. Life for the workers just absolutely sucks though. My friends that are there say that it's like a prison most of the time, but when they do get out on the streets they are happy to return to their prison environment. It keeps the criminals out!

Maine Surfer
23-09-2004, 08:58
Back in the States I met a couple welders who were being contracted by Haliburton. The guys would make something $600 a day or so, working for 10 straight days with 1 days off, required to wear custom made buletproof vest at all time, 6 months contract. They were from South, so they found that opportunity as God sent.

M-C
23-09-2004, 09:13
Joining the army is still common in most countries even though it's dangerous and the avantages in terms of salary, holidays and accommodation aren't comparable to those Kingwillhe just described AND they are expected to fight, so all things taken into consideration, going to Irak could seem like a very attractive deal...

sfjohns67
23-09-2004, 09:21
Except that in the army, you're allowed to carry something with which you can shoot back at the bastards. Re-check the fine print in Kingw's contract.

J.D.
23-09-2004, 10:19
I know some guys who are going to do security there.
$2,000 a day. 6 month contract.

M-C
23-09-2004, 10:20
I can see your point too...

Maine Surfer
23-09-2004, 11:38
Originally posted by J.D.
I know some guys who are going to do security there.
$2,000 a day. 6 month contract.

On average, one car blows up in Iraq a day. Blasts are aimed at Iraqi police and security force.

Is 2K a day worth it? How much money you'll make before you die 16K, 26K?

Blaked
23-09-2004, 21:04
You also have to figure that not everyone is rational. If someone's family expects him to make 6 figures and he's been unemployed for over a year, he might consider a quasi-suicidal job out of a desire for pity. I wouldn't take a job like that - 2k a day? It would take an Iraqi sniper all of 5 seconds to aim at my dirty blonde head.

legspreader
24-09-2004, 09:49
correct me if im wrong but 'security' at $2k a day is a polite way to say merc as the vast majority if not all are ex military. this being the case they have a much better picture/understanding of the risk reward ratio. than any of us trying to rationalize why anyone would do it. ie getting paid x as an inlisted soldier or $2k a day as a contractor working a security detail for a multinational.