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    MATILDA, the film never to be shown in Russia

    https://yandex.ru/video/search?filmI...95-vla1-1781-V

    it is the story of the future Russian Tsar NicholasIi and the polish ballerina Matilda Kschessinskaya. there was supposed to be also a child out of this affair.
    was supposed to open this week all over Russia. both major cinema chains pulled the movie. they were threatened cinemas will burn and there might be human casualties. cars of cinema owners were burned already. madness..
    Nicholas and his family are now veneered as saints as we all know. so, such a film can not be. The actor who plays Nicholas is a German, there is a video
    on the net, he plays ( or is?) gays and in porno films. this is of course now an absolute no go in Russia...
    Interesting subject, i started clicking around and everyone is there. from the Patriarch Kyrill to the Austrian GenSec of the Suvorov Institute in Austria.

    These people do not seem to understand the power of the Internet these days. now everyone and their dog will check Yandex and wherever to see the film. and people WILL see it. so what is all the fuss about?
    The Tsar had an affair? his wife had,or maybe not. Catherine the Great had, and not only one. anyone cares these days? every royal had one, maybe only Queen Elisabeth had none.

    and after reading through WIKI, she must have been indeed quite a scandalous lady. having an affair not only with the future `tsar, but also the `grand duke. And not knowing who was the father of her son. either one or the other...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathilde_Kschessinska
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    It comes down to the issue of what is really true, Ben.
    Is this movie a revelation of a steamy and sad truth being made for our titillation? Or is it a smear, something not actually true, about a man who later screwed up a lot as king, but made a few right choices at the very end? (and that end is what matters as to whether a person is a saint or not - the "good thief" on the cross was a scumbag until the last hours of his life, and yet those few hours wound up mattering more than all that came before)

    The Taar and his family have been canonized as "passion-bearers" because they stuck to the Faith at the very end. So what is achieved now by making a movie based on speculation and innuendo and treating it as true? Whose purpose is served? It's pretty obvious that it's people that want the smear and the titillation.

    It's because he was canonized. Some people hate that, and hate the institution that canonized him, and will throw any mud that they can, in any way that they can.

    In writing about the political reversals in Spain before Franco, GK Chesterton wrote an interesting piece about what was being reported. And in the summary, he said "...the fundamental truth of the modern world. And that is this: there are no Fascists; there are no Socialists; there are no Liberals; there are no Parliamentarians. There is the one supremely inspiring and irritating institution in the world; and there are its enemies. Its enemies are ready to be for violence or against violence, for liberty or against liberty, for representation or against representation; and even for peace or against peace."

    So yeah, this is another shot by the enemies of the Church at it. They can only see real and imagined evils of hierarchs; and they can't stand the idea that it might still be actually telling the truth, that we all suck, we all really are sinners, rebels that need to repent, change our lives and ways, and will do anything to attack it.

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    Spot on, Rus. The Left's mission is to always smear the Church. They see the Church as a threat to their agenda.

    One might think, judging from the media, that the only people who commit child abuse are priests. But the media censors reality:

    Seattles-gay-mayor-resigns-after-5th-child-rape-allegation
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    [QUOTE=TheInterocitor;1470070]Spot on, Rus. The Left's mission is to always smear the Church. They see the Church as a threat to their agenda.

    One might think, judging from the media, that the only people who commit child abuse are priests. But the media censors reality:


    the cousin was 13 at the time it happened, now he is 54, took him a long time to bring it to light...
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    [QUOTE=Benedikt;1470071]
    Quote Originally Posted by TheInterocitor View Post
    Spot on, Rus. The Left's mission is to always smear the Church. They see the Church as a threat to their agenda.

    One might think, judging from the media, that the only people who commit child abuse are priests. But the media censors reality:
    Quote Originally Posted by TheInterocitor View Post

    the cousin was 13 at the time it happened, now he is 54, took him a long time to bring it to light...
    http://www.wnd.com/2017/07/seattles-...-to-step-down/

    "And now the Seattle Times has uncovered records thought to have been destroyed that bolster the account of one of the three men, Jeff Simpson, who was a foster son to Murray in the early 1980s.

    The Times, which broke the story of the lawsuit in April, reported this week an Oregon child-welfare investigator concluded in 1984 Murray had sexually abused Simpson."


    Looks like Eddie Boy thought the records were in the dumpster, but they weren't.

    What makes this a story the Left ignores is that it is a practicing, proud-to-be homosexual doing the molesting and raping children. The mayor of one of the Left's leading cities.

    By today's standards, millions of people were sexually abused as children. I know some very personally. But sexual abuse as a child does not mean the child is impaired for life. Look at H. Ross Perot, abused as a child, $Billionaire today.

    Most people just bury the incidents, and get on with life. Why would you, if you were a victim, want to talk about it? If you are going to attacked for "false accusation" and under suspicions for being a pervert yourself? To be sure, greedy lawyers pursue clients and $1,000,000 payoffs attacking the Church. This is just a money chase - the Church caves without even fighting back, whether there is evidence or not.

    Now, instead of the city being held responsible, as the Church is, for the actions of its workers, the city will deny responsibility, even though its workers knew of this abuse and allowed it to continue.
    Government is like Fertilizer. A little is good, too much is a pile of crap.

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    I'll reaily admit that people in the Church sin, but point out that people who are serious about the Faith understand that they are sinners. The only difference between them and people outside the Church is that people who really try to practice the Faith, to actually repent of their own sins, have a clearer picture of the fact of their own tendencies toward evil. People who don't engage in that life have little to no counter-balance to our tendency to excuse our own evils.

    Tsar Nikolai being canonized doesn't mean he lived a sinless life by any means. But the whole point of the saint is not that they never sinned, but that they repented more thoroughly than the rest of us. Maybe in the last hours or minutes of life; that's all it takes. But real repentance, turning around and changing your attitude toward life involves actually regretting and hating the kinds of things you used to think were OK or cool to do. And once they repent, their previous sins become largely irrelevant. They are now fighting against what they once approved. St Mary of Egypt is a huge example. She was a prostitute who worked a lot for free for upwards of seventeen years. But when she repented, she took it all the way and became one of the greatest ascetics in Church history. Her nasty early life became unimportant, and what really mattered was that she came to hate it, and turned towards virtue and self-control.

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    FWIW, I think it is stupid to forbid such films, though they shouldn't get public funding, either. If they would have just ignored it, it would have gotten no publicity, and a small number of angry atheists would have gone to watch it, and it would be quickly forgotten. Heavy-handed government actions are usually counter-productive. If they're going to censor anything, it ought to be stuff with pornographic content. But culture is always upstream of politics. If a thing is tolerated in the culture, no law is going to end it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInterocitor View Post
    Spot on, Rus. The Left's mission is to always smear the Church. They see the Church as a threat to their agenda.

    One might think, judging from the media, that the only people who commit child abuse are priests. But the media censors reality:

    Seattles-gay-mayor-resigns-after-5th-child-rape-allegation


    It is only the Catholic Church that is full of gays and pedophiliacs. I am now under the belief that the only reason the Catholic Church was started was to make Christians look bad and to change few small things so it's not really real anymore. Oh and so gay men could hide and get close to young kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rusmeister View Post
    FWIW, I think it is stupid to forbid such films, though they shouldn't get public funding, either. If they would have just ignored it, it would have gotten no publicity, and a small number of angry atheists would have gone to watch it, and it would be quickly forgotten. Heavy-handed government actions are usually counter-productive. If they're going to censor anything, it ought to be stuff with pornographic content. But culture is always upstream of politics. If a thing is tolerated in the culture, no law is going to end it.
    the story about this film is known already since 2 years. or so says my wife. (a Russian and orthodox believer, not just in name). for her the Tsar was just a man, with nothing special good or bad. a man... as she said.
    for 2 years all was quiet. while the film was done. kept many people in work. maybe that was ONE reason to keep quiet. only now when it is time to show the film, the noise begins... by the way the film will be also shown, amongst other places, in Austria in November. with no hype, nothing. just a film about a not yet Tar and his lover.who also was the lover of the grand duke. and she and a son. not knowing who was the father. the one or the other. menage a troix as they said in french language.
    not more scandalous as Catherine the Great who had one soldier or Guardsman after the other.
    nothing worse than John F.Kennedy who had many more lovers besides Marilyn Monroe.
    nothing worse than the French President Pompidou. On his funeral, the wife and his lover of many years were next to each other on the funeral.
    Nothing worse than Price Phillip, Prince Charles of even the /saintly/ Diana. or Bill Clinton. of course / he had no sex with Lewinsky / as he first claimed...
    Why such a fuss all over sudden here, well so be it.
    What these people seem to forget, there is still the Internet. and everyone who wants to see the film will watch it on youtube.
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