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HAYATI
12-11-2008, 19:26
I'm afraid I'm a bit lost concerning paying taxes in Russia and I need your help.

My personal situation is as follows:

It is very likely I'll start working in Moscow next January 09 for a period of between 6 months and one year (I'll spend more than 183 days in Russia during a period of 12 consecutive months).

I will apply for a work permit/visa (I don't think I'll have to apply for a TRP if I plan to stay in Russia less than a year). Is that correct?

Do you think I can easily get a tax resident certificate from the Russian tax authorities, for the purposes of the Double Tax Treaty (in my case signed between Spain-Russia)?.

Does the fact of being a holder of a work permit/visa mean I cannot be considered as a "tax resident" if I don't get a TRP?.

Your help will be very much appreciated!

pullar
13-11-2008, 21:59
Anyone is tax resident in Russia if they are present on what the Russian insist on calling 'the Territory of the Russian Federation' for more than 183 days in a tax year, which is the same as the calendar year. There is no reason on earth for getting a temporary residence permit unless you want to, which would presumably only be for you convenience. The tax authorities aren't bothered one way or the other. Note that if you always visit Russia on the basis of a visa, of whatever kind, you are never ordinarily resident in the Russian Federation, only tax resident.

cupcake
14-11-2008, 09:32
Actually, as I have recently found out, the 183 days is not per calendar or tax year, but simply 183 days in the year following the date the counting begins. So, if you arrive here on 1 June, then 1 June is the start of the 12 month period during which you have to be present for 183 days. So in that example, you could stay for a short period, then leave and return several months later and still qualify provided the total number of days in country was 183.

For counting purposes, arrival and departure days count as 1/2 a day each.

BUell_X1
08-04-2009, 18:50
"Actually, as I have recently found out, the 183 days is not per calendar or tax year, but simply 183 days in the year following the date the counting begins. So, if you arrive here on 1 June, then 1 June is the start of the 12 month period during which you have to be present for 183 days. So in that example, you could stay for a short period, then leave and return several months later and still qualify provided the total number of days in country was 183.

For counting purposes, arrival and departure days count as 1/2 a day each."

Hi,

Please could you forward me the link of this information, I am looking for it.

Also to give you an idea of my experience, before you go you must make sure that the company which is requesting your arrival has already the authorization to take a foreigner, if this is not the case you are in big trouble as it takes 5 to 8 Months to get that document if no errors are committed when preparing the paper work and their is also quotas on the job title. Once they have this document you will receive your work permit within 30 days.

Also the tax system in Russian says that until, you are a resident (183 days in Russia) you should pay 30% taxes for a non resident instead of the 13% for a resident. Once you become a resident then, you should be able to get the 27% extras that you gave, but to be honest I wish you good luck to try to claim that money back.

Cheers,

Alex

kebab
09-04-2009, 10:02
No problem getting your tax back as your employer is obliged by law to return the money. The only thing you will need to do is provide photocopies of your passport to prove you have been in the country for 183 days, and write a Zayavleniye requesting the tax return. You should hand both to your employer

NRH
17-04-2009, 10:03
Anyone know if there's a phone number to contact tax department direct?

Just my employers said I'd get my tax back in Feb, then that became March, then they said April. Now they say they have no idea when, and won't give me any information about anything.

Makes me suspicious that my money might be sat in someone's account somewhere making interest. Would be nice to contact authorities direct and find out what's happening.

kebab
17-04-2009, 14:47
It is your employer who should sort it out not the tax office. Their reluctance to pay may mean they actually haven't paid it. I would ask them for your spravka o dokhode for the year in question and tell them you will be contacting the tax office directly via an accountant that might shift them.

NRH
17-04-2009, 15:40
Does that mean I could get an accountant to do all this instead of my employer?

If so, then if anyone knows of a good English-speaking accountant please let me know - because this is what I will do next year.

Just spoke to my employers - all I got was shrugged shoulders. They said there there was a 'problem with the computers' at the tax department (where have i heard that before!!!) - and said they had no phone number I could contact tax people on.(oh really)

When you're waiting on two years worth of tax, it's just a load of Russian nonsense really. Don't want to go through this again. There must be an easier way. Would be quite happy to pay next time, just to have some idea of what's going on.

Accountants, where are you?

kebab
20-04-2009, 07:55
Ask your finance department for a copy of your spravka o dokhode and NDFL-1 and then you can go to an accountant or the tax office, but it will be a test if work don't provide you with the documentation then you will need to talk to a specialist but you could be left out of pocket.
One thing is sure there is no way the tax office's computer has broken. you need to be assertive and I would suggest you get a Russian speaker to phone your finance department before you do anything.
They are running rings round you.

NotAnAngel
21-04-2009, 17:02
The problem is that tax year starts on 1 Jenuary, ends on 31 December.
And they still consider the quanttity of days spent in Russia during tax year to be not less than 183.
e.g. you arrive here on 1 June 2008 and, for example, leave 1 November 2008, then come back on 1 January 2009 and live here till 1 August 2009.
You aren't tax reident in 2008 (as you only 153 days here and thus pay 30% tax). In January you also pay 30% tax. You only are tax resident from February 1, 2009.
Company exactly won't do any refund early than July (because if you don't spend at least 183 days in 2009, your tax status changes again and they'll have to pay a fine).
Moreover, here you only can expect a refund for January 2009. Forget about 2008!
Besides company can't make a refund by simply paying you their own money. They have two options: some pay a salary and don't dedact income tax from it (well it looks like that way, they reckon that sum from overpayment)
If the sum is too big to refund it that way, they only can apply to tax dep. to get a refund on the account. They only can do that not early than the tax year ends and they send 2-NDFL to tax dep. (which they should do till 1 April 2009). Don't expect tax dep. to do anything early, than 1 month after they do that!
:rules:

P.s. Tax dep has direct phne number, of course, but they rarely answer. If they do the only they say is asking you to come there:groan:


"Actually, as I have recently found out, the 183 days is not per calendar or tax year, but simply 183 days in the year following the date the counting begins. So, if you arrive here on 1 June, then 1 June is the start of the 12 month period during which you have to be present for 183 days. So in that example, you could stay for a short period, then leave and return several months later and still qualify provided the total number of days in country was 183.

For counting purposes, arrival and departure days count as 1/2 a day each."

Hi,

Please could you forward me the link of this information, I am looking for it.

Also to give you an idea of my experience, before you go you must make sure that the company which is requesting your arrival has already the authorization to take a foreigner, if this is not the case you are in big trouble as it takes 5 to 8 Months to get that document if no errors are committed when preparing the paper work and their is also quotas on the job title. Once they have this document you will receive your work permit within 30 days.

Also the tax system in Russian says that until, you are a resident (183 days in Russia) you should pay 30% taxes for a non resident instead of the 13% for a resident. Once you become a resident then, you should be able to get the 27% extras that you gave, but to be honest I wish you good luck to try to claim that money back.

Cheers,

Alex