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Korotky Gennady
26-09-2008, 03:24
Ukrain Paintings of the years of WW 2

Korotky Gennady
26-09-2008, 03:27
... These picas inspired the ukrainian soldiers in the rows of NAZI army. Many of them served in the division SS wich called "Galichina".

Korotky Gennady
26-09-2008, 03:32
Now some of the ukrainian soldiers served in the rows of the american army in Iraq.

Albertina
27-09-2008, 13:35
Ukrainian kossacs fought till the end against the Russian Socialist Revolution in 1917-20s. Unfortunately Germans left them on their own in the end and they had to give Ukraine to the Russian Leninist Socialist Imperialistic Revolutional Proletararian Invaders! Who subsequently robbed Ukrainian farmers, moved Ukrainians to Siberia and caused a COLOSSAL HUNGER of 1930-32 where MILLIONS of UKRAINIANS DIED OF HUNGER IN THE RICHEST SOIL OF EUROPE.

For God's sake, after THAT RAPE OF UKRAINE BY RUSSIANS I'd go fight with Germans against Russians!

Therefore I tell you, I SPIT ON YOUR PHOTOS and on YOUR POST!

Albertina
27-09-2008, 13:46
To take something out of the context, without historical facts, without any analysis, but just some pictures which can be produced by photoshop in no time; to take something from 60 years ago and compare it with Iraq -?! Without actually facts?!

You have to have your head examined, as well as your Imperialistic Nationalistic narrow-minded view of the world.

And, a quick cultural lesson, it's Ukraine, with 'e' at the end. Maybe you can take an effort to learn the spelling of the country you are trying to 'evaluate'.

Zhenulka
27-09-2008, 13:54
:eh: What does this all have to do with art and culture?

Korotky Gennady
27-09-2008, 15:45
:eh: What does this all have to do with art and culture?It all has the direct relation with culture becoz the culture doesn't exist separatelly from the society and social and political problems.

Korotky Gennady
27-09-2008, 16:19
Ukrainian kossacs fought till the end against the Russian Socialist Revolution in 1917-20s. Unfortunately Germans left them on their own in the end and they had to give Ukraine to the Russian Leninist Socialist Imperialistic Revolutional Proletararian Invaders! Who subsequently robbed Ukrainian farmers, moved Ukrainians to Siberia and caused a COLOSSAL HUNGER of 1930-32 where MILLIONS of UKRAINIANS DIED OF HUNGER IN THE RICHEST SOIL OF EUROPE.

For God's sake, after THAT RAPE OF UKRAINE BY RUSSIANS I'd go fight with Germans against Russians!

Therefore I tell you, I SPIT ON YOUR PHOTOS and on YOUR POST!Spare your spittle...


You don't know the history absolutly.

I can excuse the ignorance of the americans becoz they didn't study the history of Russia and Ukraine in school but not you.

Korotky Gennady
27-09-2008, 16:27
To take something out of the context, without historical facts, without any analysis, but just some pictures which can be produced by photoshop in no time; to take something from 60 years ago and compare it with Iraq -?! Without actually facts?!

You have to have your head examined, as well as your Imperialistic Nationalistic narrow-minded view of the world.

And, a quick cultural lesson, it's Ukraine, with 'e' at the end. Maybe you can take an effort to learn the spelling of the country you are trying to 'evaluate'.
I'm half ukrainian by the way... My grandfather was born in Vinitsa. And I am anything but not a nationalist.



It's real picas. The Photoshop did nothing with them.

Strider
27-09-2008, 16:47
well, then you should also mention russian general Vlasov, who also was fighting on the german side... do I have to hate russians for this? oops, that looks like a paradox to me

or how should I feel about russian NKDV that was killing russians during the war?

I can't understand why you want to present this as black and white

btw, both of my grandfathers were from Ukraine and they both fought for our country, and one of them was a field medic and saved thousands of people, and he had to be at front lines all the time, he even survived Stalingrad

and now you just post some pictures and tell that Ukranians should be considered enemies? great, I didn't know that my cousins are my enemies now

Strider
27-09-2008, 16:52
there's also a saying that noone did more harm to Russia than Russians themselves

so I don't consider Ukranians who fought on the german side to be heroes, but I do understand that they may have had serious reasons to choose that side

Korotky Gennady
27-09-2008, 17:33
and now you just post some pictures and tell that Ukranians should be considered enemies? now I didn't mean that the ukranians are "enemies". I don't choose my enemies by their nationality.

I meant that just now many many ukranians start to consider the russians as their enemies. The same thing was today in Barac Obama-MacCain debate.

And Albertina is good example of that fact that many people in the world start to consider the russians as their enemies.

Korotky Gennady
27-09-2008, 17:39
well, then you should also mention russian general Vlasov, who also was fighting on the german side...


As much as I know general Vlasov was traitor and he fought on the side of NAZI army against the soviets.

By the decision of Russian Court he was hanged after WW 2 for his betrayal.

Zhenulka
27-09-2008, 18:24
It all has the direct relation with culture becoz the culture doesn't exist separatelly from the society and social and political problems.

Works of art can be inspired by political and social events but real art transcends transient political situations and resonates with the following generations even outside the socio-political context of the period a certain work of art was created in.

What you have posted is no more than badly concocted posters with political propaganda that have no relevance to the modern day, whatsoever. Moreover, using some outdated propaganda crap to generalize about the whole nation in our times more than 60 years later from the events the posters refer to is indeed a bit parochial.

You're a more broad-minded person than this, Gena.

Besides, if you want to spur a political debate you'd better stick to the current affairs section. Don't litter a peaceful and inoffensive subject like art with negative emotions.

Korotky Gennady
28-09-2008, 00:04
Works of art can be inspired by political and social events but real art transcends transient political situations and resonates with the following generations even outside the socio-political context of the period a certain work of art was created in.

What you have posted is no more than badly concocted posters with political propaganda that have no relevance to the modern day, whatsoever. Moreover, using some outdated propaganda crap to generalize about the whole nation in our times more than 60 years later from the events the posters refer to is indeed a bit parochial.

You're a more broad-minded person than this, Gena.





Hmm... I've got your point but I'm deeply sure that you are wrong.

I didn't generalize "about the whole nation". In fact there are no nation at all. In fact "nations" and "nationalities" exist only in mind of some members of the certain societies. And I have nothing against the ukrainians and against any so called "nations".

My first posts were only pieces of art and that's all.

Besides that it is obvious that the creative work of almost every artist is deeply connected to his ( or her ) social life. I can demonstrate a lot of evidences of this my thesis.

And at last I am sure that there is no "high" art and "low" art. There is only one art. And I think that american artist Andy Worhol was the first who understood it. So these posters are not pieces of "low" art and they are not crap at all. They have more expressive force than many contemporary art works do. And they are not so boring as the contemporary art is.