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Sidney Bliss
29-10-2008, 19:03
There's surely no way back for Obama after this.


US elections: Joe the plumber backs John McCain | World news | guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/29/uselections2008-barackobama)

Len Ganley Stance
29-10-2008, 19:25
Here's a catchy little number from Jonathan Coulton -

YouTube- The presidents by Jonathan Coulton

DDT
29-10-2008, 23:01
I fail to see why McCain has chosen this route. Joe the Plumber will do more damage than good, i would think. He is not very articulate and makes a good target for the Left. McCain needs NEW supporters. Joe the Plumber preaches to the already converted.

If I was McCain I would not have sat silent on Obama's communist mentor, Davis and would have hammered him on all of his whacky friends connecting him to The Black Panthers, Weathermen, Communism the PLO. I would have hit Obama on the DNC going to court in order to prevent the public from finding out about Obamas past. Altogether, showing a pattern that would have taken a few points of Obama's lead in the polls.

Republicans don't understand Democrats. You can't play nice with them!

Sidney Bliss
30-10-2008, 09:47
Some wag on a blog somewhere pointed out that McCain and Palin are going to need Joe the plumber's services once the election is over .. by which time they'll have clogged up the toilet with their political careers.

Gypsy
30-10-2008, 10:03
I fail to see why McCain has chosen this route. Joe the Plumber will do more damage than good, i would think. He is not very articulate and makes a good target for the Left. McCain needs NEW supporters. Joe the Plumber preaches to the already converted.

If I was McCain I would not have sat silent on Obama's communist mentor, Davis and would have hammered him on all of his whacky friends connecting him to The Black Panthers, Weathermen, Communism the PLO. I would have hit Obama on the DNC going to court in order to prevent the public from finding out about Obamas past. Altogether, showing a pattern that would have taken a few points of Obama's lead in the polls.

Republicans don't understand Democrats. You can't play nice with them!
What complete, total arrant hypocrisy!

You advocate a campaign of nothing but lies and smear and then say "democrats,you can't play nice with them".

The dishonesty is absolutely breathtaking.

McCain has fought the dirtiest,most dishonest, negative campaign I can remember, and is losing.Suck it up. Your turn to screw the world will come round again.

In the meantime we might get someone in the White House with compassion and above all INTELLIGENCE. God knows we need it.

Adamodeus
30-10-2008, 10:06
He is not very articulate and makes a good target for the Left. McCain needs NEW supporters. Joe the Plumber preaches to the already converted. Republicans don't understand Democrats. You can't play nice with them!
So whatever happened to your conspiracy theory, my good man? Just five days ago on another thread you claimed that Joe the Plumber had been merely the creation of Obama's camp?

Who was Joe The Freaking Plumber?
He was Obama Boys' "big surprise"!
Obama was out talking to the good people of Americasville one day, and getting all these "soft," "suck up" questions from them....that is until Plumber Boy comes along and corners B.O. on some "tough" issues with some pertinent questions. It's quite funny really, when you think about it!
Obama's boys have really outdone themselves this time! Now they have Joe giving his vote to McCain so that "he does more harm than good" to McCain's campaign! Only the Anti-Christ could be this cunning! :nut:

You'll just make up anything, won't you?

Carbo
30-10-2008, 10:57
So whatever happened to your conspiracy theory, my good man? Just five days ago on another thread you claimed that Joe the Plumber had been merely the creation of Obama's camp?

Obama's boys have really outdone themselves this time! Now they have Joe giving his vote to McCain so that "he does more harm than good" to McCain's campaign! Only the Anti-Christ could be this cunning! :nut:

You'll just make up anything, won't you?
Yeah, like OBama having connections to the PLO and communism. Yeah, right.

Had several clandestine meetings with Martin Boreman in Paraguay last year, did Obama.

Gypsy
30-10-2008, 11:14
Yeah, like OBama having connections to the PLO and communism. Yeah, right.

Had several clandestine meetings with Martin Boreman in Paraguay last year, did Obama.
He did!

I was there.

Well when I say "there" I don't mean "there" so much, more "I would have been there if I could", well OK it was reported on www.wehateintelligence.com and they wouldn't lie.

DDT
30-10-2008, 11:26
So whatever happened to your conspiracy theory, my good man? Just five days ago on another thread you claimed that Joe the Plumber had been merely the creation of Obama's camp?

Obama's boys have really outdone themselves this time! Now they have Joe giving his vote to McCain so that "he does more harm than good" to McCain's campaign! Only the Anti-Christ could be this cunning! :nut:

You'll just make up anything, won't you?
Nope! Never said that, Said he was surprize for B.O.!

Well the polls are tightening up and it's neck and neck. Obama'a Commie roots are being talked about, and there is a video of him at the LA Times of him chumming it up with the PLO and saying Israel is full of baddies and people are beginning to realise he's a fraud.

Sidney Bliss
30-10-2008, 11:32
Well the polls are tightening up and it's neck and neck... and people are beginning to realise he's a fraud.

Brilliant!

DDT
30-10-2008, 11:45
Yeah, like OBama having connections to the PLO and communism. Yeah, right.

Had several clandestine meetings with Martin Boreman in Paraguay last year, did Obama.Why do i have to do all your investigative work for you?

Obama's Mentor, Frank Davis was quite the Commie. This is old news and you should know better. The story is that Khalidi financed Obama through Harvard with money Saudi Prince.


Obama’s Communist Mentor (http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/)
YouTube - Another Obama Mentor Caught Ranting Against Whitey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4DsaWLrJoY&eurl=http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/10/25/obama-and-khalid-al-masour/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H4v_i7bxGA

Carbo
30-10-2008, 12:00
Why do i have to do all your investigative work for you?

Obama's Mentor, Frank Davis was quite the Commie. This is old news and you should know better. The story is that Khalidi financed Obama through Harvard with money Saudi Prince.
First, I can't watch those videos. Second, it's a well known fact that Khalidi has no connection with the PLO. Third, can one not change one's mind? I know I used to believe in much of what my old left wing sociology teacher told me, and now I don't.

What's your point?

DDT
30-10-2008, 12:30
He was an advisor for the PLO and mouthpiece for Arafat.

I'll find you links.

It's no longer about 'changing" Obama has developed a patern. You know, seriously, Obama could not get a job as a cop because of his past.

Carbo
30-10-2008, 12:32
You know, having read one or two articles, it seems that the main charge here is that Obama attended the leaving ceremony of a well known academic that had been employed by several respectable universities, and had criticised Israel.

The temerity! How dare he criticise Israel. How dare he.

DDT
30-10-2008, 13:16
You know, having read one or two articles, it seems that the main charge here is that Obama attended the leaving ceremony of a well known academic that had been employed by several respectable universities, and had criticised Israel.

The temerity! How dare he criticise Israel. How dare he.

Well, i understand that some of you here will think that it is a big plus if Obama has many ties to people who hate Israel but that doesn't mean that the average American wants that in a president, especially if Obama is being deceptive about it. If the truth gets out about Obama, he will lose.

The charge is that Khalid was too close to groups on the terrorist list. One group he worked for (and his wife too) was the PLO. The PLO was considered a terrorist group by most countries at the time.
Obama has a few too many of these....He knows it. That's why he downplays it. But we catch him every time, and it always turns out that there is much more to the stories, but the mainstream media is reluctant to report it!

National Review Online (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDFkMGE2MmM1M2Q5MmY0ZmExMzUxMWRhZGJmMTAyOGY=)

GET US THE TAPE THE L.A. TIMES REFUSES TO RELEASE, AND WE'LL GIVE YOU CASH! (http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1008/video_bounty.php3)

Another Radical -- Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour Sponsored Barack Obama Into Harvard Law School | The Minority Report (http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/hinzsight_story/david_hinz/2008/09/05/another_radical_khalid_abdullah_tariq_al_mansour_sponsored_barack_obama_into_harvard_law_s)

Newsmax.com – Obama’s Harvard Years: Questions Swirl (http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_harvard_/2008/09/23/133199.html)

An interesting view on a blog I just found. I'm going to surf it later
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Why Obama is Mum about Harvard (http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/why_obama_is_mum.htm)

Carbo
30-10-2008, 13:28
Well, i understand that some of you here will think that it is a big plus if Obama has many ties to people who hate Israel but that doesn't mean that the average American wants that in a president, especially if Obama is being deceptive about it. If the truth gets out about Obama, he will lose.

The charge is that Khalid was too close to groups on the terrorist list. One group he worked for (and his wife too) was the PLO. The PLO was considered a terrorist group by most countries at the time.
Obama has a few too many of these....He knows it. That's why he downplays it. But we catch him every time, and it always turns out that there is much more to the stories, but the mainstream media is reluctant to report it!

National Review Online (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDFkMGE2MmM1M2Q5MmY0ZmExMzUxMWRhZGJmMTAyOGY=)

GET US THE TAPE THE L.A. TIMES REFUSES TO RELEASE, AND WE'LL GIVE YOU CASH! (http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1008/video_bounty.php3)

Another Radical -- Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour Sponsored Barack Obama Into Harvard Law School | The Minority Report (http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/hinzsight_story/david_hinz/2008/09/05/another_radical_khalid_abdullah_tariq_al_mansour_sponsored_barack_obama_into_harvard_law_s)

Newsmax.com – Obama’s Harvard Years: Questions Swirl (http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_harvard_/2008/09/23/133199.html)

An interesting view on a blog I just found. I'm going to surf it later
.
Why Obama is Mum about Harvard (http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/why_obama_is_mum.htm)
But there is nothing anywhere that Khalidi worked for the PLO. Can't find it. Just suggestions and accusations.

It's simply slander.

the guy doesn't like Israel's occupation of Palastinian territory, so what? He knew Obama, so what?

So, let me get this straight, my girlfriend's father prefered life under communism, doesn't think that capitalism is right, and thinks Hugo Chavez is wonderful. I have had lots of coversations with this man. I like him. I love him. I've lived in Russia.

Should that preclude me from running for office? Am I a socialist?

We all know people we disagree with. George W Bush's grandfather was a facscist who tried to overthrow FDR. So what? Doesn't mean Dubya is.

Adamodeus
30-10-2008, 20:25
And while we're on the subject, DDT, why do you keep insisting that Obama's grandmother is the most reliable source?

DDT
30-10-2008, 21:19
The financial relationship, that I mentioned earlier, between Khalidi and Obama is important because it points to their relationship not just being social and intellectual but having a deeper base, that they are people who are working together towards the same end.

Khalidi was a director of the official PLO press agency WAFA in Beirut from 1976 to 1982 at a time when the U.S. State Department considered the PLO a terrorist organization. His wife also helped the PLO as a translator.
Obama and Khalidi - Another Chicago Connection: Former Spokesman for Yasser Arafat's PLO (http://us-elections.suite101.com/article.cfm/obama_and_khalidi_another_chicago_connection)

More on Rashid Khalidi and the Risks for Obama : NO QUARTER (http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/18/more-on-rashid-khalidi-and-the-risks-for-obama/)

Columbia U's Radical Middle East Faculty - Campus Watch (http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/590)