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Dr. Bukakke
01-09-2004, 11:06
What should one avoid?

ife
01-09-2004, 11:21
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/09/01/school.shtml

Halyavshik
01-09-2004, 11:37
Bukkake,

With all due respect, you can't avoid anything. You can sit at home trying to avoid public places and metro stations only to have one of the targeted planes fall on your building.

You only succeed in succumbing to their goal of sowing fear and shifting the tide of public opinion by avoiding or guessing where the next strike will be.

It's a cliche, but you can't avoid death. Terror has always existed, it always will. Live your life the way you would. Sooner or later it will be your time, and when it is, you should be able to say you enjoyed the ride.

moscowmail
01-09-2004, 11:46
AH, you are mostly right; however, there are ways to make it less likely.

Terrorists tend to hit targets that are likely to be the highest profile, this weekends coming show at Borodino (if that is the way it you spell it ) is a prime example, a show about a famous battle, mostly Russians attending..... God knows we hope these people will stop, but think about where you are going, the possibility of something happening.

AH is also right, we can't let them scare us ....

My company is the General contractor for the construction of "a major Airport here in Moscow, we have made many suggestions, for last 18 months or so, about equipment that can 'sniff' various types of explosives within 10 meters, not that expensive, easy to manage, fairly accurate.

Problem, well usual I am afraid, they are not required by law.

Also dealing with terrorist prevention, again, not as difficult as it sounds, but that is another thread I think.

You may think who the hell am I to say this, don't blame ya, but I was involved with anti-terrorism in Northern Ireland, Afghanistan, Libya, Israel and a few other lower targeted enviroments, so I know a little bit I suppose.

Idiot Amin
01-09-2004, 11:48
MM, I respect your experience and information, but the problem is that the terrorists KNOW that people expect them to hit Borodino and for that matter Den Gorod. Security will be tight and attendance will be low.

Therefore, the chance is very great that they will pick lower profile targets where they are absolutely not expected. Rizhskaya metro does not seem like all that high profile a target; the stores and appliance rynok are popular but it is not a major hangout of any sort.

So, the answer is to go about your life, but to be very alert for suspicious looking people, abandoned packages, etc.

P.I.M.P.
01-09-2004, 11:56
Agreed. I guess there are some precautions you can take though. I was looking to buy an apartment in the Triumph Palace tower being built by metro Sokol. I was then told by a risk specialist that it would be a prime terrorist target once it is fully occupied. Imagine any weekday night around 8pm… the place could easily have more than 5000+ residents. As a civilian target, there’d be little security to prevent a van or two from driving up to the foundations of the building or into the underground parking area. It made me think twice about it and instead purchase an apartment in a much smaller building.

I don’t consider this being paranoid, but a simple preventative measure which could decrease your risk of being a victim considerably.

clemens_cis
01-09-2004, 11:57
Originally posted by Dr. Bukakke
What should one avoid?


Moscow
Russia
Spain
Irak
Afganistan
Kenia
USA
UK
Germany
Italy
Poland

Airplans
Trains
Metro
Buses


..... well i think you can add a endless list.

I feel like it is really enough now, but still i am not afraid. The day i am afraid i say "good bye".

sir Gay
01-09-2004, 16:46
Originally posted by Dr. Bukakke
What should one avoid?

one should always avoid sin to be always ready to see his or her creator...

Idiot Amin
01-09-2004, 16:50
1. Leviticus 18:22-23 ";You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination"

2. Leviticus 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them."


Now, stop ruining threads.

polly
01-09-2004, 16:55
out of context, that first quote means het women are goin' to hell, too...
gotta love the Good Book and all the many ways you can use it against others...

Idiot Amin
01-09-2004, 16:57
LOL - never thought of it that way and I can't recall the original Hebrew text - if I find it I'll check it out and see if it is as subject to such interpretation as is the poor translation which I posted.

Needless to say, my posting it does not mean that I agree with it. After all, I would also be bound by a number of dietary restrictions that are also found in Leviticus. Meanwhile, I had about a half a kilo of pork for dinner last night ;)!

polly
01-09-2004, 16:58
Don't worry. God just told me it's OK.

Idiot Amin
01-09-2004, 17:00
She did :) :) ?

Halyavshik
01-09-2004, 17:01
Originally posted by TwoTonne Indignity
LOL - never thought of it that way and I can't recall the original Hebrew text - if I find it I'll check it out and see if it is as subject to such interpretation as is the poor translation which I posted.

If I'm not mistaken, it's 'arenokeetah' (Aramaic, not Hebrew), and it's actual translation is male-shared bed. It was a common practice during Roman-Greco times.

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Leviticus also forbid men to shave their beards and wear mixed-textile fabric. He also condones slavery.

While I agree that polyester should be outlawed, the bible is NOT a good place to search for modern moral arguments.

Idiot Amin
01-09-2004, 17:06
No, the original text of Leviticus is pure Hebrew and does not contain that word; I can remember parts of it but not the whole. That much I do remember. And I posted it as an IMMORAL argument ;).

Idiot Amin
01-09-2004, 17:07
LOL re polyester - the prohibition is sha'atnez which is wool and linen. No polyester back then - they had some sort of fashion sense in the desert (or wherever the book was actually written)!

sir Gay
01-09-2004, 17:09
Originally posted by TwoTonne Indignity
1. Leviticus 18:22-23 ";You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination"

2. Leviticus 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them."


Now, stop ruining threads.

it's also said "thou shalt not sleep with animals" - so, are you going to die childless?

Ned Kelly
01-09-2004, 17:10
Originally posted by Amanda Huggenkiss
wear mixed-textile fabric.

i was told it was a sin to wear my chord jacket - but i thought that was because it was bone ugly!

polly
01-09-2004, 17:11
i think it was Jeebus HC who got his aramaic on. leviticus is OT, right? so it would be hebrew. i think.

Halyavshik
01-09-2004, 17:14
Originally posted by TwoTonne Indignity
No, the original text of Leviticus is pure Hebrew and does not contain that word; I can remember parts of it but not the whole. That much I do remember. And I posted it as an IMMORAL argument ;).

I'm sorry. You're right. Arsenokeetah is from Corinthians and Timothy. My mistake.

Nevertheless, Leviticus' holy code also endorses polygamy and tattoos. Tattoos I can understand. But, polygamy ? :)

polly
01-09-2004, 17:17
so that's how the mormons get away with it!

Idiot Amin
01-09-2004, 17:18
Oh, I can understand polygamy ;) (which was simply the way of the world at that time).

sfjohns67
01-09-2004, 17:19
Originally posted by Amanda Huggenkiss
Nevertheless, Leviticus' holy code also endorses polygamy and tattoos. Tattoos I can understand. You say the sweetest things...

sir Gay
01-09-2004, 17:22
THE GOOD BOOK

On her radio show recently, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant
Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22,
and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an
open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the
Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:


Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law.

I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge
with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual
lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly
states it to be an abomination. ... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of
God's Law and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They
claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned > in Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I
tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring > > > nations. A
friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but > > > not
Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2.
The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if > I have a
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27.
How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of
getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we
just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people
who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable
expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,

James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus Dept. of Curriculum,
Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia

sir Gay
01-09-2004, 17:31
Originally posted by polly
so that's how the mormons get away with it!

ummmm, mormons...:) i used to be one ;) actually, i'm still on their lists - the excommunication process is so long and complicated...:D